Oil to lube (Read 8424 times)

Rocky

Re: Oil to lube
« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2020, 08:38:47 AM »
    If I had firearms, I would . . .
Clean w/ Rem Oil or Ballistol, wipe exteriors.
Deep clean with Brake Cleaner (non-chlorinated)
MPro7 on trigger springs and Glock barrel to spring contact point.
Lithium grease (sparingly) on rails, BCG exterior contact / friction points.

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drck1000

Re: Oil to lube
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2020, 10:01:43 AM »
    If I had firearms, I would . . .
Clean w/ Rem Oil or Ballistol, wipe exteriors.
Deep clean with Brake Cleaner (non-chlorinated)
MPro7 on trigger springs and Glock barrel to spring contact point.
Lithium grease (sparingly) on rails, BCG exterior contact / friction points.
So you didn't use the Fireclean that you "borrowed" from me brought back for me from that awesome range on the BI?   :P

I'll have to hit you up for some lithium grease next time I shoot my AK.  Think I finally used up that crappy red grease I had.  You have a good supplier for lithium grease. . .  ;D

changemyoil66

Re: Oil to lube
« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2020, 10:17:50 AM »
So you didn't use the Fireclean that you "borrowed" from me brought back for me from that awesome range on the BI?   :P

I'll have to hit you up for some lithium grease next time I shoot my AK.  Think I finally used up that crappy red grease I had.  You have a good supplier for lithium grease. . .  ;D

Wait AK's need oil/grease?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Oil to lube
« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2020, 11:31:31 AM »
Wait AK's need oil/grease?

What do you think helps keep the dirt and grime from falling out?    :geekdanc:  :rofl:

An AK need that stuff to fill the voids so it don't rattle.
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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drck1000

Re: Oil to lube
« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2020, 11:43:45 AM »
Wait AK's need oil/grease?
I know many who will say AKs, Glocks, etc don't need oil, need to be maintained, etc.  That said, I believe all mechanical devices benefit from maintenance for proper function, longevity, etc.  Just like one doesn't need to have logical and rational information in order to post things on forums, but it usually helps if they do. . .

 :rofl:

But seriously, I'm a relative newbie when it comes to AKs.  So lacking sufficient experience to shape what my preference is, I am taking the lead of guys like Jim Fuller as well as respected instructors that I've interacted with.  Trust but verify. . .

Rocky

Re: Oil to lube
« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2020, 06:01:41 PM »
So you didn't use the Fireclean that you "borrowed" from me brought back for me from that awesome range on the BI?   :P

I'll have to hit you up for some lithium grease next time I shoot my AK.  Think I finally used up that crappy red grease I had.  You have a good supplier for lithium grease. . .  ;D
Nope, didn't touch it,
If I had  a range bag, it would contain Ballistol, MP7 and lithium grease all the time.
Was our mutual associate who turned me on to white lithium, also uses on his AK
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drck1000

Re: Oil to lube
« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2020, 06:17:58 PM »
Nope, didn't touch it,
If I had  a range bag, it would contain Ballistol, MP7 and lithium grease all the time.
Was our mutual associate who turned me on to white lithium, also uses on his AK
Haha. I was kidding. 

I think I have MPro7 in my range bag too, but I think because it was what I had on hand when I thought I might need it.  Sometimes I don't have.  I have a bunch of different ones, but mostly because folks gave me stuff to try.  I think I still have the bottle of gun oil I got when I bought my first handgun over 20 years ago.  While I have my preferred products, I can't say one is far superior than any other. 

Bushido

Re: Oil to lube
« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2020, 06:59:02 PM »
No need for a "gun specific" lube IMO. I use full synthetic automotive engine oil. It won't evaporate at least not within a reasonable amount of time.

drck1000

Re: Oil to lube
« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2020, 12:49:35 PM »
No need for a "gun specific" lube IMO. I use full synthetic automotive engine oil. It won't evaporate at least not within a reasonable amount of time.


 ;D

I know many who use motor oil though.  I never did, but mostly because I still have lots of gun specific products that I was given over the years.  I even know some who swear by vegetable oil.  Like Bud Light commercial, it's only weird if it doesn't work.   8)

stangzilla

Re: Oil to lube
« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2020, 03:06:00 PM »
Lucas gun oil seems to stay wet a long time. I use the red oil, the regular one. It's pretty cheap too. Lucas also makes motor oil and other lubricants. Some say the Lucas gun oil is same as their automatic transmission oil. Trans oil lasts a long time. How often do you change your trans oil? Sometimes 100k miles or never.
Anyway, I like to leave some oil on different parts like bcg, and after 2 months or more it's still wet

drck1000

Re: Oil to lube
« Reply #30 on: May 07, 2020, 03:19:28 PM »
Lucas gun oil seems to stay wet a long time. I use the red oil, the regular one. It's pretty cheap too. Lucas also makes motor oil and other lubricants. Some say the Lucas gun oil is same as their automatic transmission oil. Trans oil lasts a long time. How often do you change your trans oil? Sometimes 100k miles or never.
Anyway, I like to leave some oil on different parts like bcg, and after 2 months or more it's still wet
My cousin was a Lucas Oil distributor, at least for a little while.  I think Lucas or one of their subsidiaries was going to start marketing oil products in the gun market and he was supposed to hook me up.  A couple months later, I saw that he changed jobs, so :kickcan: 

I have heard many shooters like Lucas' lithium grease.  Not sure if it's any different than any other lithium grease tho.

A buddy in a C17 engine guy.  They have all sorts of different oils, lubes, grease.  He owns guns, but doesn't shoot that often since he has younger kids.  Will have to see what kids of stuff he has around his garage.   ;D

Heavies

Re: Oil to lube
« Reply #31 on: May 08, 2020, 07:38:02 PM »
I have a flintlock hanging on my wall.  I treated all the steel with a rubdown of REAL Trapper Mink Oil Tallow.  I haven't had any real rust show up at maybe one year of it hanging on the wall display.  I do see some spots of surface rust where dust settles and attracts moisture, but a quick swipe and reapplication is all that is necessary.  I check it every one or two months. 

And yes, this gun has been fired and used, with real black powder, so IYKYK, you really need good stuff to keep it from rusting.  And you cannot use any petroleum based stuff, or it'll get really messed up with black powder fouling.      If you are storing a gun, and it is in a safe that is protected, I think this stuff would work really well. 

ren

Re: Oil to lube
« Reply #32 on: May 08, 2020, 10:21:11 PM »
I use 5w-30 conventional dino oil. works well :thumbsup:
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jaynick

Re: Oil to lube
« Reply #33 on: May 09, 2020, 08:02:47 AM »
"Gun lubes - grease vs oil:

For those who don't yet know me, I own CherryBalmz Weapons Lubricants - we've been engineering gun lubes for about 6 years now. Those who do know me, know I enjoy sharing the universal science of gun lubes in general, and don't just shill for our products. 

In another gun group, I was just asked about the broad differences between greases and oils for guns - it's something you all might appreciate, no matter what your current lube is. 

Here's the basics:

Greases are classed as sealing lubricants, while oils are classed as flow lubricants.

Unsealed machines get greases, while machines with lubricant support systems, like gaskets, pumps, filters, and reservoirs, generally get oils - because the oils are designed to transport friction contaminant away from friction surfaces.

When you remove those lubricant support systems, the machine is now unsealed, and oils will flow right out of those friction surfaces, with just gravity and motion alone. The machine will get only a tiny fraction of the cycling it would have otherwise had, before you need to jump in and fix things - in effect, serving as the lubricant support system yourself.

Greases act like a sealant - they stay put, and keep friction contaminant away from your friction surfaces. That sealant effect also applies to the grease components themselves - upper layers of the grease trap air and oxidative elements away from the lower layers of the grease, keeping it fresh and reliable for years on a machine. Junk may build up on the exterior of the grease, like a crust even in cars and major machinery exposed to the elements, but the friction surfaces and lower layers of grease are fresh, clean, and protected.

The biggest misconceptions about grease are that it's basically "sticky peanut butter", and that it will clog up in guns. And for the NLGI #2 greases that are virtually all anyone sees, this is largely true - it's just way too thick for optimal reliability in guns. But greases come as light as cooking oil (NLGI #000) and as thick as a block of clay (NLGI #6). Our firearms greases, being optimized for gun energies and gun realities, are all lightweight, the heaviest being about like a creamy mayonnaise, around NLGI #0.

Because of all of these factors, you could have pure unicorn tears as an oil, but it will still flow away, and pick up and suspend friction contaminant, often migrating it right into your friction surfaces. A properly weighted grease will stay put, and seal junk out. The difference in performance for total round count between gun oils and our greases is about 10x. Most ARs need to be re-oiled every 250-350 rounds, depending on the oil (some will do more, usually thicker ones like Lucas or 20w50 motorcycle oil), while our Black Rifle Balm typically gives about 3000-5000 rounds on one application. And it stays wet and reliable for over 3 years on a gun.

If you want to use oils, for a number of reasons, go with thicker oils in spring, summer, and fall, then switch to a lighter oil, like ATF or 0w20 in winter. If you want to use grease, look for the lightest you can find. Besides ours, Geissele's is great, and lubriplate offers an NLGI 00 that's pretty good. I don't want to sound salesy, and won't get into what makes ours different here, but you'll be safe with any of these greases.

Just remember, the question with any gun lube isn't, "Will it lube?", but, "How well will it lube, for how long, and under what circumstances?" The issue is understanding a given lube's limitations - know those, and you'll be safe.

That said, here's a "grease vs oil" application guide you might find in any plant maintenance handbook, or Tribology 101 textbook - take a look and see what column better describes the realties of guns:"