When are WE going to "peacefully protest" and March on City Hall to demand our handgun high cap mags, unconstitutional registration of our firearms, concealed carry and open carry?

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Never, this is Hawaii.

Federal Judge ruled unconstitutional and infringement on 2a rights with California magazine ban.....just saying

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Never, this is Hawaii.

Why?  Are we too lazy?

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Federal Judge ruled unconstitutional and infringement on 2a rights with California magazine ban.....just saying

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It’s only a 3 judge panel - most experts believe the CA AG will file a motion and argue the case to be heard en-banc.  The CA AG has a right to appeal a decision as we would have had if the decision had gone against us. 

Why?  Are we too lazy?

Too disorganized as a firearm community as a whole to make a difference.
A bunch of folks on here go every year during normal times.
Just can’t seem to get all the coalitions and clubs to mesh together for a cause and show some real numbers.

Too disorganized as a firearm community as a whole to make a difference.
A bunch of folks on here go every year during normal times.
Just can’t seem to get all the coalitions and clubs to mesh together for a cause and show some real numbers.

I am involved with, and am friends with folks in various groups.  I've tried to link them up, be a bridge to coordinate, etc in the past.  I've given up.  Too many hard headed people, conflicting personalities, "we're good on our own", etc type issues.  I will still be involved, but attend and support the individual efforts as I can. 

So many here look for people to lead, even some saying that "once they get to lead, that they'll get everyone in line".  Again, while I applaud those efforts and "can do" attitude, I haven't seen many of those posts of late as I assume they've experienced the same brick walls that I did. 

However, leadership in a few groups have changed, so maybe things can change moving forward. 

You motivate people better by positive incentives versus negative.

If every event is in response to a new bill or overreach by the Gov't/HPD, that's by definition using a negative to push people to action.  "You better show up, or else something bad will happen."  Or, has happened, and needs to be reversed.

If the individuals and groups had a positive incentive to join a 2A-protection group, you'd see more people joining and attending events.

For example, if membership included perks (gun shop discounts, monthly sales for members only, maybe even a handgun giveaway -- without it being a "raffle", of course  ), you'd definitely see more people joining,  Once the people are part of the group, you have a chance to inform them on what's happening and how to participate.  If they see no real benefit to joining "yet another gun group", then nothing changes.

A carrot, not a stick.

Just my 2.9 cents.   

Wow Flapp that was actually a very useful suggestion. Is it really you? 

Hifico had a gun giveaway a couple years ago.
I tried to get more people into this forum by giving away stuff that was graciously donated to the cause.
I still have quite a bit of merchandise left. I should get off my butt and start that up again.

I think the bigger problem is that we have a local govt that is authoritarian during this "pandemic"

If you want to get involved in the fight join up with https://hifico.org/

I've been to the capital with them multiple times shaking the cages.  We're getting more participants every time.

I agree, hifico has my support and has been the most active in the fight. I just renewed my membership today.  Maybe regular meetings would help, its easy to do Zoom calls.

I think the positive incentive is a good idea and could work.  Need buy-in from businesses, at least those with credibility remaining for ability to follow through. 

"Good idea fairies" are great, but also need the "follow-through humans" to see things through.  Easy to be the former, but a lot more time, effort, etc to be the latter.  That's not meant to be negative criticism.  Again, I do applaud the efforts, all "good idea fairies", etc and I am certainly willing to contribute where I can.  Just not enough "follow-through" humans in my experience. 

Flapp good comments

Yes I just renewed my membership again with Hifico. So trying to do my little part

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I agree, hifico has my support and has been the most active in the fight. I just renewed my membership today.  Maybe regular meetings would help, its easy to do Zoom calls.

Whenever I don't hear from HIFICO leadership I rest comfortably in my bed because I know they're filing another lawsuit with my dues money.  They have multiple meetings prior to the legislative session opening.  Featuring good food, good people, good presentations, and a little doom and gloom and a little sunshine up your ass for taking the fight to the capitol.  I'd recommend coming to anyone who hasn't attended.

Wow Flapp that was actually a very useful suggestion. Is it really you? 

Thanks.  I'll take a compliment, even when it's wrapped in a slam.

Thick skin.   

Hifico had a gun giveaway a couple years ago.
I tried to get more people into this forum by giving away stuff that was graciously donated to the cause.
I still have quite a bit of merchandise left. I should get off my butt and start that up again.

One individual giving away things is a great gesture, but it really needs to be more of an organizational effort.  If you are the arbiter of who wins, it kind of segregates the prize from the group.

Just my perception.  Not sure if that is how new members see it.

 

My purpose for forming HIFICO really isn't to win gun rights battles.  Instead our purpose is to change attitudes and unite the community, basically starting all over to build a good foundation.  That is extremely difficult, costly and time consuming.  I knew it would be a big challenge, and even then it's still a bigger challenge than I thought.  Once that's done, then winning gun rights battles will come on it's own.

It's been slow as I've been recouperating.  November - April is extremely stressful and I'm burned out so take a few months off.  I'm still working behind the scenes strategizing for next year, making contacts, setting up lawsuits, etc.  I'm currently working on the training aspect.  Getting the Ayoob and ASP class setup for next year and helping the women's gun group to get started.  I work in the background, Andrew takes care of the front.

When are WE going to "peacefully protest" and March on City Hall to demand our handgun high cap mags, unconstitutional registration of our firearms, concealed carry and open carry?

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Almost all of the anti-gun legislation is with the State government which is why I focus on the Capitol.  City is responsible for shooting ranges and zoning issues and ordinances like replica guns.  The Chief is responsible for CCW, but they're an independent agency and the position is not elected so a march by itself wouldn't do much.  You could combine a march into a public relations thing if violent crime skyrockets and the march is used to educate the public about CCW.

Getting rid of registration would be very difficult, much more difficult than getting CCW and at about the level of legalizing machine guns here.  It's way out there on the radar.  CCW and open carry first.