HD, SD, or SHTF gun(s) (Read 9204 times)

drck1000

Re: HD, SD, or SHTF gun(s)
« Reply #40 on: November 17, 2020, 09:11:43 AM »
I run all my HD ammo in all my firearms prior to buying lots.  Usually rapid fire a few mags per firearm.  I rotate them once  a year for any that not in an ammo can.

Back ups are important.  I would feel naked if I only had 1 firearm and it went down.
Did you miss a comma or something in there?   ???

Did you mean you test the HD ammo in all of your firearms before you buy in greater quantity? 

Do you check POA/POI differences than your training ammo? 

You shoot up your HD ammo once a year?  Ballin'

changemyoil66

Re: HD, SD, or SHTF gun(s)
« Reply #41 on: November 17, 2020, 11:57:34 AM »
Did you miss a comma or something in there?   ???

Did you mean you test the HD ammo in all of your firearms before you buy in greater quantity? 

Do you check POA/POI differences than your training ammo? 

You shoot up your HD ammo once a year?  Ballin'

Test HD ammo in all firearms before buying in greater quantity.  No focus.

Don't check poa/poi cause I'm either shooting at steel or paper at less than 15 yards. 

Don't keep too much HD ammo loaded in mags. Only about half.  The other half of my mags are loaded with FMJ. 

Flapp_Jackson

Re: HD, SD, or SHTF gun(s)
« Reply #42 on: November 17, 2020, 12:06:28 PM »
Here's a couple questions:

1) How often do you make a point to shoot and/or test your SD/HD ammo?

2) Do you consider backups important for your SD/HD/SHTF firearms?

I try to clear my safe of defensive ammo every year or two.  I either replace it with the same or (supposedly) better ammo.  There are varieties specifically made for short-barrel pistols (Glock 26, S&W M&P Shield, etc.). I use those if I can find them.  Sometimes it's difficult to locate, so any good SD ammo will work.

When I get a new batch of defensive ammo, I also buy a couple/few test boxes.  lI shoot the test ammo, then load what I need in my mags/firearms.

I consider having firearms in multiple rooms very important.  I don't want to have to run to my bedroom to grab the only firearm I keep loaded and locked in a quick access safe.

Each room is a "backup", not including my safe -- which is my backup to my backups.  I keep a pistol in every room, plus pistols, rifles and shotguns in the safe -- some loaded, most not. 

To me "backup" implies a carry gun on an ankle or small of back holster you keep in case your primary carry weapon is out of ammo, gets taken from you, malfunctions, etc.  All my rooms have a primary weapon I'll use to make my way to the safe if I think more is needed.   :geekdanc: :thumbsup:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

Re: HD, SD, or SHTF gun(s)
« Reply #43 on: November 17, 2020, 12:20:22 PM »
Test HD ammo in all firearms before buying in greater quantity.  No focus.

Don't check poa/poi cause I'm either shooting at steel or paper at less than 15 yards. 

Don't keep too much HD ammo loaded in mags. Only about half.  The other half of my mags are loaded with FMJ.
I shoot mostly 115 & 124 and I have essentially the same POI/POA from FMJ to HD ammo.  Some folks here shoot poof poof ammo. . .  ;D

drck1000

Re: HD, SD, or SHTF gun(s)
« Reply #44 on: November 17, 2020, 01:34:11 PM »
I try to clear my safe of defensive ammo every year or two.  I either replace it with the same or (supposedly) better ammo.  There are varieties specifically made for short-barrel pistols (Glock 26, S&W M&P Shield, etc.). I use those if I can find them.  Sometimes it's difficult to locate, so any good SD ammo will work.

When I get a new batch of defensive ammo, I also buy a couple/few test boxes.  lI shoot the test ammo, then load what I need in my mags/firearms.

I consider having firearms in multiple rooms very important.  I don't want to have to run to my bedroom to grab the only firearm I keep loaded and locked in a quick access safe.

Each room is a "backup", not including my safe -- which is my backup to my backups.  I keep a pistol in every room, plus pistols, rifles and shotguns in the safe -- some loaded, most not. 

To me "backup" implies a carry gun on an ankle or small of back holster you keep in case your primary carry weapon is out of ammo, gets taken from you, malfunctions, etc.  All my rooms have a primary weapon I'll use to make my way to the safe if I think more is needed.   :geekdanc: :thumbsup:
I haven't really tested different batches.  However, I have noticed that I could go months between buying from a LGS and still have from the same batch.  Don't think that will be how things are now since ammo has been bought up.  I've narrowed down HD/SD, so just two choices.  I bought 147 gr 9 mm one time when 124 gr was out, but I ended up giving that away.  Not that it was bad, just rest of my stash was 124 gr. 

For backups, I was just thinking in terms of in the course of practice, training, competition, etc that a firearm would get damaged or a part fail.  Wasn't really thinking about backup in use, but good point.  Personally, I don't have guns all over my place. . . or do I?   ???  ;D

Flapp_Jackson

Re: HD, SD, or SHTF gun(s)
« Reply #45 on: November 17, 2020, 02:25:43 PM »
I haven't really tested different batches.  However, I have noticed that I could go months between buying from a LGS and still have from the same batch.  Don't think that will be how things are now since ammo has been bought up.  I've narrowed down HD/SD, so just two choices.  I bought 147 gr 9 mm one time when 124 gr was out, but I ended up giving that away.  Not that it was bad, just rest of my stash was 124 gr. 

For backups, I was just thinking in terms of in the course of practice, training, competition, etc that a firearm would get damaged or a part fail.  Wasn't really thinking about backup in use, but good point.  Personally, I don't have guns all over my place. . . or do I?   ???  ;D

I went to Front Sight training with a backup/spare.  My Glock 17 was having light primer strikes with the Fiocchi 9mm I was using.  Rather than mess around with the firing pin (I was using a pin and spring that was lower than OEM weight), I switched to my Sig P320.  Ran the whole case of ammo over 5 days without a single glitch.  I didn't even clean the gun at night for fear of causing another problem!

So, yes, I recommend when away from your gun storage to take a spare/backup.  Murphy loves an unprepared gun owner.

One of the things I love about this hobby is the engineering involved.  From firearm design to ammunition variances, there's always something to learn.  Sometimes, it's just a matter of knowing what ammo each firearm likes best, or what ammo runs universally in all of your guns.  Never leave that information up to something you saw on YouTube.  As they always (should) say, "Your mileage may vary."  Even though I tested my Glock with the lighter spring weight before going, I was using a brand of ammo I normally don't have.  The combination wasn't working well.  Saved a lot of headache and possible expense with the onsite gunsmith by swapping guns.

Anyway, I traveled to training with 2 holsters and enough mags for each to switch out if needed.  The mags were both double-stacked 9mm, so I used the same mag holders for both.  All the other gear (ear pro, eyes, speed loader, etc) were not firearm specific.  Therefore, taking a second pistol and mags really didn't add that much more to my baggage.  I even cut the foam in my Pelican case so I could have both firearms above/below each other with foam between them and foam against the case & lid.  Same case I normally only carried one pistol in.

When I travel and plan to CCW, I take a spare of the same caliber (11 lb limit  :thumbsup:).  In most states, I can travel with a firearm in the console or in plain sight -- depends on the laws and whether I'm open carrying or have CCW rights there.  That gives me one on the belt and one within arm's reach. 

I imagine most people only expect you to have one firearm.  That can play in your favor if you're forced to surrender your primary.

I also took a spare to KHSC for pistol competitions.  Of course, I've never gone target practicing with less than two, either.   Whether it's a spare or just for variety, sighting, or practice, I find a little variety makes the session more enjoyable.  If I have my only gun break after just arriving, that would really suck.  Obviously, packing a spare pistol on-island is not a problem.  Just do it!  (and don't forget the mags!  DOH!!)   :rofl:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

Re: HD, SD, or SHTF gun(s)
« Reply #46 on: November 17, 2020, 02:58:01 PM »
I haven't really tested different batches.  However, I have noticed that I could go months between buying from a LGS and still have from the same batch.  Don't think that will be how things are now since ammo has been bought up.  I've narrowed down HD/SD, so just two choices.  I bought 147 gr 9 mm one time when 124 gr was out, but I ended up giving that away.  Not that it was bad, just rest of my stash was 124 gr. 

For backups, I was just thinking in terms of in the course of practice, training, competition, etc that a firearm would get damaged or a part fail.  Wasn't really thinking about backup in use, but good point.  Personally, I don't have guns all over my place. . . or do I?   ???  ;D

to "a friend"

drck1000

Re: HD, SD, or SHTF gun(s)
« Reply #47 on: November 17, 2020, 03:09:19 PM »
I went to Front Sight training with a backup/spare.  My Glock 17 was having light primer strikes with the Fiocchi 9mm I was using.  Rather than mess around with the firing pin (I was using a pin and spring that was lower than OEM weight), I switched to my Sig P320.  Ran the whole case of ammo over 5 days without a single glitch.  I didn't even clean the gun at night for fear of causing another problem!

So, yes, I recommend when away from your gun storage to take a spare/backup.  Murphy loves an unprepared gun owner.

One of the things I love about this hobby is the engineering involved.  From firearm design to ammunition variances, there's always something to learn.  Sometimes, it's just a matter of knowing what ammo each firearm likes best, or what ammo runs universally in all of your guns.  Never leave that information up to something you saw on YouTube.  As they always (should) say, "Your mileage may vary."  Even though I tested my Glock with the lighter spring weight before going, I was using a brand of ammo I normally don't have.  The combination wasn't working well.  Saved a lot of headache and possible expense with the onsite gunsmith by swapping guns.

Anyway, I traveled to training with 2 holsters and enough mags for each to switch out if needed.  The mags were both double-stacked 9mm, so I used the same mag holders for both.  All the other gear (ear pro, eyes, speed loader, etc) were not firearm specific.  Therefore, taking a second pistol and mags really didn't add that much more to my baggage.  I even cut the foam in my Pelican case so I could have both firearms above/below each other with foam between them and foam against the case & lid.  Same case I normally only carried one pistol in.

When I travel and plan to CCW, I take a spare of the same caliber (11 lb limit  :thumbsup:).  In most states, I can travel with a firearm in the console or in plain sight -- depends on the laws and whether I'm open carrying or have CCW rights there.  That gives me one on the belt and one within arm's reach. 

I imagine most people only expect you to have one firearm.  That can play in your favor if you're forced to surrender your primary.

I also took a spare to KHSC for pistol competitions.  Of course, I've never gone target practicing with less than two, either.   Whether it's a spare or just for variety, sighting, or practice, I find a little variety makes the session more enjoyable.  If I have my only gun break after just arriving, that would really suck.  Obviously, packing a spare pistol on-island is not a problem.  Just do it!  (and don't forget the mags!  DOH!!)   :rofl:
When I've traveled to firearms course, I've taken two primary.  Maybe one time, I just took a backup upper.  In that case, I needed it.  Prior to that, my backup AR kept another student going in two separate courses.  One time, the same gun helped two different students. 

For matches, I've never taken a backup.  I don't have a second of the three pistols I compete with.  If one breaks, going home early. 

drck1000

Re: HD, SD, or SHTF gun(s)
« Reply #48 on: November 17, 2020, 03:09:35 PM »
to "a friend"
They have to earn it. . .  ;D