What kind of uneducated question was that?  The Hawaiian Kingdom was a free market / capitalist society and intrinsically had economic inequality amongst the classes.

If you are talking about freedoms, Hawaiian nationals had as much as or more freedom than Americans at the same time.

With all due respect Inspector, I have to passionately disagree with your statement above.  Your interpretation of inequality could of just as been spoken by slave owners or feudal lords in past history to explain and justify to a slave or serf regarding their place and lack of equality in their respective society, as I superimposed in your response above, as an example.

With all due respect Kuleana, past history only serves to help prevent from it being repeated. Since none of us here in the US are slaves or otherwise, your example is really meaningless. I understand there may be slaves in some other part of the world but there is no slavery here, in Hawaii nor in Alaska. So let’s not make stuff up since we are talking about and and I and not some guy in a socialist country who might be a slave. We are all free men here. We are free to leave anytime we want. That is our choice as a free people. So if you decide you are a slave or you decide not to leave that is on you and not slavery by any definition.


Well, as a born and raised Hawaiian, I have seen nothing but a preponderance of social and economic disparity among Hawaiians and many other non-white minorities.  The majority of Hawaiians are not happy at all and are sad/disgusted/angry/envious/jealous of the ultrawealthy who have sapped the wealth of Hawaii that was made possible due the illegal annexation of their nation by the US.

As I stated before, and I have not seen an argument from you otherwise, social and economic disparity is ONLY a feeling. Take away that feeling and what do you have? people who are NOT jealous. People who not effected by envy. People who see rich people and do what is necessary to make their lot in life better for themselves. To wallow in self pity about social disparity is a mental frame of mind that can be easily overcome IMHO. But that can be a discussion for another time.

Not if the rules of the game differ across the social classes in any society.

With all due respect, who cares? If you care about social disparity and you are the one on the bottom then you are the problem. It is your mental state that is creating this issue. Take away that feeling and there is no issue. I will wait for your response without using words like “Passionate” and “Social” and “Feelings” and “Envious”, etc. It is those who are swayed by those feelings that have the issue. Take away their feelings and there is no issue.

I don't know because I'm not Hawaiian and did not live during that time period. I am not sure what I was taught in mandatory 4th grade Hawaiian studies was or wan't true.
So in other words, there was inequality during that time as well.
Did Hawaiians have slaves?

I don't know because I'm not Hawaiian and did not live during that time period. I am not sure what I was taught in mandatory 4th grade Hawaiian studies was or wan't true.
So in other words, there was inequality during that time as well.
Did Hawaiians have slaves?

Who are these corrupt Hawaiians? I want to make sure I dont vote for them

With all due respect, who cares? If you care about social disparity and you are the one on the bottom then you are the problem. It is your mental state that is creating this issue. Take away that feeling and there is no issue. I will wait for your response without using words like “Passionate” and “Social” and “Feelings” and “Envious”, etc. It is those who are swayed by those feelings that have the issue. Take away their feelings and there is no issue.

It is a separate argument. Nobody but you referred to them as “lazy kids that want free stuff.” The question is how fair is it for kids that WORKED for their degree? That doesn’t somehow mean that those that didn’t choose to work are “lazy”. It just means you took out the loan so now don’t cry that you’ll have a hard time paying it back. You saw the LoAn amount, and you saw the monthly payments, yet you still took out the loan. Predatory or not it is still your responsibility to pay it back, period.

If you believe that exists, then there's no excuse for failing if you truly tried.

The greatest among us failed multiple times. What makes them great is they got back up again and kept trying. If you design a system where a person on the bottom can not afford to make a single mistake while the ones on the top have no risk at all then all you are doing is preparing the soil for a socialist revolution.

Universities and billionaires get federal backed loans and can be as irresponsible as they please, but too bad for kids trying to Improve themselves only to end up in permanent debt for a useless piece of paper. That is a huge inequality which could be solved very quickly by taking the government thumb off the risk/reward scale.

But that is a conservative policy change which requires re-evaluating our neoliberal plantation slave programming

They also drive down the quality of education. Why offer a superior product when customers are forced to pay even in bankruptcy?

The equality of opportunity gap in the United States is enormous.

If I kept the thought that life will always be unfair and unequal I wouldn't get anything done. I believe that a person needs to have the self-discipline and motivation to overcome those negative inferences. Fairness is subjective.

If I kept the thought that life will always be unfair and unequal I wouldn't get anything done. I believe that a person needs to have the self-discipline and motivation to overcome those negative inferences. Fairness is subjective.

I agree with you Ren; but the fact you had the fortitude to stick to your guns does not mean everyone else has or will ever have the same quality.

Most people are sheeple, right?  If we use that framework, the rich are the wolves and it is the duty of the sheepdogs to protect the sheeple from those rich wolves.

Who then, are the sheepdogs?

I agree with you Ren; but the fact you had the fortitude to stick to your guns does not mean everyone else has or will ever have the same quality.

Most people are sheeple, right?  If we use that framework, the rich are the wolves and it is the duty of the sheepdogs to protect the sheeple from those rich wolves.

Who then, are the sheepdogs?