Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87 (Read 79889 times)

aieahound

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #120 on: September 25, 2020, 05:14:28 PM »
Trump’s selection for appointment to the Supreme Court and the success or failure of it getting through will be a turning point in this election.
I think more and more people are starting to realize it.
Line drawn in the sand.

ren

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #122 on: September 25, 2020, 05:20:50 PM »
Deeds Not Words

Flapp_Jackson

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #124 on: September 25, 2020, 05:28:07 PM »
https://babylonbee.com/news/genius-trump-nominates-joe-biden-to-supreme-court?fbclid=IwAR2YC8t5Gj93FqGoOnv3byzQkB7zOZfmaL_N8GyV975XI1ypxu2yrekjvk4

Genius Trump Nominates Joe Biden To Supreme Court
Forcing Dems To Accuse Him Of Sexual Assault


 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:    :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:


The flaw in that plan is that Liberal Politicians are judged by a different set of standards and rules as everyone else.  The GOP would accuse Sleezy Joe of assault, but the Dems would defend him.

Another flaw:  Joe filling a lifetime appointment on the bench might create yet another vacancy for Trump to fill in a year or two!   :shake:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

RSN172

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #125 on: September 25, 2020, 06:12:07 PM »
ABC 6PM News said Barrett is the nominee and the official announcement will be made tomorrow.
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Jk2226

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #126 on: September 25, 2020, 08:27:08 PM »
 :D

eyeeatingfish

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #127 on: September 25, 2020, 08:56:51 PM »
Show me in the Constitution where it says the Senate must hold hearings and schedule votes when it flies in the face of precedent?  Your opinion of what the Senate's job is needs supporting material.  The Constitution contradicts you.

That is a pretty empty argument. The constitution says very little about the government having to do anything. The constitution grants and assigns certain powers to certain branches of government. Sure, congress could refuse to confirm justices every again and the supreme court would cease to exist in a few decades, because nothing says they have to. I don't know how you can't see how silly of an argument you are making. Nothing says cops have to give you CPR if they find you having a heart attack, by your logic I guess you would be fine with them standing over you saying they don't have to help you.

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There have been 29 times that a SCOTUS vacancy occurred in a presidential election year.  That counts vacancies created by new seats on the Court, but not vacancies for which there was a nomination already pending when the year began, such as happened in 1835–36 and 1987–88.

The President made a nomination in all 29 cases! That's 22 presidents out of 44 (obviously some made multiple nominations in election years -- Washington made 3).  Therefore, Trump would be breaking with precedent if he decided to not name a nominee.

As I have stated already, I have no problem with Trump nominating someone, it is his job to nominate people. He also wasn't the one that made the stupid argument in 2016. Besides that, I am glad you are suddenly so interested in Trump maintaining tradition.


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Next, the Senate. The Constitution gives that majority the power to seat any nominee they want, and to BLOCK any nominee they want.  Up until Harry Reid changed the rules, the Senate needed a super majority (60) to approve cloture, which allowed a confirmation vote to be taken.  Basically a vote to hold the real vote.  If the Dems had left that rule in place, they could have blocked the vote via a filibuster.  Too bad for them, the rule change allows a cloture vote with a simple majority.  Sucks to be so bent on immediate wins that you lose sight of the damage it can cause down the road when the power changes parties.   :rofl:

Yup, they shot themselves in the foot there.

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The norm in these cases strongly favored holding the seat open for the conflict between the two branches to be resolved by the presidential election. That is what Republicans did in 2016. [/u]

That is really just an empty excuse devised to hide the real position they are taking: "We are doing it because we have control and we can."
Presidential elections aren't supposed to resolve SCOTUS justice picks, that is just made up. Elected people are elected for a term, none of this BS about not doing their job because voters should get to choose. Voters chose when they elected the people for their term.

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Finally, in the case where the President and Senate Majority are unified, election-year nominees get confirmed.  That is the norm that applies this year.  19 times between 1796 and 1968, presidents have sought to fill a Supreme Court vacancy in a presidential-election year while their party controlled the Senate. 10 of those nominations came before the election; and 9 of the 10 were successful.

Of course you can make the case that it is "the norm" but there is absolutely no argument to be made that it should be the norm. Lots of things are normal that shouldn't be normal. Again, you really gotta come up with better arguments here.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #128 on: September 25, 2020, 09:09:23 PM »
Let me get this straight.   Everyone here is angry at eye for saying that it's beyond hypocritical to be fine when the Republicans  blocked the Supreme Court hearing but to do the 99% the same thing themselves to get their pick in is correct thing to do.

That is Flapp's basic MO. We can sit around all day pointing out democrat hypocrisy and be happy but the minute someone criticizes a republican for the same thing he (and certain others) flip out. Hypocrisy is hypocrisy but they only care about it when it doesn't favor them, and you better not point it out when it does favor them.

Notice his reply after, he tries to change it about how I am not criticizing democrats when they do such things. Democrat actions weren't the subject here but they try to make it as if I, and now you, are ignoring hypocrisy by democrats. They can't defend the actions of the republicans to they bring up some empty red herring type argument. I am sure if someone were actually defending democrats here then both you and I would call them out on it. But do they ask our opinions when democrats pull this type of thing? Nope, they just assume our positions (falsely) and then attack us for it.

That is how you can tell that people like Flapp are mindless political drones, which is sad because on other occasions Flapp has shown himself to be fairly wise. Yet here either his blindness or the desire to cause strife blocks that wisdom.

ren

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #129 on: September 25, 2020, 09:15:11 PM »
y'all are dumb
Deeds Not Words

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #130 on: September 25, 2020, 09:59:26 PM »
y'all are dumb

I wish it was truly that simple.   :wacko:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

RSN172

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #131 on: September 25, 2020, 10:25:15 PM »
Bottom line is RBG should have retired before 2016 to let Obama pick her successor if she was so concerned about not letting Trump make the call. But like all the other Democrats, she thought that no way Trump would be elected.   Well, she bet wrong and I for one, am glad to see ACB replace her.
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punaperson

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #132 on: September 25, 2020, 10:43:13 PM »
Bottom line is RBG should have retired before 2016 to let Obama pick her successor if she was so concerned about not letting Trump make the call. But like all the other Democrats, she thought that no way Trump would be elected.   Well, she bet wrong and I for one, am glad to see ACB replace her.
I believe that's "The Notorious ACB".

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #133 on: September 26, 2020, 12:03:32 AM »
Bottom line is RBG should have retired before 2016 to let Obama pick her successor if she was so concerned about not letting Trump make the call. But like all the other Democrats, she thought that no way Trump would be elected.   Well, she bet wrong and I for one, am glad to see ACB replace her.

For us to even CONSIDER respecting RBG's wish, we'd first have to wait until after the election.  That gives the Dem voters a much bigger incentive to turn out.  Her request INTERFERES with the election.

Now, let's say the Senate waits for the next president to enter office.  If Trump wins, that means we have to deal with an 8-judge panel for 4 more years? 

Lastly, if (when) the results of the election are challenged and wind up before the Supreme Court, having an even number of judges risks a tie decision.  Talk about a Constitutional Crisis!!

In 29 cases where a SCOTUS vacancy comes up in an election year, all 29 times the President made a nomination.  So, Trump holding up the nomination would be wrong.  Period.

The Senate then has the responsibility to evaluate and vote on the nominee.  To fail to fill the vacancy with a likely contentious and litigious election in Nov would be irresponsible.

Sitting back and twiddling our thumbs is not an answer given the state of this election.  Mail-in ballots, changes to states' rules for such ballots, stories of mass fraud, ...  SCOTUS needs to be ready rule.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Inspector

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #134 on: September 26, 2020, 03:33:30 AM »
 All day Friday, CNN was announcing Barrett as Trump’s pick. They cited a “Trump insider” as their source. Fox News then picked it up citing CNN as their source. I think it would be funny if the “insider” gave CNN fake news so they spent the day attacking Barrett. Head fake then announce Lagoa as the nominee.  :rofl:
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

RSN172

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #135 on: September 26, 2020, 06:46:46 AM »
Fake news media say ACB was the only one DJT interviewed and did so twice. Barbara Lagoa would be a smart move to get the Latino and Florida vote. Democrats  tearing her apart would anger Latinos and Floridans.
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macsak

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #136 on: September 26, 2020, 07:22:22 AM »
Fake news media say ACB was the only one DJT interviewed and did so twice. Barbara Lagoa would be a smart move to get the Latino and Florida vote. Democrats  tearing her apart would anger Latinos and Floridans.

exactly my opinion
trump can nominate acb next time if he wins
then he will have nominated 50% of the female Supremes
worst sexist ever!

drck1000

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #137 on: September 26, 2020, 11:22:35 AM »
That was when Billy Joel made good songs -- actually very close to the end of that period.

Can't blame him if he doesn't listen to oldies.   :thumbsup: :geekdanc: :shaka:
That era was a little before my time, but I did enjoy a number of his songs. 

I didn't care for that album
or the ones before that
he started sucking when he dated/married Christie Brinkley
a good way to go down, but his music suffered
too happy and less drugs...
#maybeyoushouldhavebeenamusician
#stillnotadoctor

 :rofl:

drck1000

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #138 on: September 26, 2020, 11:26:32 AM »
All day Friday, CNN was announcing Barrett as Trump’s pick. They cited a “Trump insider” as their source. Fox News then picked it up citing CNN as their source. I think it would be funny if the “insider” gave CNN fake news so they spent the day attacking Barrett. Head fake then announce Lagoa as the nominee.  :rofl:
:hmm:

Initiative. . . keep 'em guessing.  Spun up preparing to counter ACB, then bam. . .

But, alas. . .

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-ne-barbara-lagoa-supreme-court-announcement-20200926-dowzhhn4rrdj7mheisfm2di7qa-story.html

RSN172

Re: Justice Ginsberg passed away at 87
« Reply #139 on: September 26, 2020, 11:40:21 AM »
I am happy with ACB as the nominee.
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