Another humdinger - What if Biden wins? (Read 11935 times)

aieahound

Re: Another humdinger - What if Biden wins?
« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2020, 10:52:32 AM »
Sucks we don’t get to vote for President in Hawaii.
Already decided before our polls close.

And we know where our electoral votes are going no matter how we vote.

groveler

Re: Another humdinger - What if Biden wins?
« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2020, 10:58:22 AM »
I don't think much will change. He will support more liberal policies of course but he isn't some extreme left person who is going to move the country significantly. People predicted doom and gloom when Obama became president but not that much changed in the grand scheme of things.

Will the military escort Trump out of the White House? I don't see why. Even if Trump lost and somehow threw a fit and refused to leave the military wouldn't be the ones to get involved. Secret service would probably kick him out.

I am not worried there would be a civil war, at least not on some big national scale. Trump would really have to foment a lot of hate and convince people the election was rigged for it to get that far. Not saying it couldn't happen but I think it would take quite a lot to get that bad in 6 months.
I would expect a big change in state boarders and possible secession's.
If you have seen what rural Oregon is petitioning for,  to join Idaho, it is significant.
If Biden gets elected, I'd expect a rise of "City states" as us rural people cease to serve
those cities as it is no longer in our best interest to do so.
I think my Island could do just fine without Honolulu.
Jones act and Young brothers is the reason most everything comes through Honolulu.
My Diesel comes from Canada,  Most all the Oahu refinery diesel is
used to generate electricity.
Much of my gasoline comes from a port in California.
Other than some fuel I don't need a damned thing from Honolulu.
So why should I pay you taxes?
Once we start to Balkanize it will be unstoppable.
My island is named Hawaii, the rest of the islands should be named
The state of Honolulu.









Flapp_Jackson

Re: Another humdinger - What if Biden wins?
« Reply #22 on: July 24, 2020, 11:33:11 AM »
I don't think voter fraud for president is much of an issue.  Even if 100% of Maxine Waters district voted for Trump, you think she will cast a vote for him in the electoral college?  Same goes with all the other DNC reps who hate him.

Maxine doesn't get to cast a vote for President in the electoral college.  That's not how the EC works.

When you vote for a President, you're really voting for a "slate" of electors from your state.  If the Republican ticket wins, then the slate of GOP electors selected by the Republican Party get to go to DC and cast the official electoral ballots.  If the Dem candidates win, then the Dem Party's slate gets to vote.  The electors are usually selected from the pool of big donors or outstanding campaigners as a "reward" for their support.  They try to choose people who are loyal to the party, especially in states where electors are allowed to vote differently than the state's election results indicate they should.

Would someone like Maxine Waters vote for Trump?  If her district voted for Trump, and she refuses to cast her electoral vote that way, depending on state law, she can be replaced by an elector more willing to follow the will of the people.  There were more "faithless electors" in 2016 who voted against Hildabeast than any other election in the last 100 years.  Some were allowed to switch to Trump, and others were simply replaced with people who would vote for Clinton. 

Did you know Hawaii has 4 electoral votes, and in 2016 one actually voted for Trump, and another said she would have done that if she knew she was allowed to vote against the election results (low information elector?)?  Had she switched, our electors would have basically canceled themselves out: 2 (R) vs 2 (D).  As it stood, we effectively cast only 2 electoral votes for Clinton.  The one vote for Trump canceled out the third Clinton elector.

As for the comment that it "sucks we don't get to vote for President in Hawaii," we already know which way the state would vote 99.9% of the time.  I for one am glad Hawaii has almost no influence in electing the President.  Being unable to effect the election is probably a good thing since our voters are so locked into voting Democrat no matter what.  There have been exceptions (Lingle), but they are very few and very far between.  I believe Lingle won because the Dems that year were so F-ed up in their campaign for governor.  Harris was going to run, but then didn't. Mazie wasn't going to run, but then did. The party supported Harris, then waffled on supporting Mazie.  Their indecisiveness cost them the election, I think. We have zero Republicans in the state legislature, and it's not for lack of Republican candidates seeking election.  No, Hawaii can't be trusted to vote for the best qualified candidate.  They vote straight party in every presidential election.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Another humdinger - What if Biden wins?
« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2020, 11:44:21 AM »
I would expect a big change in state boarders and possible secession's.
If you have seen what rural Oregon is petitioning for,  to join Idaho, it is significant.
If Biden gets elected, I'd expect a rise of "City states" as us rural people cease to serve
those cities as it is no longer in our best interest to do so.
I think my Island could do just fine without Honolulu.
Jones act and Young brothers is the reason most everything comes through Honolulu.
My Diesel comes from Canada,  Most all the Oahu refinery diesel is
used to generate electricity.
Much of my gasoline comes from a port in California.
Other than some fuel I don't need a damned thing from Honolulu.
So why should I pay you taxes?
Once we start to Balkanize it will be unstoppable.
My island is named Hawaii, the rest of the islands should be named
The state of Honolulu.

If you want Hawaii Island to be the political and societal center of the state, you guys (generally) have to stop protesting against every major project that creates economic growth (TMT & Superferry?)  The Superferry would have added 2 ports on the Big Island and one on Kauai had the Oahu-to-Maui run been allowed to operate.  I would guess BI protesters would have sprung up had the Superferry continued it's implementation.

It's difficult to take your complaints of Honolulu control seriously when there really isn't a better alternative.  Hawaii Island doesn't have enough infrastructure to provide water and electric to all its residents.  How are they going to take over all state functions for themselves?  When you complain about these kinds of problems, you have to also have an alternative to offer.  Otherwise, it's just bitching.   :shaka:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aieahound

Re: Another humdinger - What if Biden wins?
« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2020, 11:54:16 AM »
 
We have zero Republicans in the state legislature, and it's not for lack of Republican candidates seeking election.

If I’m not mistaken we actually have some Republicans in the State Legislature.

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/members/legislators.aspx?chamber=S

Just not enough.
That’s why the local vote is crucial.

And in the last few Presidential elections, the President was announced before our polls closed.
But interesting you’re glad we have almost no influence in electing the president.
I can see being resigned to understanding we have almost no influence, but glad?
I think it sucks. Right, wrong or indifferent, they should split the electoral votes along the percentages of the popular as much as they can.
Or assign districts to the electoral votes so urban doesn’t dominate.

P.S. I agree with your last post above though.

P.S.S
But what if there is a humdinger and Biden is elected ?
People don’t hate Biden like they hated Hildebeast.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Another humdinger - What if Biden wins?
« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2020, 12:01:57 PM »
If I’m not mistaken we actually have some Republicans in the State Legislature.

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/members/legislators.aspx?chamber=S

Just not enough.
That’s why the local vote is crucial.

And in the last few Presidential elections, the President was announced before our polls closed.
But interesting you’re glad we have almost no influence in electing the president.
I can see being resigned to understanding we have almost no influence, but glad?
I think it sucks. Right, wrong or indifferent, they should split the electoral votes along the percentages of the popular as much as they can.
Or assign districts to the electoral votes so urban doesn’t dominate.

P.S. I agree with your last post above though.

Okay.  So, I'm one midterm election behind.  Shows how much I care about the state's politics. 

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Kurt Fevella is a Republican member of the Hawaii Senate, representing the 19th District since 2018.
He was the first Republican to be elected to the Hawaii Senate since Sam Slom in 2012. As a result of
being the only Republican in the Senate, he is the de facto Minority Leader.

I see we have 5 Rs in the House now.  Thanks, Obama!   :rofl:   :thumbsup:   :geekdanc:

The electoral college was created because the founders knew we could not survive a "popular vote" electorate.  Imagine Illinois, New York and California deciding every election based solely on population density.  Their candidates would be making decisions that affect agriculture, energy production and jobs for everyone, not just the states that elected them.  And campaigning would be targeting only the states with the most voters.  Hawaii would NEVER get any attention, nor have any influence after the election.  Too small to matter.

Nope.  Popular vote is akin to mob rule.  The majority of the population should not be allowed to dictate to the minority every single election.  We are a union of states.  States use popular votes for state and local elections, but for President, it should remain an even and fair distribution of power among the states, not individual popular votes.
« Last Edit: July 24, 2020, 12:09:30 PM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aieahound

Re: Another humdinger - What if Biden wins?
« Reply #26 on: July 24, 2020, 12:09:35 PM »
Yeah.
I knew you’d have to throw an insult in.
Get defensive. Throw out insults. Same M.O.
 Can you have a normal discussion ?
Are you capable ?
My comment was a comment you would have corrected almost any member on. Except with civility.

And I never said pure popular vote. I even mentioned electoral votes in my post.
I understand the electoral college.
But Electoral districts not based on population but geography would make some sense.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Another humdinger - What if Biden wins?
« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2020, 12:12:26 PM »
Yeah.
I knew you’d have to throw an insult in.
Get defensive. Throw out insults. Same M.O.
 Can you have a normal discussion ?
Are you capable ?
My comment was a comment you would have corrected almost any member on. Except with civility.

I insulted you?  I think you're either hung over or need to stop having Budweiser breakfasts.

You're too sensitive, Snowflake.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aieahound

Re: Another humdinger - What if Biden wins?
« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2020, 12:15:18 PM »
Snowflapp,
Will you ever grow up ?

Or will you just change your user name for a fifth time?
(Sorry folks. Softball. Had to smack it.)
 :geekdanc:

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Another humdinger - What if Biden wins?
« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2020, 12:17:33 PM »
Snowflapp,
Will you ever grow up ?

Or will you just change your user name for a fifth time?
(Sorry folks. Softball. Had to smack it.)
 :geekdanc:

Enjoy your trolling, Snowflake.   :crazy:   :stopjack:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

groveler

Re: Another humdinger - What if Biden wins?
« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2020, 12:35:51 PM »
If you want Hawaii Island to be the political and societal center of the state, you guys (generally) have to stop protesting against every major project that creates economic growth (TMT & Superferry?)  The Superferry would have added 2 ports on the Big Island and one on Kauai had the Oahu-to-Maui run been allowed to operate.  I would guess BI protesters would have sprung up had the Superferry continued it's implementation.

It's difficult to take your complaints of Honolulu control seriously when there really isn't a better alternative.  Hawaii Island doesn't have enough infrastructure to provide water and electric to all its residents.  How are they going to take over all state functions for themselves?  When you complain about these kinds of problems, you have to also have an alternative to offer.  Otherwise, it's just bitching.   :shaka:
Flapp,
I think you mis-understand.
I don't want Hawaii island to be the center of the state,
I want it to be separate.
There is only about 200,000 people here, on an island bigger
than all the other 7 put together.
Many of us farm, raise cattle, and are generally
pretty self sufficient if Honolulu laws and rulers
were no longer beating us up and taking money from us.
As for the Superferry I am a big supporter,
But I spent 20+ years riding WASDOT ferries,
Honolulu Liberals did not put in the necessary infrastructure
to support such a system, it will fail if you don't have docks.
parking and various things necessary to run a ferry system
Once again Honolulu Liberals/Democrats are the problem.
The TMT,  I helped do many studies,
and have friends that are working on the project.
The problem once again is Honolulu Democrats.
I would have run a D9 cat over them and their camps.
I would listened to their screams. and ate some popcorn.
Just to be clear where I stay.






aieahound

Re: Another humdinger - What if Biden wins?
« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2020, 12:52:22 PM »
Enjoy your trolling, Snowflake.   :crazy:   :stopjack:

Oh, I do Snowflapp, I do.
And funny thing is I’m not even trolling.
You’re Just So Sensitive.  :shake:
And probably frustrated because you can’t answer Or expand on any direct comments or questions.

Flapp,
I think you mis-understand.
I don't want Hawaii island to be the center of the state,
I want it to be separate.
There is only about 200,000 people here, on an island bigger
than all the other 7 put together.
Many of us farm, raise cattle, and are generally
pretty self sufficient if Honolulu laws and rulers
were no longer beating us up and taking money from us.
As for the Superferry I am a big supporter,
But I spent 20+ years riding WASDOT ferries,
Honolulu Liberals did not put in the necessary infrastructure
to support such a system, it will fail if you don't have docks.
parking and various things necessary to run a ferry system
Once again Honolulu Liberals/Democrats are the problem.
The TMT,  I helped do many studies,
and have friends that are working on the project.
The problem once again is Honolulu Democrats.
I would have run a D9 cat over them and their camps.
I would listened to their screams. and ate some popcorn.
Just to be clear where I stay.
:stopjack:

groveler

Re: Another humdinger - What if Biden wins?
« Reply #32 on: July 24, 2020, 01:53:27 PM »
Oh, I do Snowflapp, I do.
And funny thing is I’m not even trolling.
You’re Just So Sensitive.  :shake:
And probably frustrated because you can’t answer Or expand on any direct comments or questions.
 :stopjack:
Yeah, but I had to respond to Flapp.
  :grrr:
Biden will wreak America, how's that?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Another humdinger - What if Biden wins?
« Reply #33 on: July 24, 2020, 02:12:56 PM »
Flapp,
I think you mis-understand.
I don't want Hawaii island to be the center of the state,
I want it to be separate.
There is only about 200,000 people here, on an island bigger
than all the other 7 put together.
Many of us farm, raise cattle, and are generally
pretty self sufficient if Honolulu laws and rulers
were no longer beating us up and taking money from us.
As for the Superferry I am a big supporter,
But I spent 20+ years riding WASDOT ferries,
Honolulu Liberals did not put in the necessary infrastructure
to support such a system, it will fail if you don't have docks.
parking and various things necessary to run a ferry system
Once again Honolulu Liberals/Democrats are the problem.
The TMT,  I helped do many studies,
and have friends that are working on the project.
The problem once again is Honolulu Democrats.
I would have run a D9 cat over them and their camps.
I would listened to their screams. and ate some popcorn.
Just to be clear where I stay.

No, I understood.  I'm simply pointing out that the BI is not self sufficient, and that the loons protesting any substantive projects that could change this will make your wishes moot.

Imagine trying to install underground electrical delivery lines to avoid hurricanes and as well as preserving the natural beauty of the islands.  Cue protectors of the land!

Imagine trying to build offices and schools on the taxes generated solely from legit businesses there.

What's the BI's primary export?  Lava rocks for grilling?  Whacky tobacky?  Competitive hula?

No, I don't see that island becoming self sustaining.  You can say only Oahu/Honolulu dingbats are protesting TMT, but thats not the case.  It wasn't until July 2019 that 300 TMT protestors assembled outside the state capital.  I would think if Oahu was leading that charge, there would have been more than the 31 protestors that blocked the roads to Mauna Kea in April 2015.  If the Honolulu Dems have done anything to cause the protests, it was (1) not getting a proper permit to begin construction, as was ruled by the courts after protests started, and (2) refusing to enforce the laws to allow construction even after the valid permit was issued in Oct 2018.   :shaka:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aieahound

Re: Another humdinger - What if Biden wins?
« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2020, 02:30:03 PM »
Yeah, but I had to respond to Flapp.
  :grrr:
Biden will wreak America, how's that?

I get it Groveler.
That’s why I posted your response after mine.
Showing you respect.  :shaka:

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Another humdinger - What if Biden wins?
« Reply #35 on: July 24, 2020, 02:32:18 PM »
Oh, I do Snowflapp, I do.
And funny thing is I’m not even trolling.
You’re Just So Sensitive.  :shake:
And probably frustrated because you can’t answer Or expand on any direct comments or questions.
 :stopjack:

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aieahound

Re: Another humdinger - What if Biden wins?
« Reply #36 on: July 24, 2020, 02:49:06 PM »
Seriously !
You need to regress to Memes teenage boy.
Appropriate though.
You post a picture of a fake ass, which would be you.  :geekdanc:

(Bad words gotta bounce off that ass )

I got the last word.
Tag your it ya little kid.

P.S.
This games not fun for anyone else.
Again I started it civil and coherent.
And Snowflapp of Many Names just rolls off the cliff.
For the record.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Another humdinger - What if Biden wins?
« Reply #37 on: July 24, 2020, 03:04:29 PM »
Seriously !
You need to regress to Memes teenage boy.
Appropriate though.
You post a picture of a fake ass, which would be you.  :geekdanc:

(Bad words gotta bounce off that ass )

I got the last word.
Tag your it ya little kid.

P.S.
This games not fun for anyone else.
Again I started it civil and coherent.
And Snowflapp of Many Names just rolls off the cliff.
For the record.

LOL!  For the record, I didn't insult you as you claimed.

I posted this:  https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=37394.msg333751#msg333751

and then you went off the deep end with this immediately afterward:  https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=37394.msg333753#msg333753

Is your English comprehension really that poor?
« Last Edit: July 24, 2020, 03:25:07 PM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aieahound

Re: Another humdinger - What if Biden wins?
« Reply #38 on: July 24, 2020, 03:20:02 PM »
Okay.  So, I'm one midterm election behind.  Shows how much I care about the state's politics. 

I see we have 5 Rs in the House now.  Thanks, Obama!   :rofl:   :thumbsup:   :geekdanc:.
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aieahound

Re: Another humdinger - What if Biden wins?q
« Reply #39 on: July 24, 2020, 03:23:02 PM »
A few posts ago Obama!  :rofl: :thumbsup: :geekdanc:

The rolling laughter. Thumbs Up. Geek dance. In response to correcting your fake news.
Or was that a compliment?
Constructive comment ?
Why not just admit you were wrong and acknowledge the correction of erroneous facts.

Even if that wasn’t an insult ( doubtful) you had to regress to insults and memes to rebut a claim of insulting instead of attempting to clarify it like an adult would.
While you were reporting fake news?
I thought your google would have been better than that.

If that’s the deep end I jumped off then you jumped off a bottomless pit, like most snowflapps and Karen’s do.

Yeah you call me a sensitive snowflake.
I call you a Snowflapp of many user names. (Not sure how many you currently have)  Etc.......

And why thank Obama. (Sure seemed like you were insinuating that toward me.)
That’s probably more than we had before Obama unless we go back to Hiram Fong days, maybe Pat Saiki. (I have no research to back that up.)

Focus.

And if you really don’t care about the State’s politics, which we can actually make a difference in, why comment on any of it.
Last word.
Tag your it.

Now your gonna say you were actually talking about Obama...blah...blah...blah.
He’s the cause of this Democratic State which has been Democrat dominated since Statehood.

Oh crap, here comes Kuleana.....
Biden might give the Kingdom of Hawaii back.....

(Talk about derailing a thread. )

You think I was calling you "Obama"?  LOL! 

Delusional.

I was thanking Obama for souring the Dem voters enough to elect Republicans.

Focus?  Right.  Just like your  :stopjack: , huh?

Exactly as predicted.  :geekdanc:
(This post is from the future. Go forward.)
From we have NO Republicans in the Legislature to thanking Obama for the amount we have.  :wtf:
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