Countdown to Global Depression? (Read 14769 times)

Inspector

Re: Countdown to Global Depression?
« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2020, 04:13:14 PM »
This thread was not started to create panic, but to share all available economic and financial related information for people to make their own decisions on how to prepare with regards to the economic and financial fallout from Covid-19.

If one wishes to simply believe in what the government says or what it has in-place to protect them, that is their business.  This thread is for those who want to share and learn, if there is anything outside of that they should know.

FYI.  USA Today has just reported that Hawaii's unemployment rate is the highest in the US and the figure they were using was already outdated, since the Star Advertiser's report I posted yesterday.

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/04/18/hawaii-news/hawaii-has-the-highest-unemployment-rate-in-the-nation-usa-today-reports/?HSA=ebacc6aa049946455017017ee772b4a900c45fe3
Kuleana, I really think you should go back and reread what I wrote. My statements were very clear and should not be interpreted any other way than I intended. In a nutshell I stated that you only presented one side of this and if you really wanted to prepare people and discuss this you should have presented both sides. Not just the one doom and gloom side. I was very clear about this. If you simply would like to believe what the government says then you would believe only the side you are taking. You see, the projections and data you provided ultimately were provided by a government source or made up. Seems like you are believing a government source of some government that may or may not be reliable. Yet you accuse anyone who doesn’t believe in your side of doing the same. Hypocritical in my opinion. Don’t call people out for their beliefs when you are just as guilty.

Now, you just presented a factual statement about Hawaii’s unemployment rate. Great! Let’s discuss that. But don’t forget that number was provided by the government and you seem to criticize the side that doesn’t agree with you by believing a government source. Let’s not make presumptions and accuse here. If you really want to discuss this subject like you claim then quit making statements like that. JMHO
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Inspector

Re: Countdown to Global Depression?
« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2020, 04:15:57 PM »
Do not compare my re-posting of the DOH update on Corona virus in Hawaii to your post.  :wtf:

In my post I neither plagiarize nor insert my personal opinion, hearsay information from "my contacts" , predict the future or question government action.
Exactly. You are providing facts and he provided conjecture. Huge difference.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Heavies

Re: Countdown to Global Depression?
« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2020, 07:57:19 PM »
don't count on that
everyone thinks that Dr Josh "i'm a doctor" green is such a great guy
he's a total socialist...
That might not be able to be stopped, but every other district can offset such a mistake, if cards are played right.

changemyoil66

Re: Countdown to Global Depression?
« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2020, 08:33:38 PM »
And suckers will vote for green and wonder in 8 years, hawaii still messed up.

HSTA supported ige.

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Kuleana

Re: Countdown to Global Depression?
« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2020, 09:44:30 PM »
Kuleana, I really think you should go back and reread what I wrote. My statements were very clear and should not be interpreted any other way than I intended. In a nutshell I stated that you only presented one side of this and if you really wanted to prepare people and discuss this you should have presented both sides. Not just the one doom and gloom side. I was very clear about this. If you simply would like to believe what the government says then you would believe only the side you are taking. You see, the projections and data you provided ultimately were provided by a government source or made up. Seems like you are believing a government source of some government that may or may not be reliable. Yet you accuse anyone who doesn’t believe in your side of doing the same. Hypocritical in my opinion. Don’t call people out for their beliefs when you are just as guilty.

Now, you just presented a factual statement about Hawaii’s unemployment rate. Great! Let’s discuss that. But don’t forget that number was provided by the government and you seem to criticize the side that doesn’t agree with you by believing a government source. Let’s not make presumptions and accuse here. If you really want to discuss this subject like you claim then quit making statements like that. JMHO

Points taken. 

RSN172

Re: Countdown to Global Depression?
« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2020, 10:16:20 PM »
HSTA supported ige.
Ige is thinking how can I get all the stimulus money the state workers just got from Uncle Sam.  I know, cut their pay by 20% and they can use the $1200 for cover the pay cut.  If a state worker makes $40k a year, $1200 will cover a 20% pay cut for almost 8 weeks.  Just enough time to get over this crisis. 
Happily living in Puna

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Countdown to Global Depression?
« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2020, 10:25:29 PM »
The government is just not marketing this pandemic properly.

Instead of a lockdown or shelter in place, they should have announced a

Nationwide Stay-cation!!

Takes some of the worry out of it.   :geekdanc:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aieahound

Re: Countdown to Global Depression?
« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2020, 11:19:18 PM »
Takes some of the worry out of it.   :geekdanc:

Not if I don’t have a paycheck.
  (And FlappDarmokMauidogMoosed you can take that Flapp dance and shove it up your ass.  Acting like this is a light laughable situation for a lot of people is f’d up. Crossed the line in my opinion. And I couldn’t care less about your opinion on my opinion.)

To all the prior posts:

Two sides to the story? What’s the positive side.
I need to know to take some of the worry out of it.

20% unemployment in Hawaii.  Over 200,000 unemployed. No definitive end in sight. Just got extended 2 weeks.
I’m assuming not many of the unemployed claiming benefits are getting retirement Social Security checks.
PPP funds exhausted in the first 3 weeks.

Don’t tell me not to knee jerk and spread propaganda because I haven’t done any of that.

What’s the positive side of the economy and how will it recover in a reasonable time?
I guess we could just keep printing money that’s worth nothing.

End of rant.
« Last Edit: April 18, 2020, 11:40:54 PM by aieahound »

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Countdown to Global Depression?
« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2020, 01:24:11 AM »
Not if I don’t have a paycheck.
  (And FlappDarmokMauidogMoosed you can take that Flapp dance and shove it up your ass.  Acting like this is a light laughable situation for a lot of people is f’d up. Crossed the line in my opinion. And I couldn’t care less about your opinion on my opinion.)

To all the prior posts:

Two sides to the story? What’s the positive side.
I need to know to take some of the worry out of it.

20% unemployment in Hawaii.  Over 200,000 unemployed. No definitive end in sight. Just got extended 2 weeks.
I’m assuming not many of the unemployed claiming benefits are getting retirement Social Security checks.
PPP funds exhausted in the first 3 weeks.

Don’t tell me not to knee jerk and spread propaganda because I haven’t done any of that.

What’s the positive side of the economy and how will it recover in a reasonable time?
I guess we could just keep printing money that’s worth nothing.

End of rant.

Lighten up, Francis!! 

:geekdanc:           :geekdanc:          :geekdanc:           :geekdanc:          :geekdanc:           :geekdanc:          :geekdanc:           :geekdanc:          :geekdanc:           :geekdanc:          :geekdanc:           :geekdanc:         

'Laughter Helps the Brain Relax.'
How Humor Can Combat Coronavirus Anxiety


Quote
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“Had not planned on giving up quite this much for Lent.”

Are we allowed to chuckle yet? We’d better, psychologists and humorists say. Laughter can be
the best medicine, they argue, so long as it’s within the bounds of good taste. And in a crisis, it
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“Even during the Holocaust, people told jokes,” Rhodes said in a telephone interview with The
Associated Press. “Laughter is a symbol of hope, and it becomes one of our greatest needs of
life, right up there with toilet paper. It’s a physical need people have. You can’t underestimate
how it heals people and gives them hope.”

https://time.com/5811041/laughter-humor-coronavirus/

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


 :geekdanc:
« Last Edit: April 19, 2020, 01:48:07 AM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aieahound

Re: Countdown to Global Depression?
« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2020, 02:08:49 AM »
I was hoping you still had me blocked and wouldn’t respond with drivel.
Watched Norm 3 weeks ago. He’s awesome.

As for you, Same old same old.
Divert and attack.
Can’t answer direct question.
Expected.

Hoping some other members can answer.

Two sides to story. What’s the positive side?
No Depression ? Quick rebound ?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Countdown to Global Depression?
« Reply #30 on: April 19, 2020, 02:16:22 AM »
I was hoping you still had me blocked and wouldn’t respond with drivel.
Watched Norm 3 weeks ago. He’s awesome.

As for you, Same old same old.
Divert and attack.
Can’t answer direct question.
Expected.

Hoping some other members can answer.

Two sides to story. What’s the positive side?
No Depression ? Quick rebound ?

What do you call this?

Not if I don’t have a paycheck.
  (And FlappDarmokMauidogMoosed you can take that Flapp dance and shove it up your ass.  Acting like this is a light laughable situation for a lot of people is f’d up. Crossed the line in my opinion. And I couldn’t care less about your opinion on my opinion.)


Yeah.  Not an attack or anything, huh?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aieahound

Re: Countdown to Global Depression?
« Reply #31 on: April 19, 2020, 02:18:46 AM »
Like I said.
Divert and attack.
Can’t answer direct question.
Thanks for proving the point.  :geekdanc:

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Countdown to Global Depression?
« Reply #32 on: April 19, 2020, 02:20:03 AM »
Like I said.
Divert and attack.
Thanks for proving the point.  :geekdanc:

You sound like you need a hug.

Thankfully, there's a rule against you touching us!   :geekdanc:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Countdown to Global Depression?
« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2020, 02:22:58 AM »
Like I said.
Divert and attack.
Thanks for proving the point.  :geekdanc:

"I couldn’t care less about your opinion on my opinion."

So, you don't want me to give an opinion, then you cry like a baby because I don't.

You must have gotten into your SHTF stash of booze.

Go sleep it off.   :sleeping:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aieahound

Re: Countdown to Global Depression?
« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2020, 02:23:24 AM »
"I couldn’t care less about your opinion on my opinion."

So, you don't want me to give an opinion, then you cry like a baby because I don't.

You must have gotten into your SHTF stash of booze.

Go sleep it off.   :sleeping:
We just gonna do this round and round?

Like I said.
Divert and attack.
Can’t answer direct question.
Thanks for proving the point.  :geekdanc:

Can’t think without Google ?

(Hoping you didn’t get into your ex-wife’s stash of pills but wouldn’t surprise me. Ex-wife ? Did your Google stop working? )

Come up with a new schtick !   :geekdanc:
« Last Edit: April 19, 2020, 03:12:52 AM by aieahound »

Inspector

Re: Countdown to Global Depression?
« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2020, 04:22:16 AM »

To all the prior posts:

Two sides to the story? What’s the positive side.
I need to know to take some of the worry out of it.

20% unemployment in Hawaii.  Over 200,000 unemployed. No definitive end in sight. Just got extended 2 weeks.
I’m assuming not many of the unemployed claiming benefits are getting retirement Social Security checks.
PPP funds exhausted in the first 3 weeks.

Don’t tell me not to knee jerk and spread propaganda because I haven’t done any of that.

What’s the positive side of the economy and how will it recover in a reasonable time?
I guess we could just keep printing money that’s worth nothing.

End of rant.
Hound,

There is no one one this board or in the whole US that worries more than me. I am the biggest worry wart anyone has ever seen. Not bragging. Just wondering why I have not died yet of stress. I won’t piss on your leg and tell you its raining. Stole that from Judge Judy. There is definitely room for worry. But as my wife tells me, where does worrying get you? Yeah, it doesn’t help much but it makes sense. Besides, if I show that I am worrying too much, the rest of my family worries too much as well. This is my belief only, but I try to hold it in and together so those in my family won’t worry as much about world economics and so they won’t worry about me. I feel like it is part of my duty as the head of household. I know, old fashioned Boomer here. It’s just the way I am. No need for everyone in the family to worry when I have enough to go around for everyone. Make sense?

With all that said, here is what I see. First, there is a potential for a global recession. As a matter of fact I think it is a slam dunk. But the topic here is a global depression. If you look back just a couple of months ago we were prospering from the greatest economy we have ever had. Speaking strictly about the economy, what has changed? Basically nothing. There was no high inflation, deflation, high interest rates, our companies were all reporting stellar numbers and they were in great shape. What has changed is this pandemic and the emotions/reaction that goes to it. I won’t get into whether we reacted properly or not. What I will say is that all of this is the reaction by our government. And by the fear of doom and gloom by the people. Of which you are one. Not a put down, just an observation from your post. Where has it gotten you? Our government responded to the people crying out for them to do something. They did. They basically shut down our country. They caused the unemployment we see. They caused the recession we will be in. And if they don’t open the economy soon we will end up in a depression. The point of all of this is that the stock market crashed. It went into territory we have not seen in a long time. But it officially came back up and out of that territory last week. It has recovered and has established a bottom and really we are not that far off of our all time high. If it continues the markets are supposed to predict future economic basis and so far it looks pretty good. We still don’t have wild inflation. We still don’t have deflation. Tho we came close at some point. We still don’t have high interest rates. If the economy opened up completely tomorrow like it was before it was closed down, you will start to see mass hiring and a recovery. The problem continues that we cannot open completely all at once. It has to be done slowly. Which will take more time than some think. The good thing is we are not in bad shape, yet. The unemployment rates you see can disappear almost as quickly as they disappeared. Except I think Hawaii won’t see as rapid a recovery as other states. This is due to the tourism industry. It takes time for people to forget the virus and start traveling again. Hawaii will recover. It will just take longer than other states.

I think the point I am trying to make here is that our country is still not in bad shape, everything considered. The potential to be bad and get worse is there. But attitude is a big part of this. In other words my point that I tried to make to Kuleana. If all you listen to is doom and gloom, what is your attitude going to be? Post just one side and all you will get is argument towards the other side. You see snarky comments, insults etc. Post both sides and you’ll see arguments for both sides. It’s all in your head. Because in most cases the truth lies somewhere between both sides. You have no control over what the world does to you. You can only control what you have control over. And you have control over your attitude. If you really wanted to know what the positive side of all of this is, Google it. I found links from Harvard, CDC, other government links, The Atlantic, etc. The manufacturers in the US have retooled and are going strong making necessary products related to the Pandemic in order to help those who are sick. Our biotech industry is going great guns to come up with a cure and an inoculation. People are giving until they can’t give anymore. Most of us got a stimulus check. The air is clearer than it has been since the 50’s. Price of gas is very low. Families are spending a lot more time together. The basis for online schooling just made a giant leap forward towards the future. Hell, most of us have a lifetime supply of TP in our garages. There are positives here if you seek them.

Don’t forget, I’m a bigger worrier than you’ll ever be. There is no way to tell how long this is going to last. As long as I think it will take, I see an end in sight. I’m sorry you don’t. The difference between you and me is attitude. I hope this helps.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Kuleana

Re: Countdown to Global Depression?
« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2020, 10:58:57 AM »
Not if I don’t have a paycheck.
  (And FlappDarmokMauidogMoosed you can take that Flapp dance and shove it up your ass.  Acting like this is a light laughable situation for a lot of people is f’d up. Crossed the line in my opinion. And I couldn’t care less about your opinion on my opinion.)

To all the prior posts:

Two sides to the story? What’s the positive side.
I need to know to take some of the worry out of it.

20% unemployment in Hawaii.  Over 200,000 unemployed. No definitive end in sight. Just got extended 2 weeks.
I’m assuming not many of the unemployed claiming benefits are getting retirement Social Security checks.
PPP funds exhausted in the first 3 weeks.

Don’t tell me not to knee jerk and spread propaganda because I haven’t done any of that.

What’s the positive side of the economy and how will it recover in a reasonable time?
I guess we could just keep printing money that’s worth nothing.

End of rant.

Hound,

You have read my posts, honest comments and accusations made against them, and my subsequent responses.  I did not start a thread of panic or try to create drama; I started a thread to talk and discuss whatever facts available, analysis, and commentary from our forum community, with the hopes the resulting discussions will bring insights, not only in one's physical preparations, but also mindset going forward in the near future.  The main reason I have and chosen not to spend too much time on positive aspects in the news is because those who are really suffering (i.e., people who have lost employment) have most likely already heard it and are intuitive enough to know that such information is more towards to calm people's fears, rather than offer specific answers on how it improves the living situation of the average joe on the street.

Having said that, as a practicing economist, I began posting economic publicly reported data, along with insight and analysis from my discussions with people who work in the government and colleagues from other countries.  I stand-by everything I said and further share my view that things will not get back to normal anytime soon.  In the short-term, the only semblance of recovery my colleagues and I are HOPING to see is during the upcoming Summer months, where it is HOPED that the rate of transmission between people will dramatically fall due to the high volume of UV rays that will bombard the planet at that time.  IF the expectations are accurate, those unemployed should milk it for all its worth, reduce their debt, and financially prepare for even harder times.  Once the Summer is gone, flu season returns and with no vaccines available at that time, you can bet Covid-19 will come back with a global vengeance.  Coupled with the fact it will be highly doubtful that everyone in Hawaii who lost their job now will get it back in the third quarter of this year at the same rate of pay, the average joe should begin rethinking their living arrangements and living budgets now.

Now, the rebuttal of the scenario I shared above, will focus on the government stimulus actions to date that I will not go over, as it was accurately shared by Inspector and I AGREE with the theoretical outcome IF everything goes according to plan.  However, the flaw I see in that view that is shared by many who have been unemployed are multifold.  First, we know already that unemployment insurance will not have the funds to cover people for the next six months.  Second, the money earmarked for small business in the latest stimulus package with the hopes of retaining workers has capped off.  Third, with the prospects of a SAFE and RELIABLE vaccine realistically not being available in near term, there is no reason to believe the economic effects of Covid-19 will go away for the rest of this year.  Fourth, we need to remember that the US economy is tied to the global economy and even if the US is open for business, the REST of the World may be not; hence customers and suppliers to the US might not be ready to conduct business yet.  What this means is that there IS reason to have cautious hope, but the average joe will be better served still preparing for the worst.

It is at the beginning of the third quarter where will we truly see whether a global depression will be a reality.  The third quarter of this year will signal the beginning of flu season and Covid-19.  It is here my eyes and I suggest everyone else's eyes should be on the macroeconomic indicators.  IF everything goes as planned, as recounted by Inspector, we should start seeing local, national, and global GDP rising.  IF so, we can all laugh, eat chicken at Popeyes, and look forward to getting employment back on track to pre Covid-19 levels.  IF there is any significant indication of GDP decline, this will be the sign that deflation will soon be upon us because there will be things to buy, but no one around with enough discretionary income to buy them.  Moreover, with the trillions of US dollars printed up to that point, hyperinflation will rear its head to everyone's detriment sometime, thereafter.

As it stands, the truth of the matter for all those unemployed is that everyone affected will get their $1,200 plus $500 per child bailout that does not need to be reported in income taxes.  Despite most of the money going to prop up Wall Street, the government has also made available, through already depleted, crumbs for small business to retain its workers.  In the short-term, be ready to cash-in for some reopening of the economy during the Summer.  However, save that money to prepare for any future contingencies in daily living expenditures.  Finally, keep your eyes on the macroeconomic indicators come third quarter, as that will be the make or break economic moment for the year.

I look forward to getting all kinds of information and discourse to what I just shared because I hope I am totally wrong.  However, I still feel we need to be constantly reminded of what could go wrong, as that is what has happened and what everyone has been responding to till this point.

Be safe, healthy, and prepare as best you can Hound.   :shaka:

aieahound

Re: Countdown to Global Depression?
« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2020, 11:04:32 AM »
Thanks Inspector.
I actually feel better.
Sincerely.  :shaka:

And thanks for well wishes Kuleana.

Now we got some real discussion.
Inspector that’s some good stuff to ponder.
Kuleana’s got some points of view also.

groveler

Re: Countdown to Global Depression?
« Reply #38 on: April 19, 2020, 11:30:39 AM »
You and I have spoken at great length about our backgrounds and our opinions. Yeah, I think we drank the same koolaid!  :rofl:

You said one thing that I am not sure about. Because so far we have been able to create and keep employed all the people who should have been replaced by automation. The exceptionally low unemployment and underemployed rates I think bear that out. Anyone who wanted to work was working. Certain jobs cannot be completely replaced. And those jobs are the ones that will remain in high demand and correspondingly high pay. You had one of those jobs. While the languages you know might become obsolete, there will be new and better languages created and so the cycle continues. As we build more automation the people designing and building and maintaining will be needed. Like I said, I am not sure about this as I don’t see a lot of evidence yet that there are not enough jobs for people when just a couple of months ago we had 7M more jobs than we had eligible people to fill them. We needed to import qualified people to fill those jobs. So I am not sure it will ever happen, but if it does it probably won’t be in our lifetime.

The baby boomers are almost all retired now. The boomers end in 1964. I just retired as early as I could and I was born in 1958. So in 6-7 years the retiring boomers are going to drop down in numbers. And as we die off faster than we begin SS our burden on the system will dwindle. They have been talking about how the boomers are going to ruin SS for the next generation. It won’t be long before the trend starts to reverse. I think there is an immediate problem that needs to be addressed and soon, but I don’t think in 15-20 years it will be that big of a problem as we boomers continue to die off. BTW, one big reason I decided to retire now is so whatever our government decides to do to fix and save SS in the near term should not effect me as they usually don’t touch those who are already collecting and should be grandfathered in.
Prescott Valley?  I think my mothers first cousin lives there.
I have one of his books( it is not very good).

The glass is half empty.
There were lots of new jobs created and unfilled.
but the wages were shit.
and they were service jobs.

Us "old farts" will die off in the next twenty years or so,
that is true.  We got ours,  now they can try to get theirs.
I fear we cannot accommodate the kids as well
as we were helped in our youth. 
Y'all know most people aren't cut out
to be "self actualizing".
Sorry,  result of going to Liberal Seattle universities.
Be well.
Aloha.

groveler

Re: Countdown to Global Depression?
« Reply #39 on: April 19, 2020, 11:50:47 AM »
Hound,

You have read my posts, honest comments and accusations made against them, and my subsequent responses.  I did not start a thread of panic or try to create drama; I started a thread to talk and discuss whatever facts available, analysis, and commentary from our forum community, with the hopes the resulting discussions will bring insights, not only in one's physical preparations, but also mindset going forward in the near future.  The main reason I have and chosen not to spend too much time on positive aspects in the news is because those who are really suffering (i.e., people who have lost employment) have most likely already heard it and are intuitive enough to know that such information is more towards to calm people's fears, rather than offer specific answers on how it improves the living situation of the average joe on the street.

Having said that, as a practicing economist, I began posting economic publicly reported data, along with insight and analysis from my discussions with people who work in the government and colleagues from other countries.  I stand-by everything I said and further share my view that things will not get back to normal anytime soon.  In the short-term, the only semblance of recovery my colleagues and I are HOPING to see is during the upcoming Summer months, where it is HOPED that the rate of transmission between people will dramatically fall due to the high volume of UV rays that will bombard the planet at that time.  IF the expectations are accurate, those unemployed should milk it for all its worth, reduce their debt, and financially prepare for even harder times.  Once the Summer is gone, flu season returns and with no vaccines available at that time, you can bet Covid-19 will come back with a global vengeance.  Coupled with the fact it will be highly doubtful that everyone in Hawaii who lost their job now will get it back in the third quarter of this year at the same rate of pay, the average joe should begin rethinking their living arrangements and living budgets now.

Now, the rebuttal of the scenario I shared above, will focus on the government stimulus actions to date that I will not go over, as it was accurately shared by Inspector and I AGREE with the theoretical outcome IF everything goes according to plan.  However, the flaw I see in that view that is shared by many who have been unemployed are multifold.  First, we know already that unemployment insurance will not have the funds to cover people for the next six months.  Second, the money earmarked for small business in the latest stimulus package with the hopes of retaining workers has capped off.  Third, with the prospects of a SAFE and RELIABLE vaccine realistically not being available in near term, there is no reason to believe the economic effects of Covid-19 will go away for the rest of this year.  Fourth, we need to remember that the US economy is tied to the global economy and even if the US is open for business, the REST of the World may be not; hence customers and suppliers to the US might not be ready to conduct business yet.  What this means is that there IS reason to have cautious hope, but the average joe will be better served still preparing for the worst.

It is at the beginning of the third quarter where will we truly see whether a global depression will be a reality.  The third quarter of this year will signal the beginning of flu season and Covid-19.  It is here my eyes and I suggest everyone else's eyes should be on the macroeconomic indicators.  IF everything goes as planned, as recounted by Inspector, we should start seeing local, national, and global GDP rising.  IF so, we can all laugh, eat chicken at Popeyes, and look forward to getting employment back on track to pre Covid-19 levels.  IF there is any significant indication of GDP decline, this will be the sign that deflation will soon be upon us because there will be things to buy, but no one around with enough discretionary income to buy them.  Moreover, with the trillions of US dollars printed up to that point, hyperinflation will rear its head to everyone's detriment sometime, thereafter.

As it stands, the truth of the matter for all those unemployed is that everyone affected will get their $1,200 plus $500 per child bailout that does not need to be reported in income taxes.  Despite most of the money going to prop up Wall Street, the government has also made available, through already depleted, crumbs for small business to retain its workers.  In the short-term, be ready to cash-in for some reopening of the economy during the Summer.  However, save that money to prepare for any future contingencies in daily living expenditures.  Finally, keep your eyes on the macroeconomic indicators come third quarter, as that will be the make or break economic moment for the year.

I look forward to getting all kinds of information and discourse to what I just shared because I hope I am totally wrong.  However, I still feel we need to be constantly reminded of what could go wrong, as that is what has happened and what everyone has been responding to till this point.

Be safe, healthy, and prepare as best you can Hound.   :shaka:
Most the time you and I disagree mainly on Military stuff.
But your comment here is within reason.
I'm much more pessimistic than you are.
I know most people are idiots,
you believe they are not.

Hawaii is in for a bad time, if you are not debt free,
can grow your food, have guns and ammo to protect yourself,
and obtain water, you won't survive.

Fear is powerful. How you deal with it
will determine if you survive or not.
Aloha.