Please post the post where I hijacked the thread.

You posted a bunch of nonsense and I hijacked the thread? 
Apparently you’ll never understand the stupidity, hypocrisy and inconsistency of never answering a direct question you couldn’t Google.
 

 THIS SHIT IS SERIOUS !
We could have to engrave and register our uppers !
Shit did it pass ? It’s after midnight 7/14

Getting emotional isn't going to solve anything.  Nor is trolling me.

But you couldn't care less.  You're doing exactly what makes you feel better.

Screaming at the sky.   

if you sent the guvnor a VETO request, you woulda gotten an auto-reply like so:

"Dear Mr. rpoL98.

Thank you for writing to me regarding legislation that is of importance to you. All bills passed during the 2020 legislative session will be transmitted to me for approval or veto. I will have ten session days to make decisions on bills that are passed on or prior to June 23, 2020. I will have until the veto deadline of September 15, 2020 for any bills that are enrolled in my office after June 23.

For bills I have not yet approved or vetoed, I will be considering public comments submitted prior to the veto deadline.

The Notice of Intent to Veto deadline (August 31, 2020) is the last day I can send a notice to the legislature that I am considering a veto on any bills not yet approved.

However, if a bill is on the intent-to-veto list, that does not mean I will veto it. I can also sign it or decide to let it become law without my signature.

If a bill that has been passed is not on the intent-to-veto list, it will become law, with or without my approval, after September 15, 2020.

Please consult the legislature’s website at: <a href="http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/">http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/</a> for status updates on bills passed during the 2020 legislative session.

Thank you again for taking the time to share your thoughts with me.

Aloha,
Governor David Ige"

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notice that the COVID-era updated VETO deadline is Sept 15th, vice the pre-COVID deadline of July 14th.  However, the deadline for NOTICE OF INTENT TO VETO is August 31st.  If all this is new news to you, then get off your ass and ask the guvnor to VETO this bill.

https://governor.hawaii.gov/contact-us/comments-on-legislation/

 

done

if you sent the guvnor a VETO request, you woulda gotten an auto-reply like so:

"Dear Mr. rpoL98.

Thank you for writing to me regarding legislation that is of importance to you. All bills passed during the 2020 legislative session will be transmitted to me for approval or veto. I will have ten session days to make decisions on bills that are passed on or prior to June 23, 2020. I will have until the veto deadline of September 15, 2020 for any bills that are enrolled in my office after June 23.

For bills I have not yet approved or vetoed, I will be considering public comments submitted prior to the veto deadline.

The Notice of Intent to Veto deadline (August 31, 2020) is the last day I can send a notice to the legislature that I am considering a veto on any bills not yet approved.

However, if a bill is on the intent-to-veto list, that does not mean I will veto it. I can also sign it or decide to let it become law without my signature.

If a bill that has been passed is not on the intent-to-veto list, it will become law, with or without my approval, after September 15, 2020.

Please consult the legislature’s website at: <a href="http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/">http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/</a> for status updates on bills passed during the 2020 legislative session.

Thank you again for taking the time to share your thoughts with me.

Aloha,
Governor David Ige"

===============================

notice that the COVID-era updated VETO deadline is Sept 15th, vice the pre-COVID deadline of July 14th.  However, the deadline for NOTICE OF INTENT TO VETO is August 31st.  If all this is new news to you, then get off your ass and ask the guvnor to VETO this bill.

https://governor.hawaii.gov/contact-us/comments-on-legislation/

 

 
Good burn sir...

Sending emails to the bill sponsors asking how one goes about serializing and registering an AR upper before the bill is signed so that one does not become a felon overnight.  Only response so far was a staffer for Creagan who suggested asking a different representative since it appears that sponsoring a bill does not mean they understand it. 

Another Snowflake hijacking the thread, then posting the Stop Jack emoticon.

So typical.

You talk like you know all the answers -- for someone who's "not an expert."   

Thanks again for reminding me why this character is blocked.   No time for fools.

That definition is an exact copy and paste of the federal definition of a firearm (Hawaii uses Federal definitions and ATF guidance for almost all definitions).

It is the same definition of a firearm that Hawaii already uses. So I doubt anything will change.

But who knows if HPD and state Attorney General will continue to apply the established definition or if they will make up their own additional “policies” and “interpretation“ like they always do.

Done.
Damn the reply comes generic and fast.

I just told him the law is redundant as receivers are already registered and possession of an unregistered gun is already illegal.
(In 250 characters or less. Hit my limit though and had to edit.)

That definition is an exact copy and paste of the federal definition of a firearm (Hawaii uses Federal definitions and ATF guidance for almost all definitions).

It is the same definition of a firearm that Hawaii already uses. So I doubt anything will change.

But who knows if HPD and state Attorney General will continue to apply the established definition or if they will make up their own additional “policies” and “interpretation“ like they always do.

understand.  And the ATF has sort of avoided the issue, upper vs lower, which is the FFL-required firearm.  People suspect that's why they dropped the case about the California guy doing the "push a button, was an 80% lower, now out pops your finished milled lower receiver".

But worried about if Hawaii now has the definition included in HRS, instead of saying "we do whatever the ATF does", they can now make up their own additional polices and interpretation, as you mention.  Don't want to discover that suddenly Brownells will no longer ship a Aero stripped upper to Hawaii, because ... Hawaii.

Better to not have a faulty definition codified as Hawaii law.

understand.  And the ATF has sort of avoided the issue, upper vs lower, which is the FFL-required firearm.  People suspect that's why they dropped the case about the California guy doing the "push a button, was an 80% lower, now out pops your finished milled lower receiver".

But worried about if Hawaii now has the definition included in HRS, instead of saying "we do whatever the ATF does", they can now make up their own additional polices and interpretation, as you mention.  Don't want to discover that suddenly Brownells will no longer ship a Aero stripped upper to Hawaii, because ... Hawaii.

Better to not have a faulty definition codified as Hawaii law.

The same definition of a firearm is already in the Hawaii Laws. It is just repeating the definition. The only thing we have to worry about is interpretation of this law. If they wanted to be strict. Any little part (spring, barrel, pin etc) that could be used to build an 80% firearm could be controlled/outlawed.

The same definition of a firearm is already in the Hawaii Laws. It is just repeating the definition. The only thing we have to worry about is interpretation of this law. If they wanted to be strict. Any little part (spring, barrel, pin etc) that could be used to build an 80% firearm could be controlled/outlawed.

thanks.
now I feel like The Village Idiot. admitted.  owned.  should I ask the mods to delete this thread?   

There’s a bunch of us standing next to you.
At least I emailed the Governor about these redundant laws that are trying to make illegal crap illegal.
What a waste of time and political grandstanding.

Getting emotional isn't going to solve anything.  Nor is trolling me.
But you couldn't care less.  You're doing exactly what makes you feel better.
Screaming at the sky.   

Check out Man of Many Names ( Snowflapp’s) reply to my comments.
Same old crap.
Attack, divert, not answer anything and move the shell.

And tell RobDmc I said what’s up.
He doesn’t know what he’s missing.

Figured I could derail the thread now. 
 

thanks.
now I feel like The Village Idiot. admitted.  owned.  should I ask the mods to delete this thread?   

No no, good stuff to post here.  Thanks for posting it  The legislators obviously dont know what they hell they are doing either and we need to ask them about this stuff.   Why have something legally defined wrong and then no one follow it?  It undermines all of their laws and we need to make it clear that they cant even do their part time job well.   If they are the highest paid legislators in the US, they need to at least be held accountable for doing a terrible job.   

I just railed on my legislator for funding a gun commission while in my area we just lost 7 physicians.  The state just fired 2 psychiatrists on the big island (leaving one state psychiatrist) because of lack of funding.   A gun commission is a priority and not psychiatrists? 

No no, good stuff to post here.  Thanks for posting it  The legislators obviously dont know what they hell they are doing either and we need to ask them about this stuff.   Why have something legally defined wrong and then no one follow it?  It undermines all of their laws and we need to make it clear that they cant even do their part time job well.   If they are the highest paid legislators in the US, they need to at least be held accountable for doing a terrible job.   

I just railed on my legislator for funding a gun commission while in my area we just lost 7 physicians.  The state just fired 2 psychiatrists on the big island (leaving one state psychiatrist) because of lack of funding.   A gun commission is a priority and not psychiatrists?

I have $1000 that says one of the first things any gun commission recommends is better mental health treatment -- just like every other so-called "Gun Crime" or "Gun Violence" commission, Senate Hearing, or Town Hall has called for. 

Any takers?    

thanks.
now I feel like The Village Idiot. admitted.  owned.  should I ask the mods to delete this thread?   

No it’s a good post with good content and input from people. I am just trying to emphasize that what this law comes down to isn’t the definitions, since those are already pre-established. What it comes down to is Honolulu AG and PD interpretation and policy in how they enforce the law. Which as many of us know is ridiculous. They just come up with rules and additional policies and interpretations of rules at will and change them on a damn near daily basis. Most thing the AG decides not to rule on, and just gives HPD carte Blanche to just do whatever they want.

If HPD decides to say any spring or pin could technically be used to build an 80% firearm we would all be pretty screwed.

This law is redundant and makes building unregistered firearms (which is already illegal in this state) even more illegal. The only real change I see is that law abiding citizens like us lose the option of being able to build and register our own 80% firearms. And it makes buying/ordering new 80% frames illegal in the state (which I think was the primary goal of the bill). As always criminals will find ways around these laws easily.