HB2744: redefines AR-15 upper as "firearm"? (Read 3242 times)

rpoL98

HB2744: redefines AR-15 upper as "firearm"?
« on: July 10, 2020, 11:35:27 PM »
in addition to establishing a commission to study gun violence, ban 80% firearms,

establishes a new definition of:
      "Firearm receiver" means the part of a firearm that provides housing for the firearm's internal components, including a hammer, bolt, breechblock, action, or firing mechanism.

I know this follows upon the ATF conundrum, but allows mischievious interpretation by Hawaii's anti-2A, anti-gun lawmakers, law enforcers?  since the AR upper receiver houses the bolt.

just playing devil's advocate here.


also, new definition of firearm receiver:
     "Firearm receiver" includes any object or part that is not a firearm frame or receiver in finished form but that is designed or intended to be used for that purpose and may readily be made into a firearm frame or receiver through milling or other means."

could be used to described a block of aluminum, 0% receiver, since it can be readily milled...  I don't think this language works.

what a can of worms.

rpoL98

Re: HB2744: redefines AR-15 upper as "firearm"?
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2020, 12:23:12 AM »
let me add to this.

if interpreted as such, then AR-15 upper receivers, stripped or assembled, would have to be purchased through FFL, serialized, and registered, which implies the whole "permit to acquire" rigamarole.  Furthermore, everybody with an unregistered AR upper is instantly criminalized.

of course Karl Roads is perfectly fine with this, probably has a smirk on his face.  Probably his undisclosed intent.

I think this is why the ATF dropped the case in CA with the guy, push a button, mill a lower.
« Last Edit: July 11, 2020, 12:29:19 AM by rpoL98 »

hvybarrels

Re: HB2744: redefines AR-15 upper as "firearm"?
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2020, 04:22:01 PM »
I did not do a deep dive into the particulars but by the language used in the bill is problematic for many reasons. A block of aluminum or plastic would be considered illegal based on intent, and the status of other standard upgrade/replacement parts are vague at best.

Thanks for pointing out this goof which would certainly get the whole thing shot down in appeals court and stick the taxpayers with a large and unnecessary legal bill.

Ige is still a bean counter at heart and budgetary arguments have swayed him in the past.
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idespisecryptomining

Re: HB2744: redefines AR-15 upper as "firearm"?
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2020, 11:33:36 AM »
There is one school of thought, that the lower doesnt shoot, andnit too, shouldnt be registered.  If you separate the halves, neither will function. Symbiotic relationship. Old Gene Stoner was legendary.

Registration is an infringement! Leads to confiscation orders.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: HB2744: redefines AR-15 upper as "firearm"?
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2020, 02:01:10 PM »
Rather than making the law better through more accurately specifying that a receiver is either a single component OR the portion of a split receiver which contains the fire control group, they opted to make the law WORSE.

It's worse because they will now have to register ONE rifle TWICE, since the 2 "halves" of every single AR style rile will need TWO SERIAL NUMBERS, and all uppers bought separately will also need serial numbers.  Manufacturers don't mark uppers like that, so now the HI buyer has to waste time, money and effort doing it.

It's a solution that addresses no real problems.  Just because the rules are bad doesn't mean you take the opportunity to make owners jump through even more hoops.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

robtmc

Re: HB2744: redefines AR-15 upper as "firearm"?
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2020, 07:32:03 PM »
Mebbe time to buy some uppers to stash away?   Not all that expensive and no FFL needed at this time.

6716J

Re: HB2744: redefines AR-15 upper as "firearm"?
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2020, 07:46:20 PM »




It's a solution that addresses no real problems.  Just because the rules are bad doesn't mean you take the opportunity to make owners jump through even more hoops.

Oh you funny... you should know they would do anything to make our lives harder

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idespisecryptomining

Re: HB2744: redefines AR-15 upper as "firearm"?
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2020, 01:11:49 PM »
Who keeps voting for these people??

Wchiro

Re: HB2744: redefines AR-15 upper as "firearm"?
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2020, 03:36:18 PM »
Who keeps voting for these people??

People who don't know SH_T!