As you would expect I fully
support Aerospace.
This reverses everything Democrats
have done to shut America
space efforts.
We no longer need Democrat
government permission to
improve ourselves
and explore.
Russians were kind of sidelined,
but they have doggedly performed
in space, where Americans
pooped out after the moon
trips.
But SpaceX is a Ferrari
and there will be more
competition in the future.

Thinking ahead, nuclear energy is one of the best, pollution-free options we have to create energy.  That's what the green energy thing is about, right?

Well, pollution-free with the exception of that pesky nuclear waste.  Storing it until it's safe has always been a problem.

What if Space-X was paid to get rid of it?  Fly it to the moon, launch it into the Sun, etc.  The tricky part has always been the fear of an accident on lift-off.  But, what if there's a way to develop engines that USE the nuclear waste to transport it out of the atmosphere?  Or better yet, rocket engines that use Tesla-style motors that have no chance of exploding on lift-off?

These are just a couple more reasons to continue pushing the envelope and finding new and better technologies for space flight.

Thinking ahead, nuclear energy is one of the best, pollution-free options we have to create energy.  That's what the green energy thing is about, right?

Well, pollution-free with the exception of that pesky nuclear waste.  Storing it until it's safe has always been a problem.

What if Space-X was paid to get rid of it?  Fly it to the moon, launch it into the Sun, etc.  The tricky part has always been the fear of an accident on lift-off.  But, what if there's a way to develop engines that USE the nuclear waste to transport it out of the atmosphere?  Or better yet, rocket engines that use Tesla-style motors that have no chance of exploding on lift-off?

These are just a couple more reasons to continue pushing the envelope and finding new and better technologies for space flight.

Many people don't realize there is "radiation"
everywhere.
This entire Earth was once inside a Star.
Perhaps I spent too many years working with
Astrophysicists.
Most were from Texas and liked guns.
The really scary "radiation"
Gama particles, we get hit with all the time.
The stuff that scares Democrats,
is pretty controllable.

What we really should use is Thorium.
common and readily available.

Politics keep us down.
and makes Democrats rich.

I try not to be too cynical but it gets difficult sometimes, especially when a publicity stunt designed to hold up a rapidly disintegrating Ponzi scheme captures the imagination of people who are doing their best to ignore exactly how far the quality of life in this country has fallen over the past few decades. If you put your money on Musk and keep it there you will lose your money. He is a showman, not a genius. That is the problem with government picking the winners. Everyone loses.

Edit: I just read the part about strapping nuclear waste to a rocket and launching it into space. That is completely insane for so many reasons that I can’t even go there. Also nuclear power is another technology that is totally useless without subsidies. It simply cannot cover its own costs, not even including the costs of accident cleanups and storage that will have to remain functional for half a million years.

Many people don't realize there is "radiation"
everywhere.
This entire Earth was once inside a Star.
Perhaps I spent too many years working with
Astrophysicists.
Most were from Texas and liked guns.
The really scary "radiation"
Gama particles, we get hit with all the time.
The stuff that scares Democrats,
is pretty controllable.

What we really should use is Thorium.
common and readily available.

Politics keep us down.
and makes Democrats rich.

Why you think I wear the tinfoil hat all day?

Why you think I wear the tinfoil hat all day?

You really want to go there?   

I try not to be too cynical but it gets difficult sometimes, especially when a publicity stunt designed to hold up a rapidly disintegrating Ponzi scheme captures the imagination of people who are doing their best to ignore exactly how far the quality of life in this country has fallen over the past few decades. If you put your money on Musk and keep it there you will lose your money. He is a showman, not a genius. That is the problem with government picking the winners. Everyone loses.

Edit: I just read the part about strapping nuclear waste to a rocket and launching it into space. That is completely insane for so many reasons that I can’t even go there. Also nuclear power is another technology that is totally useless without subsidies. It simply cannot cover its own costs, not even including the costs of accident cleanups and storage that will have to remain functional for half a million years.

Based on CURRENT, KNOWN technology, I agree (as do most people in the Space program, gov't, etc.).  Having said that, however, it opens the door to what I said before:  space exploration creates new technologies.  Who's to say that one day we might be able to safely transport nuclear waste out of the atmosphere WITHOUT the violent force currently used to attain orbit and beyond?

The Space Shuttle was once envisioned to be a vehicle that could be carried to a very high altitude by a 747, then separate and continue on its own into outer space.  That proved to be problematic, but not something that was conceptually impossible.

New energy sources, new materials and new manufacturing techniques are discovered all the time.  One day we might have a series of low-to-high orbiting stations that could safely get a payload into space without the risks of today.

We don't know unless we try.

As for subsidies, when nuclear power has replaced fossil fuel plants, the cash will be there to sustain it.  And, since the gov't regulates that industry to death, it's not unreasonable for them to assist with compliance.  Simply inspecting and writing up discrepancy reports is not the most effective problem-solving process, especially in gov't.

It is well known that Musk has an ulterior motive to going to space. He stands to make even more money by placing men on the moon and setting up mining operations on the Moon. All of the resources that we will eventually use up here on earth or not have access to because it doesn’t exist on our soil is plentiful out in space. This blows up the conspiracy theories pushed in this thread. One large asteroid recently was said to have enough rare earth metals to supply the US and take away our reliance on China for them for close to a century. The moon is said to be full of this sort of thing in abundance if Musk can make it a profitable venture. I believe he will. Capitalism at its finest. JMHO

It aint capitalism if it does not work without massive government subsidies. That is why nobody else is doing it. This is government pouring money into lots of stupid ideas to make rich people even richer. Space mining is not in our planetary budget, never has and never will be. Saying that some technology will magically appear is quasi-religious delusion. Just because you want something really bad does not mean that the laws of physics will bend to your will. All these arguments are part of the giant Hopium bubble that stop real innovation from happening by bleeding off trillions of our tax dollars to a wealthy narcissist's Scifi fantasy. This is a Liberal policy run by Liberals and vehemently supported by...?

It aint capitalism if it does not work without massive government subsidies. That is why nobody else is doing it. This is government pouring money into lots of stupid ideas to make rich people even richer. Space mining is not in our planetary budget, never has and never will be. Saying that some technology will magically appear is quasi-religious delusion. Just because you want something really bad does not mean that the laws of physics will bend to your will. All these arguments are part of the giant Hopium bubble that stop real innovation from happening by bleeding off trillions of our tax dollars to a wealthy narcissist's Scifi fantasy. This is a Liberal policy run by Liberals and vehemently supported by...?

 

It aint capitalism if it does not work without massive government subsidies. That is why nobody else is doing it. This is government pouring money into lots of stupid ideas to make rich people even richer. Space mining is not in our planetary budget, never has and never will be. Saying that some technology will magically appear is quasi-religious delusion. Just because you want something really bad does not mean that the laws of physics will bend to your will. All these arguments are part of the giant Hopium bubble that stop real innovation from happening by bleeding off trillions of our tax dollars to a wealthy narcissist's Scifi fantasy. This is a Liberal policy run by Liberals and vehemently supported by...?

Yeah because NOBODY ELSE is doing capitalism.

Right.

Lessons in Liberty: Hong Kong, Crown Jewel of Capitalism

https://fee.org/articles/lessons-in-liberty-hong-kong-crown-jewel-of-capitalism/


Sweden Is Capitalist

https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2019/05/20/sweden-is-capitalist/


In fact, when listed in order of MOST Capitalistic, the US at #12 isn't even in the top 10!!   

Would you like some facts with that crap sandwich?

The top 10 most capitalistic countries are:

Hong Kong
Singapore
New Zealand
Switzerland
Australia
Ireland
United Kingdom
Canada
United Arab Emirates
Taiwan

https://www.thebalance.com/capitalism-characteristics-examples-pros-cons-3305588

Yeah because NOBODY ELSE is doing capitalism.

Right.

Lessons in Liberty: Hong Kong, Crown Jewel of Capitalism

https://fee.org/articles/lessons-in-liberty-hong-kong-crown-jewel-of-capitalism/


Sweden Is Capitalist

https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2019/05/20/sweden-is-capitalist/


In fact, when listed in order of MOST Capitalistic, the US at #12 isn't even in the top 10!!   

Would you like some facts with that crap sandwich?

The top 10 most capitalistic countries are:

Hong Kong
Singapore
New Zealand
Switzerland
Australia
Ireland
United Kingdom
Canada
United Arab Emirates
Taiwan

https://www.thebalance.com/capitalism-characteristics-examples-pros-cons-3305588

I read the article. this popped out
"Its weakest points are its massive government spending and poor fiscal health.
It's also weak in its tax burden that restricts taxpayer freedom."
That is referring to Democrat run America.
Could also describe Hawaii.

America is an oligarchy run by
Rich Democrats.
I repudiate the race thing, it is all
cultural.

I read the article. this popped out
"Its weakest points are its massive government spending and poor fiscal health.
It's also weak in its tax burden that restricts taxpayer freedom."
That is referring to Democrat run America.
Could also describe Hawaii.

America is an oligarchy run by
Rich Democrats.
I repudiate the race thing, it is all
cultural.

I'm not saying Capitalism, even as it should be implemented, is perfect.

It's the worst form of economics in the world -- except for all the others.

I am simply showing hvybarrels that his comment is not fact-based.  That's all.   

As you would expect I fully
support Aerospace.
This reverses everything Democrats
have done to shut America
space efforts.

I said to hell with it and retired a bit early after Øbowel canceled the NASA back to the moon effort.

I was looking forward to developing and proving out our idea for a lunar navigation system.  Might have had other spin off benefits, but social welfare took the Kenyan's attention.

So, here we are, more trillions spent on the welfare class, and they still riot at the media generated affront of the day.

SpaceX will get us to Mars. I believe in Elon Musk

SpaceX will get us to Mars. I believe in Elon Musk

First step is a Moon base to use for Mars launches. 

A Mars base is going to be a logistical challenge, to put it mildly.  All the materials, supplies and fuel needed to support human life there has to make its way outside of Earth's atmosphere first.  Staging via the Moon isn't a new plan, but making an effort to do it is new.

First step is a Moon base to use for Mars launches. 

A Mars base is going to be a logistical challenge, to put it mildly.  All the materials, supplies and fuel needed to support human life there has to make its way outside of Earth's atmosphere first.  Staging via the Moon isn't a new plan, but making an effort to do it is new.

Just like with the first trips to the moon and the subsequent ISS I can’t imagine the technological breakthroughs we are going to benefit from!

First step is a Moon base to use for Mars launches. 

A Mars base is going to be a logistical challenge, to put it mildly.  All the materials, supplies and fuel needed to support human life there has to make its way outside of Earth's atmosphere first.  Staging via the Moon isn't a new plan, but making an effort to do it is new.

Still going to be cheaper to buy a house on Mars than Honolulu

Still going to be cheaper to buy a house on Mars than Honolulu

Yeah, but the taxes to install that infrastructure are gonna be MASSIVE!