So had my reg appointment today for 3 pistols at 1130.......but ogc is closed due one guy had training on the mainland. The other guy had food poisoning and Carter is no where to seen fukn thanks guys with the reg out 3 months guess I'll be one of those guys trying to register with an ancient permit to aquire.

Anybody else get oofed today

Sorry to hear about your troubles--between the bad parking and short staffing with little to no notification it's no wonder I haven't been there in a few years.  They had lots of stuff and prices were good but too much humbug.

FWIW everytime I've driven by a different LGS there were always guys standing/sitting in the hot sun waiting to get in.  I guess I'm turning into a grumpy old man

Yes Mac, it's ALWAYS about me....

Dang!  I never would have considered that. 

Guess now have to plan to pickup toys a few days before registering.....just in case

I tried to go to OGC once upon a time to buy ammo.  Closest legal parking I could find was about 5 blocks away.  I wasn't about to carry boxes of ammo that far to save a few dollars.  KGS and Young Guns have just ok parking.  SEC is pretty bad, OGC parking is the worse.  On the BI, Stuebs, Tokunaga and J Hara all have good and adequate parking.  Not having good parking for a business is a killer.

I always expect to park on Auiki St....so I bring a hand truck when buying ammo from OGC

I would be a little bummed if I walked a long way and they were closed and had to do that long walk back empty handed.

I love ammo from Kaleo Arms.  No need drive, no need walk far.  Only con is I’m getting fatter.

Dang!  I never would have considered that. 

Guess now have to plan to pickup toys a few days before registering.....just in case

This is almost an impossible task with how the appointment system is setup right now  to get both to line up within the 5 day window. I got lucky I think when I did mine originally, which turned out to be moot lol

This is almost an impossible task with how the appointment system is setup right now  to get both to line up within the 5 day window. I got lucky I think when I did mine originally, which turned out to be moot lol

Correctomundo.  Caldwells proclamation waived the 5 day window.  It's more of a as soon as possible, which is unknown at this time.

Not changing anytime soon

The system as we have it now won't be changing. I've been writing all the legislators, the Mayor, Ige, the AGs office and generally anyone I can annoy.

Here is the response from HPD and the Chiefs office

Correctomundo.  Caldwells proclamation waived the 5 day window.  It's more of a as soon as possible, which is unknown at this time.

 

  thanks for this info! Must have missed it. Didn't appreciate being a criminal after five days (no fault of my own). Weird thing one of my pistol permits is for a private sale. Only that one had an adhered pic in the lower corner THAT WASNT ME. after confirming everything else was correct in the permit he just tore the pic off and scribbled I hope to be his initials in the now raggedy looking blank square. Hope firearm guys don't give me a hard time when I register.

I gave him the eyebrow raise when he did it. "Third one today, I don't know whats going on with the records guys." Is what he said

 

  thanks for this info! Must have missed it. Didn't appreciate being a criminal after five days (no fault of my own). Weird thing one of my pistol permits is for a private sale. Only that one had an adhered pic in the lower corner THAT WASNT ME. after confirming everything else was correct in the permit he just tore the pic off and scribbled I hope to be his initials in the now raggedy looking blank square. Hope firearm guys don't give me a hard time when I register.

I gave him the eyebrow raise when he did it. "Third one today, I don't know whats going on with the records guys." Is what he said

It always irks me to hear how these registration systems will "solve crimes", but stories like this demonstrate that the system they force on us is, and always has been, broken.  It just takes one defense lawyer to find out about these "I don't know whats going on with the records guys" comments to put the whole HPD registration and investigation process in doubt -- doubt that could let a guilty man escape prison.

 

Of course, I'm only worried about the "non-administrative" criminals walking free.     Those of us who owned the wrong mag or missed the registration appointment should use every one of these stories to put the system on trial.

So had my reg appointment today for 3 pistols at 1130.......but ogc is closed due one guy had training on the mainland. The other guy had food poisoning and Carter is no where to seen fukn thanks guys with the reg out 3 months guess I'll be one of those guys trying to register with an ancient permit to aquire.

Anybody else get oofed today

As soon as brad reported sick I applied for Covid exemption, navigated the process, flew in Thursday and opened Friday.  So whatever creeping crud Brad got only closed us for two days.  Unless someone waited for the last day of permit window which I don’t think we ran into, we had a couple of customers affected by missing their registration appt and having to reschedule which is already decriminalized.

I can’t apparently apologize enough but I took immediate action to get the shop open because of our customers permits. 

Instead we get bashed yet again.

I can’t apparently apologize enough but I took immediate action to get the shop open because of our customers permits. 

Instead we get bashed yet again.

Glad your staff is okay and things are returning to normal. I got a fever last night and spent too much time imagining myself on a ventilator. The wuflu does not seem like a big deal, but it can suddenly get very real especially when it comes to possibly spreading it to others. Good on you for getting out in front of the situation, and posting the updates on your website and Twitter to keep your customers in the loop.

So had my reg appointment today for 3 pistols at 1130.......but ogc is closed due one guy had training on the mainland. The other guy had food poisoning and Carter is no where to seen fukn thanks guys with the reg out 3 months guess I'll be one of those guys trying to register with an ancient permit to aquire.

Anybody else get oofed today

Thats why i stopped buying hand guns until this whole mess clears up. but long guns at least they let you take it home even though your registration is far away. The only thing is that you cant shoot it until you register it which is 100% fine with me.

Thats why i stopped buying hand guns until this whole mess clears up. but long guns at least they let you take it home even though your registration is far away. The only thing is that you cant shoot it until you register it which is 100% fine with me.

Based on what?  Someone at HPD said so?

That's not stated in any statute.  in fact, the registration penalties are all suspended until further notice.

They can't prevent you from legally using a legally acquired firearm. They already made you get a permit application appointment however long that took.  Then they made you wait another 2 weeks to pick up the permit.  I would say you've waited well beyond whatever waiting period's purpose might have been.  Now that the firearm is in your possession, registration is the final mandated BS step. 

if the state can't offer registrations within the 5 day limit BY LAW, then it is the STATE that's breaking the law, not the gun buyer.

As I said before, "I've been unable to get a reservation to register" should be all anyone has to say to whomever might question you.

Is the RSO checking for registrations?  I don't believe so.

§134-17  Penalties.  (a)  If any person gives false information or offers false evidence of the person's identity in complying with any of the requirements of this part, that person shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, provided, however that if any person intentionally gives false information or offers false evidence concerning their psychiatric or criminal history in complying with any of the requirements of this part, that person shall be guilty of a class C felony.

    (b)  Any person who violates section 134-3(a) shall be guilty of a petty misdemeanor.

     (c)  Any person who violates section 134-2, 134-4, 134-10, 134-15, or 134-16(a) shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.  Any person who violates section 134-3(b) shall be guilty of a petty misdemeanor and the firearm shall be confiscated as contraband and disposed of, if the firearm is not registered within five days of the person receiving notice of the violation. [L 1988, c 275, pt of §2; am L 1994, c 204, §9]

§134-3  Registration, mandatory, exceptions.  (a)  Every person arriving in the State who brings or by any other manner causes to be brought into the State a firearm of any description, whether usable or unusable, serviceable or unserviceable, modern or antique, shall register the firearm within five days after arrival of the person or of the firearm, whichever arrives later, with the chief of police of the county of the person's place of business or, if there is no place of business, the person's residence or, if there is neither a place of business nor residence, the person's place of sojourn. A nonresident alien may bring firearms not otherwise prohibited by law into the State for a continuous period not to exceed ninety days; provided that the person meets the registration requirement of this section and the person possesses:

     (1)  A valid Hawaii hunting license procured under chapter 183D, part II, or a commercial or private shooting preserve permit issued pursuant to section 183D-34;

     (2)  A written document indicating the person has been invited to the State to shoot on private land; or

     (3)  Written notification from a firing range or target shooting business indicating that the person will actually engage in target shooting.

The nonresident alien shall be limited to a nontransferable registration of not more than ten firearms for the purpose of the above activities.

     Every person registering a firearm under this subsection shall be fingerprinted and photographed by the police department of the county of registration; provided that this requirement shall be waived where fingerprints and photographs are already on file with the police department.  The police department shall perform an inquiry on the person by using the International Justice and Public Safety Network, including the United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement query, the National Crime Information Center, and the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, pursuant to section 846-2.7 before any determination to register a firearm is made.

§134-3  (b)  Every person who acquires a firearm pursuant to section 134-2 shall register the firearm in the manner prescribed by this section within five days of acquisition.  The registration shall be on forms prescribed by the attorney general, which shall be uniform throughout the State, and shall include the following information:  name of the manufacturer and importer; model; type of action; caliber or gauge; serial number; and source from which receipt was obtained, including the name and address of the prior registrant.  If the firearm has no serial number, the permit number shall be entered in the space provided for the serial number, and the permit number shall be engraved upon the receiver portion of the firearm before registration.  All registration data that would identify the individual registering the firearm by name or address shall be confidential and shall not be disclosed to anyone, except as may be required:

     (1)  For processing the registration;

     (2)  For database management by the Hawaii criminal justice data center;

     (3)  By a law enforcement agency for the lawful performance of its duties; or

     (4)  By order of a court.

Technically, everyone is in violation of the registration law if they exceed the 5 days. 

Nothing says you can't use your new firearm in the 5 days between acquisition and registration in normal times.  Unless otherwise mandated by law or an official state order, using the gun while it's waiting to be registered is not prohibited.

Imagine a hunter comes to town for a weekend hunting trip.  They arrive Thursday, hunt Friday-Sunday, and departs Monday.  He never registers the gun, because the 5-day rule didn't expire while in Hawaii.  Was he really not allowed to use his firearm to hunt?

Just FYI.
Unregistered firearms are prohibited at the Kokohead shooting range.
At least that’s what it says on their website.


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Just FYI.
Unregistered firearms are prohibited at the Kokohead shooting range.
At least that’s what it says on their website.

And ..... once again ..... have the RSOs ever asked anyone to produce a registration form? 

Good luck to anyone trying to enforce that.


The website also states:  "The following items are unlawful to own or possess.." and then lists unregistered pistols and long guns if not grandfathered.

That's a false statement.  The time that passes between acquiring a firearm and registering it would make you a criminal for the mere act of "owning or possessing" before registering.  Yet, it's an impossibility to own or possess a firearm until after registering it.

Classic "Catch 22."

Based on that interpretation, the Cops at the registration window could cuff everyone who walks in to register a firearm for possession of an unregistered firearm.

It's very difficult to play an Internet lawyer when the the laws are so poorly crafted.

And ..... once again ..... have the RSOs ever asked anyone to produce a registration form? 

Good luck to anyone trying to enforce that.


The website also states:  "The following items are unlawful to own or possess.." and then lists unregistered pistols and long guns if not grandfathered.

That's a false statement.  The time that passes between acquiring a firearm and registering it would make you a criminal for the mere act of "owning or possessing" before registering.  Yet, it's an impossibility to own or possess a firearm after registering it.

Classic "Catch 22."

Based on that interpretation, the Cops at the registration window could cuff everyone who walks in to register a firearm for possession of an unregistered firearm.

It's very difficult to play an Internet lawyer when the the laws are so poorly crafted.

Think we ought to be careful otherwise the PRH will make it mandatory to show proof of registration before shooting .... the trolls are among us!

Just FYI.
Unregistered firearms are prohibited at the Kokohead shooting range.
At least that’s what it says on their website.


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What about those firearms that were never registered and were grandfathered prior to the idiotic mandatory registration (can’t remember the date)?  Can’t shoot them? Hmmmmmmmmm

What about those firearms that were never registered and were grandfathered prior to the idiotic mandatory registration (can’t remember the date)?  Can’t shoot them? Hmmmmmmmmm

Here's the exact text on the website:

The following items are unlawful to own or possess and should NOT be brought to the
Koko Head Shooting Complex:

1.   Fully auto firearms, 134-8a **

2.   Unregistered handguns, 134-3b *

3.   Unregistered long guns acquired after 6/30/94, 134-3 *

http://khsc.info/index.php/prohibited/

Again, if you ACQUIRE a firearm from an FFL, you OWN IT, even if you haven't taken possession.  You already paid the FFL for the gun before you applied for the handgun permit.  Long guns are different if you already have the permit, of course.  You have 5 days AFTER you take possession to register.  Given the state of the registration process now, you would be guilty of violating this firearm statute for the MONTHS it might take you to register after taking possession PLUS the time between paying for the gun and applying for a permit PLUS the 2 weeks you waited for the permit PLUS the time it took you to go get the gun with your permit ... all of it regardless of whether or not you take it to the range.

Just sayin (again).