Mag Ban Incoming (Read 35568 times)

groveler

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2020, 09:54:31 AM »

Red flag laws itself are unconstitutional, as it directly violates the 4th amendment. You can have your property seized unlawfully based on lies--perhaps you have a neighbor or some damn Karen who hates your ass; they can petition to have your weapons taken under false pretenses, all without you knowing about it. Well, you'll know about it when only after the PD shows up to take your shit.

It as damn mystery why none of our leaders caught this glaring flaw in the law. I don't really think they even know the Constitution.  Maybe they do, but then that would be worse.

Ladies and gentleman, we are having our democracy chipped away bit by bit. Soon it will be an autocracy. Why? Well, only autocrats work against Blackstone's Ratio.

Blackstone's Ratio states that it's better for 10 guilty to escape justice than for 1 innocent to suffer unjustly.  The direct opposite, which is probably already the mentality of the modern times are, it's better for 10 innocent to suffer unjustly than 1 guilty to escape justice.

Don't fucking leave. That's why this state's gone to shit. People leave and take their talents elsewhere. That leaves us with not much.  Not meaning to offend here, but our best don't stay here. 

This is home. Let's both defend it and cultivate it.
"This is home. Let's both defend it and cultivate it."
I knew when I moved here twenty years ago, that Hawaii is a third world schiff hole run by
the "Party" for the benefit of the "Party".  That hasn't and won't change.
I live in the poorest county in Hawaii and the Honolulu government just made it poorer.
Funny that the government is still fully funded and are now the largest employer.
I will defend my home, I will cultivate, but keep my food to myself and friends.
And of course never violate any Constitutional Federal, state, or local laws.

PS.  All those Californians moving to AZ are really screwing it up.
I'm sure Inspector made the best choice he could given the medical issues his family faced,
But AZ would not be my first choice.




Specter01

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2020, 10:24:04 AM »
...I knew when I moved here twenty years ago, that Hawaii is a third world schiff hole run by
the "Party" for the benefit of the "Party".  That hasn't and won't change.

It will never change if we keep losing people.  I know Obama and Mariota had to leave to make their names shine, but can try at least to care enough about our home to make it more than fucking tourism and military. Hawaiians...your real enemy is Bishop Estate, selling off your land to foreigners. You think those condos with Hawaiian motifs going up around Kaka'ako are for locals? Rich locals and Chinese investors, yeah.  But you no grumble. You sell your birthright for pottage.

I live in the poorest county in Hawaii and the Honolulu government just made it poorer.
And of course never violate any Constitutional Federal, state, or local laws.

Keep up the good fight, brother. When the smoke clears, people are going to have to rebuild their lives, and that's going to have to happen in spite of the Honolulu Government hamstringing everyone.

PS.  All those Californians moving to AZ are really screwing it up.
I'm sure Inspector made the best choice he could given the medical issues his family faced,
But AZ would not be my first choice.

It's a certain type of Californian. The same types who made the Chaz; same types who are force-feeding us this bullshit.
USMC 2000 - 2020

ren

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2020, 12:20:08 PM »

Red flag laws itself are unconstitutional, as it directly violates the 4th amendment. You can have your property seized unlawfully based on lies--perhaps you have a neighbor or some damn Karen who hates your ass; they can petition to have your weapons taken under false pretenses, all without you knowing about it. Well, you'll know about it when only after the PD shows up to take your shit.

It as damn mystery why none of our leaders caught this glaring flaw in the law. I don't really think they even know the Constitution.  Maybe they do, but then that would be worse.

Ladies and gentleman, we are having our democracy chipped away bit by bit. Soon it will be an autocracy. Why? Well, only autocrats work against Blackstone's Ratio.

Blackstone's Ratio states that it's better for 10 guilty to escape justice than for 1 innocent to suffer unjustly.  The direct opposite, which is probably already the mentality of the modern times are, it's better for 10 innocent to suffer unjustly than 1 guilty to escape justice.

Don't fucking leave. That's why this state's gone to shit. People leave and take their talents elsewhere. That leaves us with not much.  Not meaning to offend here, but our best don't stay here. 

This is home. Let's both defend it and cultivate it.

I wish it were that simple. There's not a strong demand for tech jobs or jobs that have a need for higher education. I think the bulk of jobs here in Hawaii are vocational. Tourism and construction with a sprinkling of defense - account for the economy.
People with good leadership skills are most likely found leading successful businesses.
Deeds Not Words

Specter01

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2020, 12:43:07 PM »
I wish it were that simple. There's not a strong demand for tech jobs or jobs that have a need for higher education. I think the bulk of jobs here in Hawaii are vocational. Tourism and construction with a sprinkling of defense - account for the economy.
People with good leadership skills are most likely found leading successful businesses.

Simple.  That's our problem. We always trying to find simple solutions for big problems. Simple flew off the island a few months back and won't be returning. 

We're going to need people to start things up. We've lost a lot of business all over the nation. In Hawaii, I noticed a lot of emptied out shops in downtown. Hell, the shop that I got my first bike from when I was 7 closed down during this--Eki Cycling. I thought that place was going to be there forever. It's gone.

A lot more are going to disappear before this is over and we need people willing to pick things back up again.
USMC 2000 - 2020

groveler

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2020, 01:16:26 PM »
I wish it were that simple. There's not a strong demand for tech jobs or jobs that have a need for higher education. I think the bulk of jobs here in Hawaii are vocational. Tourism and construction with a sprinkling of defense - account for the economy.
People with good leadership skills are most likely found leading successful businesses.
You pretty well nailed it.
I spent ten years in the Astronomy business,
I had to compete against people with PhD's.
there were so few positions.
Barking Sands,  just try to get a high tech job there
without a PhD or know somebody.
If you aren't sponsored by somebody it, is nearly
impossible to get a PE license
in the state of Hawaii.
I could sign off on Aircraft design changes,
but in Hawaii I can't even add a circuit for an
outdoor light.
Even Vocational stuff here is tough.
If you are not family(Ohana) you will not get a job in the
Longshoreman's union
Period.
Try to get a government job if your last name
is Johnston rather than Chin or Kim or Matsuda.
That is why Hawaii fails it's true potential.
It is still a tribal society.




Rocky

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2020, 02:19:03 PM »
Tell me about it.
After completing masonry and electrical apprenticeship's I was the building engineer for 4 years in an ACE Consortium accredited Art College which was in the Boston top 10.
When I moved to Hawaii,  I could not get into either union nor obtain a managerial position.
My first pay check job in Hawaii was primarily selling cigarettes and condoms to trans hookers from a small convenience store on the corner of Kalakaua and Kuhio between the hours of 11 pm and 7 am.

     Of course things have changed for us in the past 35+ years, but we made it happen.
 I HIGHLY doubt we will remain here much longer.
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

Specter01

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2020, 02:52:15 PM »
..Try to get a government job if your last name
is Johnston rather than Chin or Kim or Matsuda.
That is why Hawaii fails it's true potential.
It is still a tribal society...

You touched on one thing nobody likes talking about.  Yeah, the Inouye old boy club still has a lot of sway here, but not as much as sway now that Joe Souki is out from politics. The ones in power now are the ones who ousted Souki.  Honestly, I rather would have had them keep power than the ones who hold the reigns now. They the same ones letting people burn the past down.

I strayed off-topic.  Mixing pot my ass, right?

We going to get some mixing because people going oof with each other and make babies. But the tribes going to be still out there, and they don't like outsiders.
USMC 2000 - 2020

robtmc

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2020, 07:56:52 PM »
PS.  All those Californians moving to AZ are really screwing it up.
I'm sure Inspector made the best choice he could given the medical issues his family faced,
But AZ would not be my first choice.
Maybe not, but a few of us can be a counterweight to those Calif liberals that bring their attitudes.

In Yavapai county where I am looking, it is not at all like Phoenix politically.   Granted, Phoenix is a monster in the state like LA/SF, Portland, etc.   But the outlying counties have a much stronger individualistic background.

Better to live out what years I have left in an area not feeling like I am behind enemy lines as here.  My smattering of tactical gear makes my wife nervous as well.

"What do you need this for?"   She does not like my answer.

6716J

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #28 on: June 29, 2020, 07:28:20 AM »
All else...make your own

https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/akf3lq/100_diy_ar15_30_round_magazine_project_update/



After several months of experimentation, and three months of trials on my 'final' design, I am finally satisfied with my printed mags.

Every part is made from raw components - the body, follower, and baseplate/locking plate are printed, the spring is hand wound from .059" music wire on a 3d printable bending jig that I also developed. A standard capacity mag is available to anyone with a printer, square-edge file, and two pair of pliers.

I've been using DIY mags for three months now, and have yet to have on of the final designs fail. The one pictured has been through 300 rounds without issue.

Total cost to DIY everything pictured is 13 bucks.

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.

6716J

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #29 on: June 29, 2020, 07:30:16 AM »
As long as they keep making laws that infringe on peoples rights, the people will find a way around them. They won't care if they are legal or not, they will do things to protect their families and property. The government be damned.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.

tillamook

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #30 on: June 29, 2020, 09:17:02 AM »
All else...make your own

https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/akf3lq/100_diy_ar15_30_round_magazine_project_update/



After several months of experimentation, and three months of trials on my 'final' design, I am finally satisfied with my printed mags.

Every part is made from raw components - the body, follower, and baseplate/locking plate are printed, the spring is hand wound from .059" music wire on a 3d printable bending jig that I also developed. A standard capacity mag is available to anyone with a printer, square-edge file, and two pair of pliers.

I've been using DIY mags for three months now, and have yet to have on of the final designs fail. The one pictured has been through 300 rounds without issue.

Total cost to DIY everything pictured is 13 bucks.

Are you following on the det_disp keybase?  They are up to ~20 or so printable firearms and receivers.  How-to rifling steel tubes and even details about how to make 9mm in heavily restricted European countries (which Hawaii is close to now).

Rocky

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #31 on: June 29, 2020, 09:53:29 AM »
Photographic evidence of my windowed, non-windowed and steel  30 rnd  mags possessed  pre ban.




“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

zippz

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #32 on: June 29, 2020, 10:04:53 AM »
I bought a lot of mags, mainly to replace my existing ones and for rifles I'll be buying soon.  I don't have an extensive amount of mags cause I figure if it's a SHTF situation where I need more than 5 magazines of ammo I figure I'll either be dead by then or things are so bad that life's not worth living at that point.

drck1000

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #33 on: June 29, 2020, 10:24:32 AM »
Photographic evidence of my windowed, non-windowed and steel  30 rnd  mags possessed  pre ban.

Gotta put the newspaper in the pics, just like ransom pics.   ;D

I have a bunch of mags that I bought over the years, usually ahead of threats of bans or restrictions starting over 10 years ago.  I was also able to get on awesome deals after people hoarded up mags and then sold off after prices dropped.  I typically bust out new mags here and there for training, but I haven't done so in a while since I have a number of training mags that I rotate through.  I've also bought mags over the years to try and they still going strong.  The Lancer AWM mags are one that I really have come to like, particularly for classes.  Overall, quality UGSI mags are my favorite. 

Mags are disposable items and they wear, get busted up, etc.  I have some mags that have started to show signs of needing to be replaced.  It's the number of mags in reserve to replace the "in use" mags that is important to me. 

Rocky

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #34 on: June 29, 2020, 10:30:41 AM »
Gotta put the newspaper in the pics, just like ransom pics.   ;D

 Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #32 on: Today at 09:53:29 AM »
Photographic evidence of my windowed, non-windowed and steel  30 rnd  mags possessed  pre ban.

I have a bunch of mags that I bought over the years, usually ahead of threats of bans or restrictions starting over 10 years ago.  I was also able to get on awesome deals after people hoarded up mags and then sold off after prices dropped.  I typically bust out new mags here and there for training, but I haven't done so in a while since I have a number of training mags that I rotate through.  I've also bought mags over the years to try and they still going strong.  The Lancer AWM mags are one that I really have come to like, particularly for classes.  Overall, quality UGSI mags are my favorite. 

Mags are disposable items and they wear, get busted up, etc.  I have some mags that have started to show signs of needing to be replaced.
Duct tape.   :rofl:
 It's the number of mags in reserve to replace the "in use" mags that is important to me.
Those are my "Reserve mags".  :thumbsup:
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

drck1000

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #35 on: June 29, 2020, 10:46:12 AM »
Mags are disposable items and they wear, get busted up, etc.  I have some mags that have started to show signs of needing to be replaced.
Duct tape.   :rofl:
 It's the number of mags in reserve to replace the "in use" mags that is important to me.
Those are my "Reserve mags".  :thumbsup:
One sign of wear is where you take a fully loaded mag and give it a whack from the bottom and the top round pops out.  Not a big deal for the methods we've been taught, or at least exposed to.  But I have seen it cause problems, albeit rare instances.  Other than that, I've thought about replacing the springs and followers on some of my oldest mags, but I actually want to see how they continue to "age".  None have been giving me problems, so good test case.  That and I add fresh mags into the mix every so often, to the point where it might be a while between uses of some of my older mags. 

Every so often a couple of buddies on the mainland have a mass order and they cut me in on some of the deals.  It's been a while since the last one.  Maybe I'll hit them up to see what's up.  :hmm:


Flapp_Jackson

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #36 on: June 29, 2020, 12:03:50 PM »
I wonder ...

The HI Prosecutor's office has never weighed in on the legality of >10rd AR-15 mags being included in the ban that applies to pistol mags.

 If this new ban is passed, and we have to present our >10rd mags for registration, will those mags be confiscated based on HPD's new policy based on the existing HRS ban on >10rd "pistol" mags? 

Catch 22 time: 
"Your >10rd rifle mags are grandfathered, just bring them in to be registered." 
"Oh, that's an AR mag.  It was already banned, so no grandfathering for these illegal mags.  Do you want this bag back?"

It's been argued on here in the past that the law is clear re: AR mags.  However, overlapping laws blur the lines between semi-auto AR pistols that accept removable mags being legal and whether that law negates the mag capacity limit for AR rifles.

This new law is about to reopen that can of worms IMO.  If the bill is defeated, I can see activists pushing the original law to ban these mags anyway by forcing an official interpretation of the law and increased enforcement.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #37 on: June 29, 2020, 12:28:26 PM »
I wonder ...

The HI Prosecutor's office has never weighed in on the legality of >10rd AR-15 mags being included in the ban that applies to pistol mags.

 If this new ban is passed, and we have to present our >10rd mags for registration, will those mags be confiscated based on HPD's new policy based on the existing HRS ban on >10rd "pistol" mags? 

Catch 22 time: 
"Your >10rd rifle mags are grandfathered, just bring them in to be registered." 
"Oh, that's an AR mag.  It was already banned, so no grandfathering for these illegal mags.  Do you want this bag back?"

It's been argued on here in the past that the law is clear re: AR mags.  However, overlapping laws blur the lines between semi-auto AR pistols that accept removable mags being legal and whether that law negates the mag capacity limit for AR rifles.

This new law is about to reopen that can of worms IMO.  If the bill is defeated, I can see activists pushing the original law to ban these mags anyway by forcing an official interpretation of the law and increased enforcement.

Correct if wrong, but HRS defines what an assault pistol is (AR pistol).  This is why some cannot have a detachable magazine, or must block the gas port, etc...

 And in current law it states "inserted into a pistol".  Not "assault pistol".  So g2g. That's why for the bill, they crossed out "pistol" and replaced it with "firearm".

And the former prosecutor (Kaneshiro) stated during an interview that he will not enforce AR mags. 

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #38 on: June 29, 2020, 04:56:53 PM »
Correct if wrong, but HRS defines what an assault pistol is (AR pistol).  This is why some cannot have a detachable magazine, or must block the gas port, etc...

 And in current law it states "inserted into a pistol".  Not "assault pistol".  So g2g. That's why for the bill, they crossed out "pistol" and replaced it with "firearm".

And the former prosecutor (Kaneshiro) stated during an interview that he will not enforce AR mags.

#1 - tying the mag capacity of rifles to pistols was a stupid thing to do at all.  It should have been struck from the law long ago -- or never added to start with.  The crossing out of pistol and replacing with firearm was to do away with this illogical relationship someone decided was reasonable long ago.  That part I actually agree with.  Unless they can publish a list of rifles allowed to have >10 rd mags, or a list of the rifles that can't, it's stupid to leave it up to the owner to know if such an arbitrary and ambiguous clause applies to his specific rifle.  Look at the Ruger 10/22.  A good example where the pistol is sold here now, but wasn't always.  People still can buy the 25 rd mags for their rifles, though.  Too confusing and unenforced/unenforceable.  Yeah, it's rimfire vs, centerfire, but nothing in the law addresses that, either.

#2 - Splitting hairs with definitions is not going to be "good to go" at all.  Is a semi-auto assault-style rifle no longer classified as a rifle? A pistol which accepts a removable mag is still a pistol no matter how many other adjectives you shove before the name. 

#3 - The gray area is that in Hawaii, you have to (a) weld the mag into the magwell (no longer detachable) or (b) disable the gas system (no longer a semi-auto).  Regardless, the fact is, the pistol still exists, can be legally owned and can accept detachable mags if configured as non-semi-auto.  Hence, you could insert your 30rd AR mag from your rifle into your manually operated AR pistol.  The laws are written very poorly and create confusion when applied to reality.  I'm just pointing out that the HDF researched it, and their opinion is that the law is clear -- AR mags over 10 rounds are illegal in HI.

Not my opinion.  I'm just pointing out that the matter is far from settled legally.

BTW, if the pistol mag is welded/epoxied, then the 10rd rule doesn't apply to it.   :thumbsup:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Glasser

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #39 on: June 29, 2020, 06:44:15 PM »
Photographic evidence of my windowed, non-windowed and steel  30 rnd  mags possessed  pre ban.





I wonder if I can take mine to the bank and get them notarized