Federal Agent Dies at Kihei Police Station (Read 16817 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Federal Agent Dies at Kihei Police Station
« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2020, 12:43:00 PM »
I remember in basic training at the live fire range the order was given: CLEAR YOUR WEAPONS!.

The trainee next to me charged his weapon, took out his magazine, then pulled the trigger.  His muzzle was pointed in the air.  It discharged a round.  The Drill sergeant was next to him.

I'll let you guys imagine what happened next to this poor trainee.  I never saw a Drill Sergeant with a more redder face with eyes bulging out like golf balls.  The Drill Sergeant was also 6'3" and a State Wrestling Champion in High School.

I don't see the problem.  After pulling the trigger, his weapon was clear  --  as instructed.   :geekdanc:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Federal Agent Dies at Kihei Police Station
« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2020, 12:44:02 PM »
Still would have to press the trigger.  It's possible but not likely.

I'm sure his safety is on.   :wave:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Phazuka

Re: Federal Agent Dies at Kihei Police Station
« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2020, 02:01:44 AM »
... or the Kealohas ...

... or the Miske "Family" ...

... or Epstein ...
Or Obama's.....

If I disappear it's not suicide..... lol.


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Davies

Re: Federal Agent Dies at Kihei Police Station
« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2020, 06:36:26 AM »
 ??? Sounds fishy

robtmc

Re: Federal Agent Dies at Kihei Police Station
« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2020, 09:26:14 AM »
Or Obama's.....

If I disappear it's not suicide.....

Take no small plane flights from Molokai...............

aieahound

Re: Federal Agent Dies at Kihei Police Station
« Reply #25 on: August 02, 2020, 01:09:29 PM »
How come we haven't seen more media coverage of this?

I found the MauiNews and his obituary/tribute page.

Am I missing something?
Seams like it would be a big story.

stangzilla

Re: Federal Agent Dies at Kihei Police Station
« Reply #26 on: August 02, 2020, 01:34:35 PM »
Same as Vegas shooter. You dont hear nothing, then several months later you'll have a scape goat, story is neat and clean, there will be only 1 story,  the coverup story.
FBIsis

Phazuka

Re: Federal Agent Dies at Kihei Police Station
« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2020, 01:42:37 PM »
The YouTubes are going crazy with a former beat cop in the Ala Moana district who felt the need to bug out of the islands and started a YouTube series on the Miske case.









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groveler

Re: Federal Agent Dies at Kihei Police Station
« Reply #28 on: August 02, 2020, 03:22:34 PM »
I'm sure his safety is on.   :wave:
Didn't look like it.
IIRC it is safe, fire, and rock and roll.
Looked like Fire.
IIRC
Every time I qualified, touched a gun, or worked on certain
aircraft there was a guy behind or nearby with a
gun to shoot me if I made a mistake.
Maybe the Army guys are a little more
lax?

« Last Edit: August 02, 2020, 03:30:28 PM by groveler »

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Federal Agent Dies at Kihei Police Station
« Reply #29 on: August 02, 2020, 04:00:06 PM »
Didn't look like it.
IIRC it is safe, fire, and rock and roll.
Looked like Fire.
IIRC
Every time I qualified, touched a gun, or worked on certain
aircraft there was a guy behind or nearby with a
gun to shoot me if I made a mistake.
Maybe the Army guys are a little more
lax?

Maybe it was just YOU?   :rofl:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Direjackalope

Re: Federal Agent Dies at Kihei Police Station
« Reply #30 on: August 02, 2020, 04:39:21 PM »
The rifle is on fire but the Army clearing procedure as recently as 2000 was to drop the mag, pull the charging handle, inspect the chamber, and then drop the hammer.  And once the hammers dropped the rifle can't be put on safe.  The trigger is looking pretty far back in the trigger guard.  I can't defend putting your melon in front of the barrel but at least there might be one less screw up than is obvious.

groveler

Re: Federal Agent Dies at Kihei Police Station
« Reply #31 on: August 02, 2020, 06:36:31 PM »
Maybe it was just YOU?   :rofl:
Maybe you never worked around Nukes.
When they go Boom bad things happen.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Federal Agent Dies at Kihei Police Station
« Reply #32 on: August 02, 2020, 06:53:15 PM »
Maybe you never worked around Nukes.
When they go Boom bad things happen.

Just kidding.

Your comment reminded me of the Swordfish  scene when Hugh Jackman first meets John Travolta & has to crack a DoD site with a guy behind him with a gun ... not to mention other major distractions!   :rofl:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Deeds Not Words

robtmc

Re: Federal Agent Dies at Kihei Police Station
« Reply #34 on: August 03, 2020, 03:55:28 PM »
"line of duty"

Right.  He was taking down bad guys inside the polices station.

QUIETShooter

Re: Federal Agent Dies at Kihei Police Station
« Reply #35 on: August 03, 2020, 05:28:12 PM »
In the military (or at least when I was in it) the squad leaders would tell the team leaders to have the men clear their weapons.  And the team leaders ultimately will be responsible for the squad clearing their weapons.

I can see your sidearms locked and loaded while in the office, but are rifles necessary to be locked and loaded in the office?  Even if it is evidently the safety was off.  Or was there a reason for it to be turned off?  Hmmmmmm…….

Seems like there was a laxed atmosphere that has been the norm for some time.  Or something happened that they will eventually find out but will never be made public.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

aieahound

Re: Federal Agent Dies at Kihei Police Station
« Reply #36 on: August 03, 2020, 05:41:06 PM »
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/08/03/officials-rule-federal-agents-line-duty-death-maui-police-station-accidental/

I agree with Zippz.
From the minimal coverage, sounds like was shot by someone else.

Again, that’s the coverage we get on a Federal agent shot and killed in a police station in our State?  :wtf:
« Last Edit: August 03, 2020, 08:38:43 PM by aieahound »

mrgaf

Re: Federal Agent Dies at Kihei Police Station
« Reply #37 on: August 03, 2020, 08:46:40 PM »
The rule of any PD in Hawaii is...
It’s none of our business.. period... :worship:
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Only good liberal is one taking a dirt nap.

surfmaster

Re: Federal Agent Dies at Kihei Police Station
« Reply #38 on: August 04, 2020, 03:32:34 PM »
I agree with Zippz.
From the minimal coverage, sounds like was shot by someone else.

Again, that’s the coverage we get on a Federal agent shot and killed in a police station in our State?  :wtf:

You were right! The agent was shot by someone else, https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/08/04/breaking-news/atf-agent-dies-in-accidental-shooting-at-maui-police-department-office/

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Federal Agent Dies at Kihei Police Station
« Reply #39 on: August 04, 2020, 03:47:11 PM »
News articles that use the passive voice throughout are frustrating.  The writers are (1) poorly educated in proper writing, and/or (2) trying to gloss over the details.

"MPD and ATF said in a news release that ATF Special Agent John Bost III died July 28 at the Kihei Division office after being wounded by a rifle that was accidentally discharged".

Notice he was wounded BY A RIFLE.  The rifle was obviously able to discharge itself, since the writer failed to make this an active sentence, such as "another officer accidentally discharged the rifle..."

The closest they come to reporting he died at the hands of another is using the word "Shooting" in the title, excluding the expected "self-inflicted" description, and saying "after being accidentally shot", which implies that being shot requires someone else to do the shooting.

Real journalism is dead.  This kind of writing reminds me of the censors in Good Morning, Vietnam! with Robin Williams.  Narrative is everything.  Truth?  Meh.   :wacko:
« Last Edit: August 04, 2020, 04:59:58 PM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw