George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police (Read 51195 times)

hvybarrels

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #60 on: May 29, 2020, 07:43:16 PM »
Everyone hates fake news, but you won't hear that on fake news of course.
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Jl808

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #61 on: May 30, 2020, 06:09:46 AM »
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ren

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #62 on: May 30, 2020, 08:03:05 AM »
Deeds Not Words

Rocky

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #63 on: May 30, 2020, 08:05:34 AM »
Can't find it right off, but did any one see the video where it shows the other 2 out of 4 officers to the right of  Chauvin out of site behind the SUV ALSO kneeling on Floyd ?
 :wtf:
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zippz

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #65 on: May 30, 2020, 11:12:32 AM »
Can't find it right off, but did any one see the video where it shows the other 2 out of 4 officers to the right of  Chauvin out of site behind the SUV ALSO kneeling on Floyd ?
 :wtf:

Kuleana

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #66 on: May 30, 2020, 01:10:18 PM »


And people wonder why there is riots and looting all over America, let alone the general mistrust and outright disdain people have against law enforcement?   :wtf:

Fascist police brutality has always been going on to people of all colors, its time to stop being in denial that such events do not often occur or think any cop is not capable of such evil barbarity at any time.   :grrr:

Kuleana

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #67 on: May 30, 2020, 01:41:01 PM »


Clearly, he sees how the American empire is looking for ways to take back the rights of the population that was once protected by the American republic.

Moreover, I agree with him to believe the fascist police is there to save you, while all of them is capable of such brutality at any time is complete lunacy.

groveler

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #68 on: May 30, 2020, 01:41:39 PM »
And people wonder why there is riots and looting all over America, let alone the general mistrust and outright disdain people have against law enforcement?   :wtf:

Fascist police brutality has always been going on to people of all colors, its time to stop being in denial that such events do not often occur or think any cop is not capable of such evil barbarity at any time.   :grrr:
At least they weren't beating him to submission, which I've seen too many times
on handcuffed people.
Fascism is a political economic policy, where the government forces
private industries to produce what the government thinks
is best. Kind of resembles Democrat party policy in America today.

Fascist is wrong, I think the word you want to use is
Mercenary.


spicynoodle_1

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #69 on: May 30, 2020, 01:47:04 PM »
And people wonder why there is riots and looting all over America, let alone the general mistrust and outright disdain people have against law enforcement?   :wtf:

Fascist police brutality has always been going on to people of all colors, its time to stop being in denial that such events do not often occur or think any cop is not capable of such evil barbarity at any time.   :grrr:

I, for one, dont wonder why there are riots. I'm sure anyone can understand why they are rioting. But it doesn't make any sense to cause pain and suffering for someone who had nothing to do with the incident that sparked all this. I just saw a video of a man who sunk all of his life savings into a business, worked his ass off to grow it, only to have it literally burned to the ground by idiots who think this is justified because of the lack of response to peaceful protest.

And for someone to make a blanket statement and say that this is an obvious reason to no longer trust law enforcement is very irresponsible. This act of brutality, though very saddening, is not indicative of all LEOs. I personally know a handful and not one has that in them. I have also been on the other side of the law multiple times when I was younger and have been treated respectfully and fairly.

Kuleana

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #70 on: May 30, 2020, 04:19:47 PM »
Fascist is wrong, I think the word you want to use is
Mercenary.

Appropriate; many of them must have been thugs for hire before wearing their police uniforms, which could explain the brutality they are all capable of committing.

ren

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #71 on: May 30, 2020, 04:30:06 PM »
Such an absolute fucking shame to have someone blanket an entire organization and its families with such a despicable, hateful term. The officers' families who support them, the generational lines of civil service, and the human desire to serve is all undermined by such blatant, irresponsible assumptions. That is the fuel that feeds these riots we see. We recently had 2 officers who paid the ultimate sacrifice. If you want to play the emotional card, go ahead and say to their family members that they were fascists.
It seems that our society is not about reform for justice but want selfish reform for criminal activity.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-2nd-officer-shot-bronx-hours-ambush-68860339

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/21/nyregion/two-police-officers-shot-in-their-patrol-car-in-brooklyn.html

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Kuleana

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #72 on: May 30, 2020, 04:47:55 PM »
I, for one, dont wonder why there are riots. I'm sure anyone can understand why they are rioting. But it doesn't make any sense to cause pain and suffering for someone who had nothing to do with the incident that sparked all this. I just saw a video of a man who sunk all of his life savings into a business, worked his ass off to grow it, only to have it literally burned to the ground by idiots who think this is justified because of the lack of response to peaceful protest.

The collateral damage from the current riots do not make any sense.  However, this senseless collateral damage is no different for those people in Iraq or Afghanistan, who lost their property, livelihoods, as well as lives as well from the American military during those illegal wars and no one in America seems to care.




And for someone to make a blanket statement and say that this is an obvious reason to no longer trust law enforcement is very irresponsible. This act of brutality, though very saddening, is not indicative of all LEOs. I personally know a handful and not one has that in them.

The ex-cop and murderer himself, Derek Chauvin, was a 19 year police veteran, who had killed in the line-of-duty before, but never committed anything as heinous leading to the execution of George Floyd.  As of yet, there is no evidence to suggest that he was capable of doing what he did in the eyes of his peers.

Regardless, that's the point.  Chauvin was the not ideal cop, but was not the cop with the longest history of brutality either.  It was just on one day, he decided to end Floyd's life right in front of a watching public, despite hearing Floyd's begging for his life.  No one, including his own fellow cops who were with him, could have seen this coming.  That is why I made the statement that all cops, for whatever the reason, are capable of doing what Chauvin did at any place and at any time.




I have also been on the other side of the law multiple times when I was younger and have been treated respectfully and fairly.

I have known and do have many cops that are good acquaintances.  However, from what I have observed, some are generally nice, but from what I can tell, all of them are capable of extreme violence.

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Kuleana

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #73 on: May 30, 2020, 04:54:53 PM »
It seems that our society is not about reform for justice but want selfish reform for criminal activity.

What are you taking about?

Do you think all of the protests, civil disobedience, and civil unrest that is happening is selfish reform for criminal activity?

spicynoodle_1

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #74 on: May 30, 2020, 06:58:18 PM »
The collateral damage from the current riots do not make any sense.  However, this senseless collateral damage is no different for those people in Iraq or Afghanistan, who lost their property, livelihoods, as well as lives as well from the American military during those illegal wars and no one in America seems to care.

So you agree that this rioting is stupid. You're calling it senseless, so I'll take that as a yes...



The ex-cop and murderer himself, Derek Chauvin, was a 19 year police veteran, who had killed in the line-of-duty before, but never committed anything as heinous leading to the execution of George Floyd.  As of yet, there is no evidence to suggest that he was capable of doing what he did in the eyes of his peers.

Regardless, that's the point.  Chauvin was the not ideal cop, but was not the cop with the longest history of brutality either.  It was just on one day, he decided to end Floyd's life right in front of a watching public, despite hearing Floyd's begging for his life.  No one, including his own fellow cops who were with him, could have seen this coming.  That is why I made the statement that all cops, for whatever the reason, are capable of doing what Chauvin did at any place and at any time.




I have known and do have many cops that are good acquaintances.  However, from what I have observed, some are generally nice, but from what I can tell, all of them are capable of extreme violence.

Your argument is ridiculous. What you are describing is a human, not a cop. Imagine if the government used that crazy reasoning in deciding gun control laws. You've never commited a crime in anyway, never gave anyone any reason ever to think that you would ever commit a crime, but since humans in the past have, then you might. Therefore, you shouldn't be able to own a gun. In some ways they already have made decisions like that, and I'm pretty sure you aren't happy with those decisions. Or if someone did that same reasoning in any capacity, be it race, sex, etc. it is a poor argument to say that someone may, so they all...
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changemyoil66

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #75 on: May 30, 2020, 07:31:09 PM »
Cops protecting the cnn building. Any other building being protected in the same way?

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Kuleana

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #76 on: May 30, 2020, 07:50:48 PM »
Your argument is ridiculous. What you are describing is a human, not a cop. Imagine if the government used that crazy reasoning in deciding gun control laws. You've never commited a crime in anyway, never gave anyone any reason ever to think that you would ever commit a crime, but since humans in the past have, then you might. Therefore, you shouldn't be able to own a gun. In some ways they already have made decisions like that, and I'm pretty sure you aren't happy with those decisions. Or if someone did that same reasoning in any capacity, be it race, sex, etc. it is a poor argument to say that someone may, so they all...

Issues of the 2nd Amendment and the murder of George Floyd are two different things entirely.

My argument is in specific context to the issue of police brutality and should not be used as an example for or against in the context of gun rights as you tried to compare.

spicynoodle_1

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #77 on: May 30, 2020, 08:31:24 PM »
My comparison is to show you that you would not want to be judged by the actions of others. No one would. Therefore making your stance conditional.
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Kuleana

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #78 on: May 30, 2020, 09:33:48 PM »
My comparison is to show you that you would not want to be judged by the actions of others. No one would. Therefore making your stance conditional.

Yes, no one should be judged by the actions of others.  However, when dealing with police, who are employed for the people, armed to uphold the law, and given the public trust; they have to be universally measured and held to the highest standards, unlike private citizens.

One or even a few cases of police brutality nationally is already unacceptable, but when such cases of brutality or unjustified shootings occur frequently every month, year after year, and in different parts of the country, you have a serious systemic problem and, hence, it is not unfair to make sweeping characterizations for the said institution.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #79 on: May 30, 2020, 10:11:47 PM »
Yes, no one should be judged by the actions of others.  However, when dealing with police, who are employed for the people, armed to uphold the law, and given the public trust; they have to be universally measured and held to the highest standards, unlike private citizens.

One or even a few cases of police brutality nationally is already unacceptable, but when such cases of brutality or unjustified shootings occur frequently every month, year after year, and in different parts of the country, you have a serious systemic problem and, hence, it is not unfair to make sweeping characterizations for the said institution.

You're delisional.

If there are bad Cops, the leadership needs to weed them out and discipline those who break the law.

If the leadership isn't doing that, replace the leaders.

If the gov't isn't doing that, replace the people in gov't.

The remedies are no different than any large private company.

Your bias against the police at all levels is well known and acknowledged by you on here.  Any opinions you have concerning proper police operations are tainted at best -- crazy at worst.

Your use of the word "universally" puts the final nail in your argument.  Just like your hatred for the military in total, so is your hatred for law enforcement in total.

Arguing about individual cases or responses to them is futile.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw