I apologize that's its come to this.  I guess in the end i am pro abortion and you are all anti. We will never come to see eye to eye. This judge threatens my values and views on freedom so I can't fully support her.  She supports your values so you can.  Everyone keeps blaming emotion, but we are all human and powered by them.  I sincerely hope you are all correct and she will faithfully do her job with no bias. I have no power to change her not getting in the job.  All I have is a way to vent my concerns to you all.  Sorry it's gotten to this level.  I just really value freedom.  Thanks for listening and I hope everyone the best.

You just pinpointed one of the reasons you are unable to have  a productive discussion on this topic.

Your label of "Pro-Abortion" tells me you think that is an acceptable form of birth control, and it should be not just available and legal, but PROVIDED ON DEMAND WITHOUT ANY CONDITIONS AND AT INSURANCE OR TAX PAYER EXPENSE. 

The more PC position for your belief is called Pro-Choice".  But most on that side, just like you, don't discuss any other choices.  You think abortion is the best, often the only, answer.

Likewise, your label of "Anti-Abortion" is not accurate for the opposing side.  It's called "Pro-Life". 

I think every decision related to an unwanted pregnancy is difficult, but if you think life has value and meaning, then you'll consider options (CHOICES) which preserve life -- that of the child and that of the mother.

In rare, extreme circumstances (rape, incest, actual threat to the mother's life), abortion is not only a valid choice, but it may be the best choice.  That's far from "Anti-Abortion." But what's happening now is nowhere near "safe, legal and rare," as the Left once chanted when marching for Roe v Wade.

PP doesn't provide "Planning" services for "Parents."  Their organization's name is a true oxymoron.  Planning implies "before action is taken." 

PP, in that same context, does not believe in CHOICE.  They don't have a 100,000 person staff of lawyers and legal secretaries assisting patients with adoptions.  Instead, they use the vast majority of their revenue to perform thousands upon thousands of abortions.  If they offered adoption services, post-birth motherhood classes and family support services, maybe you could call them Pro-Choice." In reality, Planned Parenthood is exactly like you:  "Pro-Abortion."

You just pinpointed one of the reasons you are unable to have  a productive discussion on this topic.

Your label of "Pro-Abortion" tells me you think that is an acceptable form of birth control, and it should be not just available and legal, but PROVIDED ON DEMAND WITHOUT ANY CONDITIONS AND AT INSURANCE OR TAX PAYER EXPENSE. 

Yes it should be available and legal, without conditions. Only thing I wont say is tax payer expense.

The more PC position for your belief is called Pro-Choice".  But most on that side, just like you, don't discuss any other choices.  You think abortion is the best, often the only, answer.

It is up to the PERSON to decide what they want to do.  Your or myself should have NO say in what they decide.

Likewise, your label of "Anti-Abortion" is not accurate for the opposing side.  It's called "Pro-Life". 

If you want I can call it pro-life its the same thing

I think every decision related to an unwanted pregnancy is difficult, but if you think life has value and meaning, then you'll consider options (CHOICES) which preserve life -- that of the child and that of the mother.

You or me should have NO say to judge someone's choices.  It is up to them to choose if they want to "preserve life" or not.  It is their freedom

In rare, extreme circumstances (rape, incest, actual threat to the mother's life), abortion is not only a valid choice, but it may be the best choice.  That's far from "Anti-Abortion." But what's happening now is nowhere near "safe, legal and rare," as the Left once chanted when marching for Roe v Wade.

Like I keep saying we have no right to dictate someone elses decisions on whats best for them its their freedom to decide on their own.  IDK what you are talking about.  Abortion now is incredibly safe, I know people who have had them.

PP doesn't provide "Planning" services for "Parents."  Their organization's name is a true oxymoron.  Planning implies "before action is taken." 

What?  Planning for parenthood includes not deciding to be a parent...

PP, in that same context, does not believe in CHOICE.  They don't have a 100,000 person staff of lawyers and legal secretaries assisting patients with adoptions.  Instead, they use the vast majority of their revenue to perform thousands upon thousands of abortions.  If they offered adoption services, post-birth motherhood classes and family support services, maybe you could call them Pro-Choice." In reality, Planned Parenthood is exactly like you:  "Pro-Abortion."

I see absolutely nothing wrong with that.  Even if you think PP is an abortion machine if you don't believe in them DONT FUCKING GO.   No one is forcing you to use their services.  If they are pro abortion I could give any shits less.  Don't fund them with taxes so people like you can stop hating on them.  Even if you don't believe anything I said like how I used their services for STD testing etc and I didn't get an abortion.  Sexual health is important but I guess if more people are like you they wouldn't have to worry about that    If you want less abortions you should support PP,  I've had ex's get birth control through them that prevented pregnancies. STD testing to prevent spreading diseases.  But according to you that's probably all fake news all they do is abortions, probably invented some sort of male abortion.

What?  Planning for parenthood includes not deciding to be a parent...

Thanks for illustrating in bright, shiny letters what an "oxymoron" is.

You can't plan for parenthood when you decided to not be a parent.  Parenthood doesn't exist without a parent.

Definition of parenthood
: the state of being a parent
specifically : the position, function, or standing of a parent

You know how to use Google.  Now look up the definition of "parent."

Oh, hell...... might as well lead you to yet another lake ....

Definition of parent (Entry 1 of 2)
   1a: one that begets or brings forth offspring
         just became parents of twins
     b: a person who brings up and cares for another
         foster parents
   2a: an animal or plant that is regarded in relation to its offspring
         The parent brings food to the chicks.

According to YOU, anyone contemplating abortion is a parent.  By definition, they have children/offspring.  That means abortion is killing that child/offspring, otherwise the term "parent" can't apply.   

No definiton of "parent" I can find includes "clump of cells". 

Unplanned Parenthood?

Planned Unparenthood?

Thanks for illustrating in bright, shiny letters what an "oxymoron" is.

You can't plan for parenthood when you decided to not be a parent.  Parenthood doesn't exist without a parent.

You know how to use Google.  Now look up the definition of "parent."

Oh, hell...... might as well lead you to yet another lake ....


According to YOU, anyone contemplating abortion is a parent.  By definition, they have children/offspring.  That means abortion is killing that child/offspring, otherwise the term "parent" can't apply.   

No definiton of "parent" I can find includes "clump of cells". 

Other than the fact you ignored everything else and picked the one thing that is based on semantics ok...ummm  For parenthood, you have to plan when you are ready for children.  Bringing a child into the world when you are unable to fulfill your role is cruel.  If you dont want to join the parenthood realm abortion is a viable option.

Other than the fact you ignored everything else and picked the one thing that is based on semantics ok...ummm  For parenthood, you have to plan when you are ready for children.  Bringing a child into the world when you are unable to fulfill your role is cruel.  If you dont want to join the parenthood realm abortion is a viable option.

That's called Parenthood Prevention.

Abortion usually results from lack of planning.

Just stop.

That's called Parenthood Prevention.

Abortion usually results from lack of planning.

Just stop.

You know you can plan for your future after you make a mistake?  How to resolve errors. You dont have to just accept fate T_T
Oops we accidently made a pregnancy we are unable to financially or mentally complete.  Lets PLAN to end it and continue our lives....so one day we can join parenthood when we are ready.   You know planning for your future parenthood even if that isnt today T_T

You know you can plan for your future after you make a mistake?  How to resolve errors. You dont have to just accept fate T_T
Oops we accidently made a pregnancy we are unable to financially or mentally complete.  Lets PLAN to end it and continue our lives....so one day we can join parenthood when we are ready.   You know planning for your future parenthood even if that isnt today T_T

You're ignoring the CONSEQUENCES of CHOICE MADE in the ABSENCE of ACTUAL PLANNING.

Consequences actually exist.  You're advocating for mass murder in order to avoid those consequences.

We all know how babies are made.  You want to enjoy the process without the consequences of carelessness.

PP doesn't call themselves "New Beginnings."

That's already taken, BTW.

https://nbminnesota.com/

The only PLAN in Planned Parenthood was Sanger's plan to commit genocide based on race.

You're really in good company with all your contortionist attempts at redefining the truth.

The only PLAN in Planned Parenthood was Sanger's plan to commit genocide based on race.

You're really in good company with all your contortionist attempts at redefining the truth.

So Roe v. Wade was a result of Sanger’s plan, through the use of “activist” judges and lying lawyers, to accomplish eugenics?

I enjoy my “tea” but I want to try some of whatever your taking.  (Oh shit, I didn’t put an apostrophe and re at the end of my your....something else you can comment on.  )

Ah shit, if you Guys want to argue the point argue the point.
Is Trump’s pick to replace RBG for SCOTUS a good and qualified one ?
Will she get through confirmation?
Is she Pro-2A ?

That’s the way I see it.

Abortion is settled law.
But don’t worry, anti-abortion States are working every loophole in the settled law to make it as difficult as possible.
Same as Hawaii is doing to our 2A Rights.

Your Boss/job instructs you to engineer a better abortion machine would you?  So that women can more easily access their right to abort.  Nothing legally is stopping you fyi. With your religious conviction (I assume its against abortion) would you do your job?

I’ll give you a personal experience from my brother. He broke down and cried like a baby almost every night after work. He did his job in spite of his strict religious convictions as a strict Mormon.

My brother was an OB/GYN and had his own practice for over 20 years in LA County. Then one patient sued him for the max of his insurance which was $1M. I won’t get into the details of the suit. They also filed a complaint with the AMA. In the meantime the AMA suspended his license to practice while they performed an investigation into the complaint brought by the patient. It took several years for them to clear my brother of any wrongdoing. But the insurance still paid out and he could no longer get insurance to practice medicine.

In the years that the AMA suspended his license do you know what he did? He took a job working at the LA County Public Health Facility providing prenatal care and counseling. Despite his religious beliefs he performed abortions because that is what his job required him to do. It literally brought him to his knees every night when he came home.

Despite your obvious bias towards people who are religious, 10’s of 1,000’s of people perform their jobs every day against their religious beliefs. If my brother can do it, ACB can certainly and easily do her job and rule per the law/constitution in spite of any religious beliefs she might have. You make it sound like religious people are a bunch of nuts. Your words, not mine. But in fact they are hard working Americans who put aside their religious beliefs every fucking day to do a fucking job they are asked and committed to do. Why do you have such a religious bias and hard on for ACB? Everybody else here sees it, maybe its time you do too.

You're ignoring the CONSEQUENCES of CHOICE MADE in the ABSENCE of ACTUAL PLANNING.

Consequences actually exist.  You're advocating for mass murder in order to avoid those consequences.

We all know how babies are made.  You want to enjoy the process without the consequences of carelessness.

PP doesn't call themselves "New Beginnings."

That's already taken, BTW.

https://nbminnesota.com/

Dang I've seen some crazy stuff but this takes the cake.  First of it has to be alive to call it murder but that's another fight.  People like sex.  People don't always want babies. Mistakes happens. Stopping the mistakes before they are born and even a bigger mistake is perfectly fine.  Just like jacking off is perfectly fine you are killing all those millions of potential  lives 

So Roe v. Wade was a result of Sanger’s plan, through the use of “activist” judges and lying lawyers, to accomplish eugenics?

I enjoy my “tea” but I want to try some of whatever your taking.  (Oh shit, I didn’t put an apostrophe and re at the end of my your....something else you can comment on.  )

Ah shit, if you Guys want to argue the point argue the point.
Is Trump’s pick to replace RBG for SCOTUS a good and qualified one ?
Will she get through confirmation?
Is she Pro-2A ?

That’s the way I see it.

Abortion is settled law.
But don’t worry, anti-abortion States are working every loophole in the settled law to make it as difficult as possible.
Same as Hawaii is doing to our 2A Rights.

Who needs Marijuana reform when we can get what he's on

The only PLAN in Planned Parenthood was Sanger's plan to commit genocide based on race.

You're really in good company with all your contortionist attempts at redefining the truth.

Race?  Do only jewish babies get aborted or something?

Curious on a side note cause you got some wack out views.  If you did a test and the baby was deformed/missing chromosomes.  Would you abort?  Or is that mass genetic murder?

I’ll give you a personal experience from my brother. He broke down and cried like a baby almost every night after work. He did his job in spite of his strict religious convictions as a strict Mormon.

My brother was an OB/GYN and had his own practice for over 20 years in LA County. Then one patient sued him for the max of his insurance which was $1M. I won’t get into the details of the suit. They also filed a complaint with the AMA. In the meantime the AMA suspended his license to practice while they performed an investigation into the complaint brought by the patient. It took several years for them to clear my brother of any wrongdoing. But the insurance still paid out and he could no longer get insurance to practice medicine.

In the years that the AMA suspended his license do you know what he did? He took a job working at the LA County Public Health Facility providing prenatal care and counseling. Despite his religious beliefs he performed abortions because that is what his job required him to do. It literally brought him to his knees every night when he came home.

Despite your obvious bias towards people who are religious, 10’s of 1,000’s of people perform their jobs every day against their religious beliefs. If my brother can do it, ACB can certainly and easily do her job and rule per the law/constitution in spite of any religious beliefs she might have. You make it sound like religious people are a bunch of nuts. Your words, not mine. But in fact they are hard working Americans who put aside their religious beliefs every fucking day to do a fucking job they are asked and committed to do. Why do you have such a religious bias and hard on for ACB? Everybody else here sees it, maybe its time you do too.

I applaud your brother.  I truly hope she is as strong as your brother.  I have grown up skeptical of people, especially ones who have strong religious views.  With that is at stake I would rather not risk it.  Literally freedom and the future of America is at risk.  Its a slippery slope as we all know with the 2nd amendment.  First they outlaw abortion, next comes speech, then comes the thought police and you cant say anything negative about the government/religion.  Next thing we know we are Iran. I know many who tried to convert or force their beliefs on me so I am only human and go by experiences of the past.   I mean no offense to you or others but I feel its my duty as an American to protect freedom, freedom for all. 

So Roe v. Wade was a result of Sanger’s plan, through the use of “activist” judges and lying lawyers, to accomplish eugenics?

I enjoy my “tea” but I want to try some of whatever your taking.  (Oh shit, I didn’t put an apostrophe and re at the end of my your....something else you can comment on.  )

Ah shit, if you Guys want to argue the point argue the point.
Is Trump’s pick to replace RBG for SCOTUS a good and qualified one ?
Will she get through confirmation?
Is she Pro-2A ?

That’s the way I see it.

Abortion is settled law.
But don’t worry, anti-abortion States are working every loophole in the settled law to make it as difficult as possible.
Same as Hawaii is doing to our 2A Rights.

The right to buy, sell and own slaves was settled law.
Women barred from voting was settled law.
Prohibition was settled law, which was an actual Constitutional Amendment.
Legally owning fully automatic firearms was settled law.
In Texas, killing a person was justified if 3 people of good moral character testified the deceased "needed killing."  Settled law!

Your "settled law" argument is stupid.  The only laws written in stone, AFAIK, are enumerated 1 through 10. 

Even Supreme Court rulings have been reversed.  Here's a list of 10 such cases ...

10 Overturned Supreme Court Cases

The U.S. Supreme Court is the highest court in the nation. Its decisions set precedents that all other
courts then follow, and no lower court can ever supersede a Supreme Court decision. In fact, not even Congress
or the president can change, reject or ignore a Supreme Court decision.

American law operates under the doctrine of stare decisis, which means that prior decisions should be
maintained -- even if the current court would otherwise rule differently -- and that lower courts must abide
by the prior decisions of higher courts. The idea is based on a belief that government needs to be relatively
stable and predictable.

This means that overturning a Supreme Court decision is very difficult. There are two ways it can happen:

** States can amend the Constitution itself. This requires approval by three-quarters of the state legislatures --
no easy feat. However, it has happened several times.

** The Supreme Court can overrule itself. This happens when a different case involving the same constitutional
issues as an earlier case is reviewed by the court and seen in a new light, typically because of changing social and
political situations.

It isn't easy to do, but we've compiled a list of 10 Supreme Court cases that were later overturned. Many of them
left a permanent mark on American history.

Lochner v. New York (1905) and Adkins v. Children's Hospital (1923)
Chisholm v. Georgia (1793)
Adler v. Board of Education (1952)
Bowers v. Hardwick (1986)
Pace v. Alabama (1883)
Austin v. Michigan State Chamber of Commerce (1990)
Oregon v. Mitchell (1970)
Wolf v. Colorado (1949)
Dred Scott v. Sandford (1857)
Plessy v. Ferguson (1896)

https://money.howstuffworks.com/10-overturned-supreme-court-cases.htm

Dang I've seen some crazy stuff but this takes the cake.  First of it has to be alive to call it murder but that's another fight.  People like sex.  People don't always want babies. Mistakes happens. Stopping the mistakes before they are born and even a bigger mistake is perfectly fine.  Just like jacking off is perfectly fine you are killing all those millions of potential  lives 

People like a lot of things, but they choose not to do them if the risk of consequences is more than they are willing to accept.

People like sex because we are animals.  The drive to perpetuate the species is strong.  It's part of why we reproduce.  The urges are natural, but they also have a purpose: making babies.

To blindly ignore the risk of pregnancy for your own pleasure, then expect there to be no consequences is immature and selfish.  With the choices in contraceptions today, it's ridiculous that such a large number of people require abortions every year.

Having sex and making an unwanted baby is not a "mistake".  Wearing mismatched socks to work or leaving the front door open when leaving the house are "mistakes".

Having sex is a choice.  The baby is the unintended consequence of your irresponsible choice to have sex.  We all know the effectiveness rates of birth control methods.  Few are 100%.

If you CHOOSE to engage in sexual intercourse, and that results in a fertilized egg, it was not a mistake.  It was a result of your choice.

The right to buy, sell and own slaves was settled law.
Women barred from voting was settled law.
Prohibition was settled law, which was an actual Constitutional Amendment.
Legally owning fully automatic firearms was settled law.
In Texas, killing a person was justified if 3 people of good moral character testified the deceased "needed killing."  Settled law!

Your "settled law" argument is stupid.  The only laws written in stone, AFAIK, are enumerated 1 through 10. 

Even Supreme Court rulings have been reversed.  Here's a list of 10 such cases ...

10 Overturned Supreme Court Cases

https://money.howstuffworks.com/10-overturned-supreme-court-cases.htm

This exactly why I'm so worried just takes one judge to over turn it and ruin freedom. 

This exactly why I'm so worried just takes one judge to over turn it and ruin freedom.

How many abortions do you plan to have the next 5-10 years?  Sounds like you're overly optimistic with your "social agenda."   

I applaud your brother.  I truly hope she is as strong as your brother.  I have grown up skeptical of people, especially ones who have strong religious views.  With that is at stake I would rather not risk it.  Literally freedom and the future of America is at risk.  Its a slippery slope as we all know with the 2nd amendment.  First they outlaw abortion, next comes speech, then comes the thought police and you cant say anything negative about the government/religion.  Next thing we know we are Iran. I know many who tried to convert or force their beliefs on me so I am only human and go by experiences of the past.   I mean no offense to you or others but I feel its my duty as an American to protect freedom, freedom for all.

First of all, you really don’t seem to know what the fuck you are talking about. “Outlaw abortion”? Where in the world did you come up with that moronic idea? Anybody with half a brain knows 2 facts are in play here. First one is that the chance of SCOTUS ever voting just to rehear Rowe vs Wade is almost nil since most of the justices have already stated they won’t vote to rehear existing SCOTUS decisions. Chances are this will never come to SCOTUS to rehear. But the second fact is that even if SCOTUS rehears it and overturns it, WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN? I asked you that in an earlier post but you conveniently decided to NOT answer me. ANSWER THE QUESTION! Do you really think if it is overturned that abortion will be outlawed?