There's no stipulation that the number has to be the registration number except for those blanks/receivers that are registered without a number.  HPD will engrave it for you.  You can actually order the blanks with serial numbers professionally applied to the blanks to make it easier.

I guess if you have more than one blank to register, they may have to fill out multiple registrations?  Either that, or append something to the registration number for each item to make them unique?

But, if you really want "enjoy" the process a little, give every blank you register the SAME serial number as EVERYBODY ELSE on here.     

If 20 people have 2 blanks each, that's 40 future receivers that will have the same number.

Something like "2A-HI-2020" comes to mind.

So what I just posted doesn't mean anything?


"If the firearm has no serial number, the [permit[/size]] registration number shall be entered in the space provided for the serial number, and the [permit[/size]] registration number shall be engraved upon the receiver portion of the firearm before registration."
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2020/bills/HB2744_SD2_PROPOSED_.HTM

Was yours completed or still in a 80% form?

Only the holes were drilled. A friend also registered a couple this week with the holes drilled.

Only the holes were drilled. A friend also registered a couple this week with the holes drilled.

Thanks dogman for the response...will give it a go

There's no stipulation that the number has to be the registration number except for those blanks/receivers that are registered without a number.  HPD will engrave it for you.  You can actually order the blanks with serial numbers professionally applied to the blanks to make it easier.

I guess if you have more than one blank to register, they may have to fill out multiple registrations?  Either that, or append something to the registration number for each item to make them unique?

But, if you really want "enjoy" the process a little, give every blank you register the SAME serial number as EVERYBODY ELSE on here.     

If 20 people have 2 blanks each, that's 40 future receivers that will have the same number.

Something like "2A-HI-2020" comes to mind.

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If someone asks to build one for them, put "HUGH JANUS 2020"

 

So what I just posted doesn't mean anything?


"If the firearm has no serial number, the [permit[/size]] registration number shall be entered in the space provided for the serial number, and the [permit[/size]] registration number shall be engraved upon the receiver portion of the firearm before registration."
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2020/bills/HB2744_SD2_PROPOSED_.HTM

You sounded confused.  Didn't want to get bogged down in that quagmire.      

I registered a couple of Poly 80 handgun frames earlier this week with my rifle permit. My made up serial numbers used four letters with my initials and three numbers. I try to make it easy for HPD. They treat me well.

THEY TREAT YOU WELL! LOL 

What is HIFICO doing about this?  Guys, stop trying to overthink this. 

It is absolutely unconstitutional and death by a thousand cuts. 

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What is HIFICO doing about this?  Guys, stop trying to overthink this. 

There isn't much to do until the PDs give out their requirements.  We're still a small organization with limited funds and especially manpower so can only pursue a limited number of lawsuits.  Lawsuits cost tens, or even hundreds, of thousands of dollars and take years to complete.  Then you need good caselaw and favorable judges to decide the cases.  It is difficult.  Fortunately we are developing relations with the national orgs and other attorneys to help.
What needs to be done is to stop the bills in the legislature, then work on the past damage through the courts.

The new law reads,  "If the firearm has no serial number, the [permit] registration number shall be entered in the space provided for the serial number, and the [permit] registration number shall be engraved upon the receiver portion of the firearm before registration."


Why they deleted permit number and put registration number? This now makes it impossible to ever construct a 0 - 80% in a handgun form. 


You cannot get a handgun permit without a serial number, nor can you register a handgun without a serial number. You CANNOT get a registration number, therefore, you cannot get a serial number to engrave.

How would they know the 80% lower never came with a serial number in the first place?

How would they know the 80% lower never came with a serial number in the first place?

Oh I like this question!  Would an 80% with a serial still be defined as an 80% or now would it be an “other” and need to be handled as a lower by an FFL going forward? 

If the definition is it is still considered an 80% then does this law apply?

Oh I like this question!  Would an 80% with a serial still be defined as an 80% or now would it be an “other” and need to be handled as a lower by an FFL going forward? 

If the definition is it is still considered an 80% then does this law apply?

As I read it the law only applies to non-serialized 80% firearms. Law requires a serial number on an 80% firearm but it doesn't say you can't have a serial number on an 80% firearm.  So if a 80% part manufacturer put a serial number on it prior to purchase then it would seem to not apply. So if you buy a chunk of steel or aluminum you plan to make into a firearm then engrave a serial number first and you would seem to be fine? Gotta double check the text of the law but this would seem to be a workaround.

As I read it the law only applies to non-serialized 80% firearms. Law requires a serial number on an 80% firearm but it doesn't say you can't have a serial number on an 80% firearm.  So if a 80% part manufacturer put a serial number on it prior to purchase then it would seem to not apply. So if you buy a chunk of steel or aluminum you plan to make into a firearm then engrave a serial number first and you would seem to be fine? Gotta double check the text of the law but this would seem to be a workaround.

This is exactly how it works and what I said earlier. IT IS LEGAL to get these and assemble them AS LONG AS YOU SERIALIZE/REGISTER THEM. And it does not say who puts it on. WORDS MATTER.

SECTION 3.  Chapter 134, Hawaii Revised Statutes, is amended by adding a new section to part I to be appropriately designated and to read as follows:

     "§134-    Manufacturing, purchasing, or obtaining firearm parts to assemble a firearm having no serial number; penalty.  (a)  A person who is not licensed to manufacture a firearm under section 134-31, or who is not a dealer licensed by the United States Department of Justice, shall not, for the purpose of assembling a firearm (if that is not your purpose for purchase, then it's not against the law), purchase, produce with a three-dimensional printer, or otherwise obtain separately, or as part of a kit:

     (1)  A firearm receiver that is not imprinted with a serial number registered with a federally licensed manufacturer;

     (2)  A firearm receiver that has not been provided a serial number that may be registered in accordance with section 134-3(c); or(This is where you put your own serial number in the event you ever change your mind on assembling)

     (3)  Any combination of parts from which a firearm having no serial number may be readily assembled; provided that the parts do not have the capacity to function as a firearm unless assembled.

     (b)  Violation of this section is a class C felony."

     SECTION 4.  Section 134-1, Hawaii Revised Statutes, is amended by adding two new definitions to be appropriately inserted and to read as follows:

     ""Assembly" means the fabrication of a firearm or the fitting together of component parts to construct a firearm.

     "Firearm receiver" means the part of a firearm that provides housing for the firearm's internal components, including a hammer, bolt, breechblock, action, or firing mechanism.  "Firearm receiver" includes any object or part that is not a firearm frame or receiver in finished form but that is designed or intended to be used for that purpose and may readily be made into a firearm frame or receiver through milling or other means."

§134-2  Permits to acquire.  (a)  No person shall acquire the ownership of a firearm (80% IS NOT A FIREARM AND NEVER WAS and is incapable of being used as such), whether usable or unusable, serviceable or unserviceable, modern or antique, registered under prior law or by a prior owner or unregistered, either by purchase, gift, inheritance, bequest, or in any other manner,