Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87 (Read 80354 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #340 on: October 03, 2020, 03:53:18 PM »
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Ruth Bader Ginsburg wasn’t really fond of Roe v. Wade, the landmark Supreme Court decision that in 1973
established a constitutional right to abortion. She didn’t like how it was structured.

The ruling, she noted in a lecture at New York University in 1992, tried to do too much, too fast — it essentially
made every abortion restriction in the country at the time illegal in one fell swoop — leaving it open to fierce attacks.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/21/us/ruth-bader-ginsburg-roe-v-wade.html
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #341 on: October 03, 2020, 03:55:40 PM »
Seems like you had a 12-24 hr bug. . .

 :rofl:

Just poking the bear (teddy bear).   :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Jl808

Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #342 on: October 03, 2020, 04:13:58 PM »
The issue about abortion has nothing to do with gun rights. 

The pro-choice / pro-life issue is about whose right supersedes the other (the mother’s or the baby’s)?

An abortion choice is a death sentence for the child who will have no future after that. A life choice is not necessarily a life ending experience for the mom, it may be harder and a long inconvenience but not necessarily a fatal result for the mom.

A rhetorical question...  Whose right is more important - your daughter’s right to abort your grandchild or your grandchild’s right to live?

I do not want to belabor this and do not expect an answer from you but I just want you to think about it.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #343 on: October 03, 2020, 05:06:56 PM »
@omnigun

Answer this question.

Q:  Should the state or federal government arrest and punish someone who tortures their own cat or dog to death? 

Based on your "values", the individual's freedom to do what they want should reign supreme as long as he's not violating the rights of another human being.

What's your answer?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #344 on: October 03, 2020, 05:16:53 PM »
I will agree with both,  its a privacy right of the patient and the doctor.  What's wrong with that?  The government has no right to snoop into my computer much less the right to snoop into my medical files or procedures. It extends to both patients and doctors as intended.  And i think it perfectly fits in the 14th amendment.

I am completely open to changing the constitution to update to our times.  I think that would be a wonderful thing.  We can add to the second to clariy without a doubt all arms.  We can expand free speech.  We can guarantee the right to our own bodies.  We can cancel the patriot act and permanently restore more rights to Americans.

But for now, like the 1st and 2nd.  The 14th and all the prochoice it brings should be federally protected.  Until it comes to a time where we change the constitution to fit.  I hope we lean to a more freedom based changes but the prolife side like yourself might change it in that direction.

DOCTORS are not covered by privacy laws (doctor-patient privilege).  The privilege applies only to the patient.  If a patient waives their right, the doctor has no choice but to provide the information being sought by the government. 
              ^^^^
In short, THIS is what's wrong with THAT.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #345 on: October 03, 2020, 05:28:36 PM »
It seems to me we've raised generations of children who are well aware of their rights and freedoms (many of which don't actually exist, like the right to free healthcare and college),

but they skipped the day their teachers taught responsibility.

When I grew up, I had the freedom to use my mom's car whenever I needed as long as I came home in time for her to leave for work, and it had the same amount of gasoline, or more, as when I took it.

If either rule was broken, I lost driving privileges for a length of time.

These are the lessons that create mature, responsible and dependable individuals.  Failure invites consequences.  Responsible behavior is rewarded with continued liberties.

So simple, yet here we are with Mister "MUH FREEDOMS!!" teaching us how nothing else matters.

 :sleeping:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #346 on: October 03, 2020, 05:38:49 PM »
Damn missed 2 days and over 100 post.



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aieahound

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #347 on: October 03, 2020, 05:40:04 PM »
Gun rights are natural, god-given rights protected under the Constitution.  Therefore, a federal issue.

Abortion is not a natural, god-given right, nor is it protected under the Constitution.  Therefore, a state issue.

Gun rights are natural, God-given ? God handed handed Adam a 12 gauge and said go forth and kill that rabbit? Adam picked that 12 gauge off a tree.
 :wtf: Are you talking about?
It is a Constitutional Right.

Supreme Court decided abortion was a Constitutional Right.

DOCTORS are not covered by privacy laws (doctor-patient privilege).  The privilege applies only to the patient.  If a patient waives their right, the doctor has no choice but to provide the information being sought by the government. 
              ^^^^
In short, THIS is what's wrong with THAT.

If a patient doesn’t waive it, then it is doctor-patient privilege. The Doctor has the privilege not to release any info based on patient privilege.

drck1000

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #348 on: October 03, 2020, 05:42:36 PM »
Gun rights are natural, God-given ? God handed handed Adam a 12 gauge and said go forth and kill that rabbit? Adam picked that 12 gauge off a tree.

SNIP
No, duh. Such blasphemy is mind boggling.

It was a Glock 😝

Nah, maybe a Colt SAA

robtmc

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #349 on: October 03, 2020, 05:56:53 PM »
Damn missed 2 days and over 100 post.
Lots of them are blocked now, much better after getting rid of the tiresome airhead millennial crap.

aieahound

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #350 on: October 03, 2020, 05:57:18 PM »
No, duh. Such blasphemy is mind boggling.

It was a Glock 😝

Nah, maybe a Colt SAA

 :rofl:  :thumbsup:

robtmc

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #351 on: October 03, 2020, 06:02:01 PM »
many of which don't actually exist, like the right to free healthcare and college
The result of the degradation of education by leftist teachers unions.

But, look at all that self esteem, all those participation ribbons, and media affirmation for being a well indoctrinated airhead.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #352 on: October 03, 2020, 06:52:34 PM »
Gun rights are natural, God-given ? God handed handed Adam a 12 gauge and said go forth and kill that rabbit? Adam picked that 12 gauge off a tree.
 :wtf: Are you talking about?
It is a Constitutional Right.

Supreme Court decided abortion was a Constitutional Right.

If a patient doesn’t waive it, then it is doctor-patient privilege. The Doctor has the privilege not to release any info based on patient privilege.

The Supreme Court made a decision based on lies and a flimsy Constitutional redefining of privacy rights.  Doesn't make it a perfect, or even a good, decision.

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he Doctor has the privilege not to release any info based on patient privilege.

Are you really this ignorant?

Oh, yeah ...... you are.

The doctor has no "privilege", whether or not the patient waives privacy rights.  The doctor has a DUTY to follow the law and protect the PATIENT'S right to privacy.

But, don't just take my word for it:

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Physician–patient privilege is a legal concept, related to medical confidentiality, that protects communications
between a patient and their doctor from being used against the patient in court.

In the United States, the Federal Rules of Evidence do not recognize doctor–patient privilege.

At the state level, the extent of the privilege varies depending on the law of the applicable jurisdiction. For example, in
Texas there is only a limited physician–patient privilege in criminal proceedings, and the privilege is limited in civil cases
as well.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physician%E2%80%93patient_privilege

Just because a doctor may use the physician-patient rules of evidence to conceal unethical or criminal behavior doesn't make the privilege his. 

If the patient waives their privilege, then the doctor has no protection.  Hence, the doctor had no such privilege at all -- ever.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #353 on: October 03, 2020, 08:42:30 PM »
Gun rights are natural, God-given ? God handed handed Adam a 12 gauge and said go forth and kill that rabbit? Adam picked that 12 gauge off a tree.
 :wtf: Are you talking about?
It is a Constitutional Right.

Supreme Court decided abortion was a Constitutional Right.

If a patient doesn’t waive it, then it is doctor-patient privilege. The Doctor has the privilege not to release any info based on patient privilege.

Shh don't tell flap.  He disagrees with that is a supreme court judge dont you know?

omnigun

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #354 on: October 03, 2020, 08:44:04 PM »
The Supreme Court made a decision based on lies and a flimsy Constitutional redefining of privacy rights.  Doesn't make it a perfect, or even a good, decision.

Are you really this ignorant?

Oh, yeah ...... you are.

The doctor has no "privilege", whether or not the patient waives privacy rights.  The doctor has a DUTY to follow the law and protect the PATIENT'S right to privacy.

But, don't just take my word for it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physician%E2%80%93patient_privilege

Just because a doctor may use the physician-patient rules of evidence to conceal unethical or criminal behavior doesn't make the privilege his. 

If the patient waives their privilege, then the doctor has no protection.  Hence, the doctor had no such privilege at all -- ever.

So you are flat out saying you want to put a judge in to overturn that "wrong" dicision you disagree with. You are as bias as you claim I am.  But the difference is you have many people who agree with your views on abortion. 

omnigun

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #355 on: October 03, 2020, 08:46:48 PM »
@omnigun

Answer this question.

Q:  Should the state or federal government arrest and punish someone who tortures their own cat or dog to death? 

Based on your "values", the individual's freedom to do what they want should reign supreme as long as he's not violating the rights of another human being.

What's your answer?


Hmmm, animals deserve a level of freedom higher than random cells but lower than humans.  I would support minimal government intrusion.  A crime is committed but not as serious as a if it were human.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #356 on: October 03, 2020, 08:51:18 PM »
Shh don't tell flap.  He disagrees with that is a supreme court judge dont you know?

If you're trolling, you suck at it.

If you're just being a dick, we already have that part figured out.  No need to oversell it!   :popcorn:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #357 on: October 03, 2020, 08:52:08 PM »
The issue about abortion has nothing to do with gun rights. 

The pro-choice / pro-life issue is about whose right supersedes the other (the mother’s or the baby’s)?

An abortion choice is a death sentence for the child who will have no future after that. A life choice is not necessarily a life ending experience for the mom, it may be harder and a long inconvenience but not necessarily a fatal result for the mom.

A rhetorical question...  Whose right is more important - your daughter’s right to abort your grandchild or your grandchild’s right to live?

I do not want to belabor this and do not expect an answer from you but I just want you to think about it.

I am not arguing when people believe life begins because its impossible to win.  Everyone has their own opinions.  What I am arguing is for self determination with adherence to the 14th amendment.  And other American amendments.  Its not your right or anyone else right to tell someone what to do. 

Tell me this,  with your religious views.  Is abortion ok in the circumstances of incest, rape?  What about if its physically or genetically deformed?   So far no one has answered me because they know they are all hypocrites.   If its truly alive as you all say, then any abortion for any reason is murder. 

As to answer that,  my daughters right is far more important,  I don't view the grandchild to exist until a period of time near birth. 

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #358 on: October 03, 2020, 08:53:40 PM »
So you are flat out saying you want to put a judge in to overturn that "wrong" dicision you disagree with. You are as bias as you claim I am.  But the difference is you have many people who agree with your views on abortion.

WTF does this comment even mean?  Is there a point?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #359 on: October 03, 2020, 08:55:32 PM »
DOCTORS are not covered by privacy laws (doctor-patient privilege).  The privilege applies only to the patient.  If a patient waives their right, the doctor has no choice but to provide the information being sought by the government. 
              ^^^^
In short, THIS is what's wrong with THAT.

So if a patient demands to remain private isn't that literally perfectly fine?  And can be used for abortion.  I don't understand an issue here. Most patients want to remain private.  We already confirmed the patient has the right to remain private.