I was speaking in general terms regarding the variety of ways applicants must rearrange their lives to show up to fill out the form and pay the fee (as you put it), demonstrating that the process is not isolated to those 2 actions.

If you don't know it is okay to say that you don't know.

What are the requirements?  Can you provide a link to the requirements?

http://www.honolulupd.org/downloads/LTC2018Application.pdf


1. Must have a handgun registered in Hawaii at the time of your application
2. Two passport photos
3. Fill out the application in person with government issued identification
4. If born outside of the United States, USA Passport, USA Citizenship documents, or  USA Permanent Resident Card
5. Provide handwritten or typed reasons for License to Carry Concealed 6. Proof of completion of a Hunter Education Course or other Firearms Safety or  Training Course described by Section 134-2(g), Hawaii Revised Statutes

An applicant MUST go in person to the main Honolulu police station to submit all documents.  The $10 fee is only applicable if approved, however, if a applicant has never been finger printed or enrolled in their RAPBACK, then they must pay that fee.

Problem is, since the beginning of the year, when they instituted the appointment system, there is no way for a citizen to gain an appointment to even apply for a permit to conceal/open carry.( "License to Carry - Security ") One cannot even apply to purchase a firearm without a 3 month wait, if you are lucky enough to secure an appointment.

I was stating that your simplified version of applying for a permit doesn't involve a complete picture of the time it takes -- it IS a "waste of time."  How much time it wastes varies.

You don't take other viewpoints very well, do you?

I had no version, simplified or otherwise, that is why I asked.

Then two people managed to answer my question, something you did not even bother to attempt.

I do not suffer fools gladly.  Neither do I have any patience for whiners who don't even try to make an effort.  I am about to begin my 10th year of litigation fighting California's Open Carry bans.  George Young filed his lawsuit six months after mine.

Tell us again? Who are you?

I had no version, simplified or otherwise, that is why I asked.

Then two people managed to answer my question, something you did not even bother to attempt.

I do not suffer fools gladly.  Neither do I have any patience for whiners who don't even try to make an effort.  I am about to begin my 10th year of litigation fighting California's Open Carry bans.  George Young filed his lawsuit six months after mine.

Tell us again? Who are you?

Just to fill in the "waste of time" concept...

Since we know that during the past 20 years of mandated record reporting not one single license has been issued on Oahu, would it be fair to say that unless a person wants to receive a denial in anticipation of filing a lawsuit that it would otherwise be a "waste of time" to submit an application given that there is zero chance of approval? Even if it only took 2 minutes.

   
   Between 2000-2015, 4 private citizen  CCW permits had been issued.
2001 - 2
2006 - 1
2013 - 1

RUMOR has it at least one of the above was not on Oahu, one was to a judge, another to a retired military officer,
It's not what you know it's who you know.   

Just to fill in the "waste of time" concept...

    Just to update you, my research of mandated record reporting (AG) done in 2016  shows  IN THE STATE OF HAWAII between 2000-2015,
There were 3,486 security firm applicants. 3,442 approved (64 rejected).

    There were 128 private citizen applicants (2014 had 21, 2015 had 44 and 2 of those in each year were my household)
 
   Between 2000-2015, 4 private citizen  CCW permits had been issued.
2001 - 2
2006 - 1
2013 - 1

RUMOR has it at least one of the above was not on Oahu, one was to a judge, another to a retired military officer,
It's not what you know it's who you know.   

   In 2016
Hawaii county 6 applications, 0 (0) approvals
Kauai county 5 applications, 0 (0) approvals
Maui county 0 applications, 0 (0) approvals
Honolulu county 15 applications, 0 (0) approvals (2 of those were my household)
Entire state 26, applications, 0 (0) approvals

    2017
I acquire a Utah CFP and Utah CFP Instructors license.

No permits were issued since 2015, so those stats of 4 issued remain through 2019.

The 2 CCW permits in 2001 were from the Maui PD. They claim all records regarding those permits no longer exist and that no one in the department as of several years ago had any information or knowledge of who got them or what specific claim they made to be issued the permits.

The 2006 permit was on Kauai to a judge, and included multiple gross violations of the permitting law regarding length of permit validity (statutorily one year) and renewal procedures (statutorily apply 30 days prior to expiration).

The 2013 permit was also on Kauai and appears to have been issued to either a military member or a family member of a military member, and was withdrawn after 6 weeks.

I have photocopies of the two Kauai permit applications/approvals. It's obvious that law enforcement doesn't abide by the law at all on those extremely rare occasions when they have actually deemed someone eligible to exercise their right to bear arms for self-defense outside the home.

That's why it's gonna take an extremely deep and thorough court decision to force these third world good old boy police departments to actually abide by the Constitution. They ain't going willingly, and if there are any cracks or loopholes available, they will make sure to use them to deny us all our rights.

Hopefully a start: Young v Hawaii today at 10:30 AM:

Would it help if we did a survey of gun owners asking if they would get a hawaii permit, why they haven't applied for one, and if they have an out of state permit?

this tells us all we need to know about you...