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Riots across the US (Read 30576 times)

hvybarrels

Re: Riots across the US
« Reply #60 on: June 02, 2020, 10:25:57 AM »
Unfortunately it looks like riots have a high level of coordination going on with piles of bricks and flammable materials being deposited in strategic locations. Also there is video evidence of agent provocateurs, activists paying looters to target certain locations, and a network of bicycle scouts directing mobs to places where police do not have a presence. It is difficult to say exactly who has the most to benefit from this kind of chaos, but if we end up with a heavy handed police state overreaction and permanent suspension of constitutional rights then a lot of big tech and military contractors would enjoy record profits enforcing the New World Normal. The evidence that most strongly points in this direction is the mainstream media insistence of describing them as protestors when the line has clearly been crossed into criminality, and continued effort to defend Antifa while misdirecting the blame to white supremacists. It all has the potential to spectacularly backfire however, now that we are seeing the outpouring of support for constitutional freedom, especially small businesses that successfully defend themselves while their neighbors lose their livelihoods and in many cases become victims of violent assaults.
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If you allow government to break the law for an "emergency" they will create "emergencies" to break the law.

bass monkey

Re: Riots across the US
« Reply #61 on: June 02, 2020, 10:27:52 AM »
There are stories out about makes individuals not from the community breaking windows and starting fires, like the umbrella man,  who was supposedly LEO, bicycle helmet guys stacking and birthing pallets.
There's even reports of random pallets delivered in the middle of the night of bricks in some cities. 
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stangzilla

Re: Riots across the US
« Reply #62 on: June 02, 2020, 10:47:04 AM »
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hvybarrels

Re: Riots across the US
« Reply #63 on: June 02, 2020, 11:34:43 AM »
It is also questionable why some governors and mayors are not activating National Guard. It is like they want the riots to continue in order to make Trump look bad.
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groveler

Re: Riots across the US
« Reply #64 on: June 02, 2020, 11:59:54 AM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on June 02, 2020, 11:34:43 AM
It is also questionable why some governors and mayors are not activating National Guard. It is like they want the riots to continue in order to make Trump look bad.
Are you just now figuring that out?
This is an election year.
The Dems have a dementia patient for
a candidate.
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macsak

Re: Riots across the US
« Reply #65 on: June 02, 2020, 12:02:03 PM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on June 02, 2020, 11:34:43 AM
It is also questionable why some governors and mayors are not activating National Guard. It is like they want the riots to continue in order to make Trump look bad.

I found it interesting that Ige chose yesterday to go full on TDS
he never did that before
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changemyoil66

Re: Riots across the US
« Reply #66 on: June 02, 2020, 12:09:42 PM »
Quote from: macsak on June 02, 2020, 12:02:03 PM
I found it interesting that Ige chose yesterday to go full on TDS
he never did that before

I noticed that as well.  It is getting closer to election time.
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changemyoil66

Re: Riots across the US
« Reply #67 on: June 02, 2020, 12:10:22 PM »
Asian guy many know of tried to join NG in LA with his kit and OCing. Was arrested.  He's gonna lose his 2a right.
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groveler

Re: Riots across the US
« Reply #68 on: June 02, 2020, 12:12:06 PM »
Quote from: macsak on June 02, 2020, 12:02:03 PM
I found it interesting that Ige chose yesterday to go full on TDS
he never did that before
Question is why?  This Hawaii, they only elect Democrats.
They toss in a token RINO once in a while.

I'm still trying to figure out why he destroyed
the Hawaii Tourist industry for the foreseeable future.
That has nothing to do with Trump.


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changemyoil66

Re: Riots across the US
« Reply #69 on: June 02, 2020, 12:14:57 PM »
Quote from: groveler on June 02, 2020, 12:12:06 PM
Question is why?  This Hawaii, they only elect Democrats.
They toss in a token RINO once in a while.

I'm still trying to figure out why he destroyed
the Hawaii Tourist industry for the foreseeable future.
That has nothing to do with Trump.

So they can blame Trump and TDS suffferors will believe it's Trumps fault.  Focus
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groveler

Re: Riots across the US
« Reply #70 on: June 02, 2020, 12:20:21 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on June 02, 2020, 12:10:22 PM
Asian guy many know of tried to join NG in LA with his kit and OCing. Was arrested.  He's gonna lose his 2a right.
Huh?
Someone got arrested for OverClocking?
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ren

Re: Riots across the US
« Reply #71 on: June 02, 2020, 12:30:06 PM »
Quote from: groveler on June 02, 2020, 12:20:21 PM
Huh?
Someone got arrested for OverClocking?

In your days they'd refer to OC as tear gas
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Riots across the US
« Reply #72 on: June 02, 2020, 12:33:25 PM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on June 02, 2020, 09:57:22 AM
In the 1970s one could own a house and raise a family on one job and still have "discretionary income". Now even with multiple jobs a family is one bad month away from being on the street. Standards of living have declined across the board to the point where the United States is a third world country punctuated by affluent cities, so pointing to strip malls surrounded by a landscape of economic devastation just makes you look kind of delusional.

The reason one income could support a family is not related to race.

It's related to how the tax code and inflation have shifted to where it takes two middle-income wage earners to do the same.  There is also the "consumerism" that's taken root, where everyone has to have the latest model of everything to be fashionable.  I didn't grow up with

Cable TV
A COLOR TV
A TV in every room
A phone in every room
wireless phones
PCs
WiFi
The Interwebs
flat panel TVs and monitors
Refrigerators that do more than keep food from spoiling
15 appliances in the kitchen
5 appliances for hygiene
Pizza delivery
Color Laser Printers
FAX machines
More clothes than I can wear in a month
Air beds that adjust for each sleeper's comfort
Cars and trucks with digital music, 8 speakers, massive woofers, backup cameras, power inverters, etc.

and the list goes on.

If you compared your "needs" against your "can live without" expenses today, you'd probably still be able to support a family on one income.  I did it for 20 years, putting 2 girls through college on my own -- something that wasn't an option for anyone in my income bracket in the 70s.
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
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oldfart

Re: Riots across the US
« Reply #73 on: June 02, 2020, 01:04:49 PM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on June 02, 2020, 09:57:22 AM
In the 1970s one could own a house and raise a family on one job and still have "discretionary income". Now even with multiple jobs a family is one bad month away from being on the street. Standards of living have declined across the board to the point where the United States is a third world country punctuated by affluent cities, so pointing to strip malls surrounded by a landscape of economic devastation just makes you look kind of delusional.
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I sort of agree, but I think it's more complicated.
Americans in general, are spoiled and influenced to spend money on non essential items.
Therefore low income households squander their way into self imposed poverty.

Eg. Ghetto-rich folks who live in slums yet are driving escalades
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changemyoil66

Re: Riots across the US
« Reply #74 on: June 02, 2020, 01:11:18 PM »
Quote from: groveler on June 02, 2020, 12:20:21 PM
Huh?
Someone got arrested for OverClocking?

Open Carrying
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ren

Re: Riots across the US
« Reply #75 on: June 02, 2020, 01:28:36 PM »
I want my...




along with an unlimited data plan and fast internet for my home.

I remember in the 80s all we had for entertainment was a color TV....cable TV was a luxury.
Now luxuries are necessities...internet for all, WiFi for all...internet access racial disparities etc.. etc... lifes not fair... we need a fair life....
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hvybarrels

Re: Riots across the US
« Reply #76 on: June 02, 2020, 01:38:18 PM »
Quote from: oldfart on June 02, 2020, 01:04:49 PM
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I sort of agree, but I think it's more complicated.
Americans in general, are spoiled and influenced to spend money on non essential items.
Therefore low income households squander their way into self imposed poverty.

Eg. Ghetto-rich folks who live in slums yet are driving escalades

There is an enormous price difference between a house and the average American's typical pile of consumer crap. It is not like they can take their Escalade and smartphone money and go buy a condo.

How many people went bankrupt for medical bills or got stuck with insane amounts of debt over a worthless degree in the 1970s? Once the drug war started and NAFTA destroyed their jobs, the only way many of them could keep their heads above water is black market activity. This combined with a corrupt court system designed to subsidize the private prison industry drove up the prison population to levels that passed the Soviet gulags. Families were destroyed and left only gang members as role models. Law enforcement with a long history of human rights abuses and racial profiling leave them with a simmering discontent which explodes from time to time.

What Flapp is doing when he compares his experience with theirs is saying that his culture is superior and ignoring the entire body of sociological and anthropological evidence of state-sponsored oppression and injustice based on skin color that continues to this day.
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ren

Re: Riots across the US
« Reply #77 on: June 02, 2020, 02:02:28 PM »
Quote from: oldfart on June 02, 2020, 01:04:49 PM
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I sort of agree, but I think it's more complicated.
Americans in general, are spoiled and influenced to spend money on non essential items.
Therefore low income households squander their way into self imposed poverty.

Eg. Ghetto-rich folks who live in slums yet are driving escalades

Wayciss! Oppressed! I need mah Escalade and my cigarettes
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groveler

Re: Riots across the US
« Reply #78 on: June 02, 2020, 02:06:00 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on June 02, 2020, 01:11:18 PM
Open Carrying
OK,
I'm a little slow.
Somebody you know tried to join the national guard in Louisiana( or Los Angeles) and had
a weapon in his baggage?
When I see "OCing" I think OverClocking.
It is a computer thing.
I was trying to figure out why he got busted for a computer.
Hope the guy beats the Rap.
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Kuleana

Re: Riots across the US
« Reply #79 on: June 02, 2020, 02:45:50 PM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on June 02, 2020, 01:38:18 PM
What Flapp is doing when he compares his experience with theirs is saying that his culture is superior and ignoring the entire body of sociological and anthropological evidence of state-sponsored oppression and injustice based on skin color that continues to this day.

That observation is what sums up those who think the protests and civil unrests happening are a joke or some kind of manufactured conspiracy.  Instead of looking deeper to the reasons for the actions taken, it is this mentality that leads those with that kind mindset to write the protestors off as spoiled, non-industrious individuals, who demand and enjoy living on government handouts.

Are there forces using the prevailing civil unrest for their own power interests?  Certainly.

But the underlying currents that have led to these civil unrests are very real and the powers that be are still not listening or even care.
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