I could care less about Democrats or Republicans, as they are both opposite cheeks of the same ass.



I could care less if they burn Honolulu or any town on any island.

You should post your home address and invite them all over for a luau. 

Really?

Is anyone to believe the millions of Americans, including many cops and military personnel, that have come forward in support of the protests happening all over the US as well as the millions of other people all over the World must be wrong and the pro-establishment fascists who believe that police brutality does not exist and they can ignore the rights of the individual, like yourself, is right?



 
This has nothing to do with the death of George Floyd who was murdered by Chauvin, while his fellow fascist goons did nothing to stop him. 

Police brutality plain and simple.



What is the solution then, get rid of the government?

Are you really that much of an idiot, of just trolling again?

Who said get rid of the government other than you??

Maybe try holding the RIGHT people accountable, and quit trying to blame the entirety of the Cops in the country.

These problems stem from the TOP.  Look at all the corruption in HPD, all happening under a corrupt police chief and his prosecutor wife.  Where is the protest against the Mayor and Governor who did NOTHING other than cover things up until the feds investigated?

Maybe try holding the RIGHT people accountable, and quit trying to blame the entirety of the Cops in the country.

If the good cops start growing some balls and start reporting the bad cops they work with on a regular basis, maybe we are on to something that can address the problem.  But with the police unions and the establishment themselves unwilling to prosecute their fascists minions, until the general populace explodes into a civil frenzy; the problem will not get solved.

These problems stem from the TOP.  Look at all the corruption in HPD, all happening under a corrupt police chief and his prosecutor wife.  Where is the protest against the Mayor and Governor who did NOTHING other than cover things up until the feds investigated?

This willing ignorance is exactly the heart of the problem and has nothing to do with which two political cheeks of the same ass is in charge.  The police are nothing but the domestic enforcers of the state.  Hence, changing who sits on the local throne of power does not matter.  What matters is to set a transparent system for strict oversight, eliminate any legal protection afforded to cops, and begin an internal whistleblower program.  These measures would be great starting points to earn the public trust.

If the good cops start growing some balls and start reporting the bad cops they work with on a regular basis, maybe we are on to something that can address the problem.  But with the police unions and the establishment themselves unwilling to prosecute their fascists minions, until the general populace explodes into a civil frenzy; the problem will not get solved.



This willing ignorance is exactly the heart of the problem and has nothing to do with which two political cheeks of the same ass is in charge.  The police are nothing but the domestic enforcers of the state.  Hence, changing who sits on the local throne of power does not matter.  What matters is to set a transparent system for strict oversight, eliminate any legal protection afforded to cops, and begin an internal whistleblower program.  These measures would be great starting points to earn the public trust.

One of the few times I agree with you.
After the My Lai massacre in Vietnam, all guys were
trained, that if an order or action violated your "Values".
You had to act.  It may well be you will be punished
but that is a far less punishment than if you did
or allowed a major crime to occur.
Cops these days think they are para-military.
"Protect and serve" crap went out the door with Adam 12
TV.
The cops should have to operate under the same rules
as the military does, with the same threats of prosecution.

If the good cops start growing some balls and start reporting the bad cops they work with on a regular basis, maybe we are on to something that can address the problem.  But with the police unions and the establishment themselves unwilling to prosecute their fascists minions, until the general populace explodes into a civil frenzy; the problem will not get solved.



This willing ignorance is exactly the heart of the problem and has nothing to do with which two political cheeks of the same ass is in charge.  The police are nothing but the domestic enforcers of the state.  Hence, changing who sits on the local throne of power does not matter.  What matters is to set a transparent system for strict oversight, eliminate any legal protection afforded to cops, and begin an internal whistleblower program.  These measures would be great starting points to earn the public trust.

You accuse others of ignorance, and then state complete lies.

There are police and sheriff departments all across the country doing things right.  They have LEADERSHIP that is training and guiding their agencies to do their jobs properly.

Yet, in your world, one bad Cop makes them all fascists.

Stereotyping is based in ignorance.  You should learn more about stereotyping and ignorance (but then that would require less ignorance -- unlikely to happen).

You love cops when they are beating black people to death, but then get all bent out of shape when they set their sights on your constitutional rights. This is all the same problem, but when ideology gets involved all rational thought goes out the window.

Is it more important to talk about criminals with badges, or is this an insult contest for people who’s emotional intelligence is stuck at the high school level?

You love cops when they are beating black people to death, but then get all bent out of shape when they set their sights on your constitutional rights. This is all the same problem, but when ideology gets involved all rational thought goes out the window.

Is it more important to talk about criminals with badges, or is this an insult contest for people who’s emotional intelligence is stuck at the high school level?

I don't follow.
who are you addressing?

There are police and sheriff departments all across the country doing things right.  They have LEADERSHIP that is training and guiding their agencies to do their jobs properly.

Yes, but there is still a great number of police departments that are doing things wrong and for many decades.

Like I said earlier, I and many others will only believe the "good cops" narrative once cops are not benefited by any special legal protection or union with similar power.

A bipartisan measure to fix the issues of police corruption and abuse is to get rid of qualified immunity.  This would enable people to sue cops personally, so they have a stake in what they do.  Bad cop makes a homeless man lick a toilet then they can lose their home.  This would have to be planned carefully as you don't want good cops affected by this or else no one would want to be a police officer.  Criminals will make fraudulent complaints and lawsuits all the time and it would cost a cop a lot of money just to defend themselves in court.  Raise police officers pay and they could purchase insurance for it.  Better yet, have the police union manage the insurance so officers will prevent each other from doing illegal stuff cause their money is at stake.  Still provide some limited immunity protections though.

Bodycams were a good start, but they can be turned off at anytime.  Limiting some of the power of police unions is needed.  Unions are needed as sometimes cops get thrown under the bus for political reasons or as scapegoats.  However they go to far sometimes to protect scum.

Yes, but there is still a great number of police departments that are doing things wrong and for many decades.

Like I said earlier, I and many others will only believe the "good cops" narrative once cops are not benefited by any special legal protection or union with similar power.

Please, tell us all what the "great number" is.

Please list the source of that "great number" as well.

We could all benefit from a few facts over the horrible hyperbole so many are using to state their opinions lately.  Maybe you can buck that trend instead of perpetuating it?

A bipartisan measure to fix the issues of police corruption and abuse is to get rid of qualified immunity.  This would enable people to sue cops personally, so they have a stake in what they do.  Bad cop makes a homeless man lick a toilet then they can lose their home.  This would have to be planned carefully as you don't want good cops affected by this or else no one would want to be a police officer.  Criminals will make fraudulent complaints and lawsuits all the time and it would cost a cop a lot of money just to defend themselves in court.  Raise police officers pay and they could purchase insurance for it.  Better yet, have the police union manage the insurance so officers will prevent each other from doing illegal stuff cause their money is at stake.  Still provide some limited immunity protections though.

Bodycams were a good start, but they can be turned off at anytime.  Limiting some of the power of police unions is needed.  Unions are needed as sometimes cops get thrown under the bus for political reasons or as scapegoats.  However they go to far sometimes to protect scum.

Excellent balanced and fair post Zippz, which is not surprising coming from a well-knowledged and informed person like yourself.  Unlike some other poster who takes a position that acknowledges the existence of bad cops, but quite conspicuously does not offer or mention the notion of addressing police brutality within that institution itself; I also advocate similar measures as a strong starting point for law enforcement to earn the trust of the people, once again.

Excellent balanced and fair post Zippz, which is not surprising coming from a well-knowledged and informed person like yourself.  Unlike some other poster who takes a position that acknowledges the existence of bad cops, but quite conspicuously does not offer or mention the notion of addressing police brutality within that institution itself; I also advocate similar measures as a strong starting point for law enforcement to earn the trust of the people, once again.

oh the irony....

We should require body cams on elected officials, with ALL video made available on a public server.  In fact, a live stream would not be bad.   

No matter how much you clamor for Cops to rat on each other, it'll do no good unless the top brass takes action on the reported bad acts.  Between bad press for the department and unions protecting the officers, mandating that Cops turn in bad Cops won't work.  It'll be covered up before anything is done.

Look at what happened in one jurisdiction.  Four Cops blew the whistle on the local gov't & police chief setting stated quotas for writing tickets and impounding cars because they were facing budget shortfalls.  The Cops were accused of all manner of policy and law infractions, had internal affairs reports opened on them, and a number of other forms of retaliation.

The four Cops are now suing the township for civil rights violations.

It has to be addressed at the top before anything in the ranks will have an effect.

U know I don't get all the anger. We should all agree that Floyd was a shit individual and so was this cop. I see at as a win all around. We should be cheering. Both removed from polite society. One in the ground and one locked up for a very long time. Too bad it doesn't happen as much as alot of people think it does. Too bad this exact same thing doesn't happen a million times over a year. Shit individuals offing other shit individuals and then both disappearing from the pool. World would end up being a better place over time.