Aloha everybody!

I'm a newbie and I have an embarrassing kind of newbie question. I'll be taking the basic permit class in a few weeks and I'm already shopping for a handgun. My problem is most of the guns I want to buy have 12 to 15 round capacities and as I understand it Hawaii law limits magazine capacity to 10 rounds. Does this mean I can't buy a CZ P10C in Hawaii or is/can the magazine be modified to comply with the state law?

Mahalo to anyone who can explain.

Most manufacturers will have a 10 round mag model that's available for sale in such states as ours
If it's already at a local shop its probably the 10 round model unless it's for LEO. Or they may offer a mag block at an additional price
If ordering online just order the 10 round model

https://cz-usa.com/product/cz-p-10-c/

There are 2 models, regular capacity and low capacity which comes with 10 round mags

Yes only Glocks are legal and wonderful, or you can listen to Stang because it's closer to fact...  Welcome to the Boards by the way.

CZ-USA is pretty awful about keeping a lot of parts and pieces for the P10 in stock, and when they do get a new batch in, they sell out same day.  Extra magazines were faster and cheaper from GMW. Also CZ-USA somehow manages to ship using some secret USPS rate that adds weeks to delivery, its almost magical how long stuff takes to arrive.

https://gunmagwarehouse.com/cz-p-10-c-9mm-10-round-magazine.html

That said I really like my P10c. Comfy and fun to use.

Also if you have big hands you might wanna look at the magazine bases CZ sells, that little bit of extra real estate helps getting good grip purchase for me.

https://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail/40804_Czub-Extended-Aluminum-Magazine-Base-For-P10

There's no law against the general public owning a magazine parts kit.  If the seller disassembles the mags before you take possession, they are legal.  Just don't reassemble the parts while in the state.

You could keep the parts kits for use when you travel to other states, assuming you wish to carry there.  Buy a compliant set of 10 rd mags and use those here for practice, home defense, etc.

Parts kits .... just parts kits .... they don't hold any rounds with taken apart.   

Having an FFL take possession of the standard capacity mags, if the gun is sold with them, is the legally recommended route for assembled mags.  They can block them for you, but that costs almost as much, if not more than, a compliant replacement mag.

I usually try to buy the compliant mags with the gun if possible.  Some buyers are so determined to buy a given gun, they will, however, ask the seller to keep the mags and just sell them the firearm.

So many ways to skin this cat.

Hawaii isn't the only state with a 10rd pistol mag limit, so almost all manufacturers make them. If a LGS has that pistol in stock, itll have 10rd mags. If you buy online, just have to look for them. Might have a different price though...

Hawaii isn't the only state with a 10rd pistol mag limit, so almost all manufacturers make them. If a LGS has that pistol in stock, itll have 10rd mags. If you buy online, just have to look for them. Might have a different price though...

California Compliant is the search term I use when browsing websites  to find the off the shelf 10 rnd capacity version of hanguns. 

California Compliant is the search term I use when browsing websites  to find the off the shelf 10 rnd capacity version of hanguns.

That can work in many cases, but the CA Compliance thing involves more than just mag capacity.  If the specific make, model and caliber are not on the certified firearms list, it's illegal to buy/sell/manufacture/etc. in the state.

One example would be the pistols that have a "chamber" indicator to warn there's a round there.  Versions without that "safety feature" are forbidden.

As of January 1, 2001, no handgun may be manufactured within California, imported into California for sale, lent,
given, kept for sale, or offered/exposed for sale unless that handgun model has passed firing, safety, and drop tests
and is certified for sale in California by the Department of Justice. Private party transfers, curio/relic handguns,
certain single-action revolvers, and pawn/consignment returns are exempt from this requirement.

Additional information on the Roster of Certified Handguns can be found at California Code of Regulations, title 11,
section 4070.

https://govt.westlaw.com/calregs/Document/I80547680380011E18024FEFE7CFA98B6?viewType=FullText&originationContext=documenttoc&transitionType=CategoryPageItem&contextData=(sc.Default)

https://www.oag.ca.gov/firearms/certified-handguns/search

I'm not saying that all CA-compliant handguns would not also be HI-compliant.

I am saying that not all HI-compliant handguns are CA-compliant.   

Have you been to a local shop here to check out that pistol?

Chances are all lgs will have a 10 round mag.

I dont think hpd or sheriffs have it on their list of allowed pistols for off duty. Therefore it (the mags) should be in stock somewhere on this island, as long as the pistol is there being sold.

When ordering through a lgs, theyll 99% of the time order the 10 round mags with the pistol through their distributors.

If ordering by yourself, through gunbroker or wherever,  inquire if they will replace the 12, 13, 15, 20 etc. Round mags with 10 round mags before purchasing.

Sorry idk what caliber your looking for or what a czp10 even holds.

Hawaii isn't the only state with a 10rd pistol mag limit, so almost all manufacturers make them. If a LGS has that pistol in stock, itll have 10rd mags. If you buy online, just have to look for them. Might have a different price though...

I found that more and more online shops and dist are willing to remove the hi cap mags for 10rd states but not swap them. Your on your own finding the legal ones. I imagine they sell the removed mags so they just made a tidy profit by offering a "mag removal service". Budsgunshop started doing this. But at least you can get the gun you really want less mags if they only have 10+ cap available at their store.

I found that more and more online shops and dist are willing to remove the hi cap mags for 10rd states but not swap them. Your on your own finding the legal ones. I imagine they sell the removed mags so they just made a tidy profit by offering a "mag removal service". Budsgunshop started doing this. But at least you can get the gun you really want less mags if they only have 10+ cap available at their store.

If the only two options are no mags (buy your own replacements) or blocking by an FFL, the cost of one is probably close to the other.

I guess it's difficult to promise to replace the mags with 10-rd versions when I see the problems I have sometimes finding them in stock.  Not to mention a dealer selling a wide variety would be matching and chasing new mags every other day.  That's not even throwing in the headaches of dealing with sending the wrong mags or relisting returns PLUS the extra mags.

I really don't blame them for not replacing them, but you'd think they'd give a small discount on the gun or shipping.

Buds Gun Shop. Super fast. Just filter what you want. And super cheap...

Sometimes they won't have it, but eventually, it'll pop up. Just gotta check every now and then...

Duncan V Beccera. Mag cap limits are currently illegal.

Having the mags blocked can be expensive.  Depending on which gun, sometimes cheaper to go without the mags and find the capped mags.  On my CZ, the mags that they came with are pricey, like $60, so I got them blocked and I think the charge was $18-20 each.  The aftermarket 10 round mags are in the $20-35 range though. 

From what I was told, many distributors don't even bother with ordering guns with limited capacity magazines and go with the "I got what I got, take it or leave it" approach.  Then maybe half of the retailers don't want to bother with swapping out the mags as they will get stuck with the standard capacity mags.  Luckily, my go-to FFL is very helpful. 

Don't agree with the mag capacity restrictions, but I don't do anything illegal. . .

Having the mags blocked can be expensive.  Depending on which gun, sometimes cheaper to go without the mags and find the capped mags.  On my CZ, the mags that they came with are pricey, like $60, so I got them blocked and I think the charge was $18-20 each.  The aftermarket 10 round mags are in the $20-35 range though. 

From what I was told, many distributors don't even bother with ordering guns with limited capacity magazines and go with the "I got what I got, take it or leave it" approach.  Then maybe half of the retailers don't want to bother with swapping out the mags as they will get stuck with the standard capacity mags.  Luckily, my go-to FFL is very helpful. 

Don't agree with the mag capacity restrictions, but I don't do anything illegal. . .

no one here does anything illegal...

If the only two options are no mags (buy your own replacements) or blocking by an FFL, the cost of one is probably close to the other.

I guess it's difficult to promise to replace the mags with 10-rd versions when I see the problems I have sometimes finding them in stock.  Not to mention a dealer selling a wide variety would be matching and chasing new mags every other day.  That's not even throwing in the headaches of dealing with sending the wrong mags or relisting returns PLUS the extra mags.

I really don't blame them for not replacing them, but you'd think they'd give a small discount on the gun or shipping.

Luckily budsgunshop has a free shipping over $100 I think it was. Or buying without the mags would be more of a deal breaker for me. Liked the ppq so much that I have a ppq steel frame on layaway without the mags.  Only came with 15rders. and currently trying to trade my czp10c for a polymer one.