Poll

What is your stance on abortion?

Under no circumstances allowed
29.6%
Under rape/incest
25.9%
Under Medical or Genetic issues.
7.4%
Personal choice
33.3%
Forced
3.7%
Total Members Voted
27

Abortion (Read 227162 times)

changemyoil66

Re: Abortion
« Reply #980 on: September 03, 2021, 04:34:03 PM »
Holy full rahtard
Never go full retard.

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Brystont1

Re: Abortion
« Reply #981 on: September 03, 2021, 04:35:45 PM »

It's not about the future it's about the present.  There's no guarantee of what will happen.  If that was the case everyone wouldn't be alive because we will all die eventually.  Life is mainly judged on if it can survive.  If you pulled a baby out of the womb it would die.   It's not alive.   If you unplug the vegetable it would also die.  So not alive either. 

Human life also requires sentience which a fetus and brain dead person lacks.

So let’s say that you had an accident at the range and bullet goes through your brain. Your on life support (brain dead) but doctor says you can fully recover in 40 weeks. Since it’s all about the present your family could pull the plug on you right? Got it.

If only the government could step in on your behalf.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Abortion
« Reply #982 on: September 03, 2021, 04:41:53 PM »
someone just went full retard
this is what happens when someone visits the "satanic temple"
just sick definitely not a family person

I'm starting to think his new "steady girlfriend" takes PayPal $$ and may not even live in Hawaii.

God help us if he procreates.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: Abortion
« Reply #983 on: September 03, 2021, 04:52:30 PM »
I'm starting to think his new "steady girlfriend" takes PayPal $$ and may not even live in Hawaii.

God help us if he procreates.

Deeds Not Words

groveler

Re: Abortion
« Reply #984 on: September 03, 2021, 05:10:19 PM »

It's not about the future it's about the present.  There's no guarantee of what will happen.  If that was the case everyone wouldn't be alive because we will all die eventually.  Life is mainly judged on if it can survive.  If you pulled a baby out of the womb it would die.   It's not alive.   If you unplug the vegetable it would also die.  So not alive either. 

Human life also requires sentience which a fetus and brain dead person lacks.
I see you've read Dr. Peter Singer.  It was required reading at my university Philosophy class.
I assume it was required at your secular school?  His teaching are popular with Democrats.
 >:D

Glasser

Re: Abortion
« Reply #985 on: September 03, 2021, 05:26:54 PM »

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #986 on: September 03, 2021, 05:27:30 PM »
someone just went full retard
this is what happens when someone visits the "satanic temple"
just sick definitely not a family person

Not sick and I plan to procreate.  Will teach them to be open minded and freedom based and all about religious lies.

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #987 on: September 03, 2021, 05:33:26 PM »
So let’s say that you had an accident at the range and bullet goes through your brain. Your on life support (brain dead) but doctor says you can fully recover in 40 weeks. Since it’s all about the present your family could pull the plug on you right? Got it.

If only the government could step in on your behalf.

Slightly contradictory.  If you are brain dead then you can't recover.   I wouldn't want the government to step in.  Its between my family and my will.  If I lose my consciousness and sentience I am dead.  Living as a human has 2 main requirements.  Sentience and being able to survive (within reason).  Lack both and you are not alive.  A fetus lacks both.  A brain dead coma patient lacks both.  If you are somehow able to recover you don't lack both.  Hopefully this explains my thought process better.  An artificial heart etc, would be considered being able to survive, as other things like medicine etc. What makes humans unique and different than every other flesh blob on this planet is our ability to think and have a sense of self. 

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #988 on: September 03, 2021, 05:37:13 PM »
I see you've read Dr. Peter Singer.  It was required reading at my university Philosophy class.
I assume it was required at your secular school?  His teaching are popular with Democrats.
 >:D

I don't agree with many of his thoughts.  His realist views are good, but his morality isn't what I subscribe to.  I definitely have speciesism.  I think Humans are above all others on this planet.

Brystont1

Re: Abortion
« Reply #989 on: September 03, 2021, 05:45:06 PM »
Slightly contradictory.  If you are brain dead then you can't recover.   I wouldn't want the government to step in.  Its between my family and my will.  If I lose my consciousness and sentience I am dead.  Living as a human has 2 main requirements.  Sentience and being able to survive (within reason).  Lack both and you are not alive.  A fetus lacks both.  A brain dead coma patient lacks both.  If you are somehow able to recover you don't lack both.  Hopefully this explains my thought process better.  An artificial heart etc, would be considered being able to survive, as other things like medicine etc. What makes humans unique and different than every other flesh blob on this planet is our ability to think and have a sense of self.

Your the one contradicting yourself here.

Your the one that keeps comparing brain dead coma patients to a fetus. Yet a fetus will develop sentience (your word not mine) so by your own definition a fetus is not the same as a brain dead person.

Glasser

Re: Abortion
« Reply #990 on: September 03, 2021, 06:02:07 PM »
Your the one contradicting yourself here.



that was obvious when he declared he was a Satanist who loves the Government telling him what to do.
Being 'Edgy' when you are in the 7th grade is understandable, when you are still being a Try Hard as an adult, well you are just angry at your parents and they dont care anymore.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Abortion
« Reply #991 on: September 03, 2021, 06:23:29 PM »
Slightly contradictory.  If you are brain dead then you can't recover.   

One more time, I have to ask:  Where did you get your medical degree?

Another 'Brain Dead' Patient Wakes Up Just in Time
Quote
Twenty-one-year-old Zack Dunlap from Oklahoma appeared on NBC's Today Show
in 2008 to tell an incredible story of hearing a physician telling his parents that a PET
scan confirmed that he was brain dead after a catastrophic brain injury. While he was
being prepared for organ donation, however, he moved his arm purposely in response
to stimuli. Dunlap recovered, went to a rehabilitation hospital, and ultimately went home
48 days later, very much alive.[1]
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/902143

So, your first point is moot, because it is 100% FAKE NEWS and a lie.

Second point is that the coma patient achieved sentience before the event that cased "brain death."  The unborn child is developing into a sentient being.  They both happen to be something else at the present time.

If it is ethical to pull the plug on a coma patient who has little to no chance of regaining consciousness, how is it also ethical to abort a child that will, in all estimates, become conscious/sentient?  You're arguing for the killing of a human being based on FUTURE PROGNOSIS -- one is positive, the other negative.  Can't use future sentience to argue for or against one case and not use the same criteria to argue for or against another case.

You're consistent in your inconsistency.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

groveler

Re: Abortion
« Reply #992 on: September 03, 2021, 07:25:25 PM »
.....



I could not resist and got an un-expected answer.
I'll leave it there.
 :popcorn:

mrgaf

Re: Abortion
« Reply #993 on: September 03, 2021, 08:16:48 PM »
Not sick and I plan to procreate.  Will teach them to be open minded and freedom based and all about religious lies.

Please don’t procreate….. the horror!  :'(
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Only good liberal is one taking a dirt nap.

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #994 on: September 03, 2021, 09:40:59 PM »
One more time, I have to ask:  Where did you get your medical degree?

Another 'Brain Dead' Patient Wakes Up Just in Timehttps://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/902143

So, your first point is moot, because it is 100% FAKE NEWS and a lie.

Second point is that the coma patient achieved sentience before the event that cased "brain death."  The unborn child is developing into a sentient being.  They both happen to be something else at the present time.

If it is ethical to pull the plug on a coma patient who has little to no chance of regaining consciousness, how is it also ethical to abort a child that will, in all estimates, become conscious/sentient?  You're arguing for the killing of a human being based on FUTURE PROGNOSIS -- one is positive, the other negative.  Can't use future sentience to argue for or against one case and not use the same criteria to argue for or against another case.

You're consistent in your inconsistency.

I think its ethical,  99+% chance they are dead.  I would ask that my plug be pulled.  You can't get everything correct always.  We do capital punishment on criminals and we are never 100% sure.  Are you against that too?  We bomb terrorists and do many life and death decisions based on a very good chance.

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #995 on: September 03, 2021, 09:43:48 PM »
Your the one contradicting yourself here.

Your the one that keeps comparing brain dead coma patients to a fetus. Yet a fetus will develop sentience (your word not mine) so by your own definition a fetus is not the same as a brain dead person.

I see where u can get that.  My point is in the present neither have it.  The fetus could get a miscarriage.  It could die.  The future isn't certain.  We make our best guess and live with it.  What I do know is the mother is sentient,  and forcing someone to do something against their will isn't exact good...

See above post about the decisions we humans make over life and death.   That criminal on death row could become the worlds savior,  or that terrorist could cure cancer.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Abortion
« Reply #996 on: September 03, 2021, 10:37:43 PM »
I think its ethical,  99+% chance they are dead.  I would ask that my plug be pulled.  You can't get everything correct always.  We do capital punishment on criminals and we are never 100% sure.  Are you against that too?  We bomb terrorists and do many life and death decisions based on a very good chance.

Missed my points entirely.

#Doesn'tDeserveASwoosh!
« Last Edit: September 04, 2021, 05:32:04 AM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

Re: Abortion
« Reply #997 on: September 04, 2021, 05:23:13 AM »
I think its ethical,  99+% chance they are dead.  I would ask that my plug be pulled.  You can't get everything correct always.  We do capital punishment on criminals and we are never 100% sure.  Are you against that too?  We bomb terrorists and do many life and death decisions based on a very good chance.

if it's proven in a court of law, it's always true
or consensus...

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #998 on: September 04, 2021, 08:15:29 AM »
Life and uber will cover court costs for driving cause not only mailman can be sued under the stupid law. 

Glasser

Re: Abortion
« Reply #999 on: September 04, 2021, 10:10:52 AM »