To stop fake reservations and no-shows, the programmers should have added some fields to take credit card information. If someone doesn't show up, then they are charged a fee, say $10 or so. This can help discourage the antis making fake reservations to block the legitimate shooters from attending. It also encourages us to plan better in make reservations. It's not perfect but just a suggested safeguard to keep people honest.

Another suggestion would be that since shooters are already registered as firearms owners, they can check their fricken data base and match it up to the person registering for a time slot.

Make it so only registered firearms owners can sign up for a slot.  This will prevent people like the anti-2a from reserving time slots claiming they will use a friends or family members firearm.

Make it so only registered firearms owners can sign up for a slot.  This will prevent people like the anti-2a from reserving time slots claiming they will use a friends or family members firearm.

So this process would further enforce registration.  The state tried to pass a simular law this session where unless you own that particular caliber of firearm, you cannot buy the ammo.

What is someone knows how to shoot, but wants to try their friends rifle or shotgun before buying one? 

So this process would further enforce registration.  The state tried to pass a simular law this session where unless you own that particular caliber of firearm, you cannot buy the ammo.

What IS someone knows how to shoot, but wants to try their friends rifle or shotgun before buying one?

"To be, or not to be". . .

Another suggestion would be that since shooters are already registered as firearms owners, they can check their fricken data base and match it up to the person registering for a time slot.

Make it so only registered firearms owners can sign up for a slot.  This will prevent people like the anti-2a from reserving time slots claiming they will use a friends or family members firearm.

Hmmmm...HPD collaborates with Parks and Rec on registered gun owners?  What's wrong with that?

On a side note, I spoke to a golfer.  To sign up for a C&C course, it starts at 6:30am the week before.  They do not have an online system.  It's a telephone robot system.  You have to enter your county golfers ID number or phone number to sign up for a spot for 4.  The problem is there is no enforcement, so if only 2 show up, then the other 2 slots are wasted.  This golfer sees many groups of less than 4.  They probably don't want a stranger to be placed in their group thats why. 

And at 6:30am, everyone's calling.  So it's like how HPD was doing reservations early on via phone.  You have to keep trying until you get through.  Once he called at 6:45am and there were no tee times for the day he wanted.  I asked why not an online system, he said because many golfers are already at the course for their early morning tee time.  So to have to stay home and use the computer at 6:30am sucks.  And many old timers don't have smart phones either. There also is no waiting list ether.  So if someone does cancel, you have to just be calling at the right time to get that open slot.

"To be, or not to be". . .

No focus

The PROS system isn't so intrusive to me---if you're in rapback you have more serious concerns to worry about.

I don't have dependents so IDK if they can go shooting with you or not.  I know you can add your dependents to your account/profile.  My GUESS is that KHSC will be making up a lot of stuff (rulings) as the situations occur.  This can work in your favor or against so you'll have to wait and see what happens the first couple of weeks. 

If you really don't like the system, then put up your CC and pay through the nose at the indoor ranges.  IIRC, you'll still have to provide ID at the indoor range and/or sign in (unless you are a well-established customer);  in either case there'll be a paper trail on you.  If "they" look hard enough "they'll" find you in any case (whatever that case might be).  Bust out your tinfoil hat and BOHICA.

I dont have other people on my profile so I cant attempt this
Can you have more than 1 person on your reservation?

I'll have to try and sign up another person on my reservation for the next round since nobody has tried yet

I'll have to try and sign up another person on my reservation for the next round since nobody has tried yet

I don't know for sure but if that other person is an adult I think they would have to sign up on their own, using their own account.  How you would coordinate that with your shooting buddy is daunting--you may both have to be online at the same time (probably in the same room/locale) and both book the slot simultaneously.  When I made my reservations you could see how many reservations were available for each slot so at least you would know if the 2 of you could sign up.

Talked to the rangemaster today.

You can help a household member shoot at the table and take turns shooting.

There is a waitlist option on the appointment website and they'll take you if there is a no show at that time.

Call the range to cancel your appointment, you cannot do it online.

They are screening the list if people sign up for more than 1 hour per range per day.

He's aware of the problems, range limitations, contact info concerns, etc.  but those are decided at higher levels. 

Talked to the rangemaster today.

You can help a household member shoot at the table and take turns shooting.

There is a waitlist option on the appointment website and they'll take you if there is a no show at that time.

Call the range to cancel your appointment, you cannot do it online.

They are screening the list if people sign up for more than 1 hour per range per day.

He's aware of the problems, range limitations, contact info concerns, etc.  but those are decided at higher levels.

I'm pretty sure they aren't too thrilled with all these changes either.  It's not like they don't have enough to worry about.

If you really don't like the system, then put up your CC and pay through the nose at the indoor ranges.

A US citizen should NOT have to pay in order to exercise their 2nd amendment right, especially for those who can not afford to pay to shoot at an indoor range.  HI unemployment is at 33% right now, and probably higher since that number may not include individuals who gave up looking for work prior to the mass layoffs from the visitor sector.  I'm positive that a number of our own forum members have been negatively impacted, and I wouldn't put it on them to have to make that choice.  The point that has escaped many is that the new rules effectively prohibit ANYONE from fulfilling the range safety portion as required by the state from obtaining the required handgun safety affidavit.  As you pointed out the alternative would be to obtain their affidavit through one of the private ranges, but that's an option for those that can afford to pay "through the nose" as you pointed out.   Your ability to defend yourself and your loved ones should not be limited to those that are financially able to go to a private range.

My comment had nothing to do with the handgun safety affidavit, but that is a good point you bring up.  However, the initial investment in learning how to shoot is pretty steep so I doubt that someone on unemployment now would be looking to purchase a handgun.  IIRC there's no affidavit requirement for a rifle/shotgun permit; still, the initial investment can be substantial especially for those without an income right now.

I don't have access to a private outdoor range, nor do I want to spend the kind of $$$ it takes to shoot at an indoor range so I'm giving the system a try.  I'm not going to whine about, moan over or bash something I haven't even tried out yet.  Since I want to get in some trigger time at koko head, I'll do what's required.

A US citizen should NOT have to pay in order to exercise their 2nd amendment right, especially for those who can not afford to pay to shoot at an indoor range.  HI unemployment is at 33% right now, and probably higher since that number may not include individuals who gave up looking for work prior to the mass layoffs from the visitor sector.  I'm positive that a number of our own forum members have been negatively impacted, and I wouldn't put it on them to have to make that choice.  The point that has escaped many is that the new rules effectively prohibit ANYONE from fulfilling the range safety portion as required by the state from obtaining the required handgun safety affidavit.  As you pointed out the alternative would be to obtain their affidavit through one of the private ranges, but that's an option for those that can afford to pay "through the nose" as you pointed out.   Your ability to defend yourself and your loved ones should not be limited to those that are financially able to go to a private range.

#1 -- the State already forces us to pay for the right to own a firearm, because we are required to pay for fingerprinting and the mythical RAPBACK enrollment. 

#2 - If you want a handgun, you have the free option of taking the Hunter's Ed course.  I don't think it's an effective replacement for the handgun safety course -- different requirements such as no live fire -- but it satisfies the state.

#3 - No safety course required to own a rifle or shotgun.

Having said that, a range fee would be a recurring expense that could add up quickly for some.  What I most dislike about the whole thing is that they know the range is not in a convenient location for many of us.  To limit us to a single hour per side, especially if we're with a spouse, child or friend who doesn't have their own or the same guns as you, it just screws up the entire experience to where many will say it's just not worth the time and effort for an hour.  Not everyone will go to both ranges because they don't own a long gun or need to shoot one every trip. (Maybe this will entice people to buy a long gun or handgun if they only have one or the other, just to make a range trip 2 hours long?)

I'll be interested to know if they are adjusting their cease fire schedules.  Used to be 5-10 minutes cease fire after every 20 minutes of shooting.  No matter whether they call cease fire just before or just after the top of the hour, either the people about to leave, or those just arriving will, get screwed out of trigger time for a target change.  It's inevitable because time doesn't stand still for stupid rules.

Before, they called cease fire every 20 minutes to allow arrivals to put up their targets and those leaving to retrieve theirs.  Since the window for arrivals and departures are now fixed to once per hour, are they going to stop the other 2 cease fires?

If they stop the cease fires after the start of the hour until just before the next hour, that implies late arrivals won't be allowed to shoot in their reserved time slot.  Chances are, that slot will be taken by a walk-in anyway.  That means you waste even more time arriving early so you don't miss your reservation.  Before, you get there when you get there and wait for the next cease fire.

If you're on the pistol range, and it's close to the end of your time, will they call a cease fire during the incoming shooters' "setup 15 minute window", thereby taking 25% of your trigger time?  Is that 15 minutes coordinated between the pistol and rifle sides?  Is that sufficient time to take ALL YOUR GEAR FOR BOTH RANGES to the other range, take down one target and set up another?  I usually have to stop by the vehicle to swap out target frames and ammo cans.  Too much to carry all at one time.

Such a cluster....

They should do this for dog parks as well. 1 dog per person for 1 hours. How about beaches? 1 hour per person, sign up online.

They should do this for dog parks as well. 1 dog per person for 1 hours. How about beaches? 1 hour per person, sign up online.

No parking outside of a marked stall....

Your ability to defend yourself and your loved ones should not be limited to those that are financially able to go to a private range.

With the exception of the State Hunter Safety course I don't know of any Firearms Safety course that meets the State's requirements and is free of charge.  Owning a firearm costs money, period.  EVERYTHING has a cost, period. 

If "your ability to defend yourself and your loved ones" is your main priority then you must find your way to make it happen.

With the exception of the State Hunter Safety course I don't know of any Firearms Safety course that meets the State's requirements and is free of charge.  Owning a firearm costs money, period.  EVERYTHING has a cost, period. 

If "your ability to defend yourself and your loved ones" is your main priority then you must find your way to make it happen.

My response to that is, the people most likely to need a firearm for self defense don't live in the nicest part of town.  Hence, they have a hard time affording a decent firearm, practice ammo, defensive ammo, targets, hearing protection, eye protection, a proper storage container (if they have kids or are at high risk of burglary), and the fingerprinting/enrollment fees.  If they are working multiple jobs, they might not be able to afford the time off to even go through the permit/training/registration process.

Those people will be choosing the cheapest firearm (not always the most reliable or easiest to use), cheapest  defensive ammo, and never make it to a range to test the gun, let alone practice enough to be proficient.

When the state tries to make ANYTHING more expensive for the public, especially something that's life-or-death, it winds up hurting the poorest among us the most.

With the exception of the State Hunter Safety course I don't know of any Firearms Safety course that meets the State's requirements and is free of charge.  Owning a firearm costs money, period.  EVERYTHING has a cost, period. 

If "your ability to defend yourself and your loved ones" is your main priority then you must find your way to make it happen.

I’ve personally known certain instructors who have gone out if their way to help someone in their time of need - aloha goes a long way 

With the exception of the State Hunter Safety course I don't know of any Firearms Safety course that meets the State's requirements and is free of charge.  Owning a firearm costs money, period.  EVERYTHING has a cost, period. 

Join the military.