So you are saying masks are like scientists that believed the earth was flat? Then why in America is covid spiking?  We probably use masks the least vs asian countries with low covid numbers.  Is there an explanation for that?

And Puna, yes most of the protection of masks come from "source control"  Its why the people who are sick are the most important people to wear masks.  Less droplets are exhaled.  No one is saying masks are 100%, its about bettering the odds.   Are there any studies that show masks cause more covid?  Isn't everything past that just a benefit?  Even if you believe it helps very little.  Even 10% is 10% less spread. 

There's psychological benefits of masks too, Touch your face less be more wary of contact.  Keep the distance.  That also helps with spread.

please quote "studies" and show how many are reinfected
the numbers are less than 200 "possible" people reinfected
currently, there are over 45.600,000 positive tests
less than 200 is a infinitively small amount...

So you are saying masks are like scientists that believed the earth was flat? Then why in America is covid spiking?  We probably use masks the least vs asian countries with low covid numbers.  Is there an explanation for that?

Viruses spread until they are attenuated to the point of being rarely infectious or more commonly when the population achieves "herd immunity" (and there is a great debate as to what percentage of the population will need to have immunity, either from being infected of being successfully vaccinated, in order to achieve that state). One hypothesis re the Asian rates is that since most corona viruses originate there is that the people of that region have much more substantial T-cell cross-cell immunity due to much more frequent exposure to similar viruses.

And Puna, yes most of the protection of masks come from "source control"  Its why the people who are sick are the most important people to wear masks.  Less droplets are exhaled.  No one is saying masks are 100%, its about bettering the odds.   Are there any studies that show masks cause more covid?  Isn't everything past that just a benefit?  Even if you believe it helps very little.  Even 10% is 10% less spread.

Some large droplet may be impeded by various kinds of masks. The problem, as evidenced by the RCTs showing that masks (even quality medical masks) don't impede the spread of a virus, is that it is mostly spread by aerosols, not large droplets, and masks don't block aerosols. During this whole shitshow I've heard two people cough in retail stores, and they each coughed one time. Never heard anyone sneeze nor anyone scream or sing. The CDC asserts that one needs to be within 6 feet of a known infected person for at least 15 minutes to have a significant chance of getting infected (why 65% of the traced cases are to "home" and 15% to "work"). When was the last time you were shopping in a retail outlet and spent at least 15 minutes within 6 feet of a stranger? Yeah, like never. It's "safety theater". There is mounting evidence that masks cause health problems, but so far none that specifically indicate it spreads covid at a higher rate than no masks... though with all the people I see constantly touching their masks and contaminating them, and not disposing of them every two hours and/or washing them in 140 degree water every day, I wouldn't be surprised if at least bacterial infections are increased. Where'd you come up with 10%? The article you linked to said 2%, and that wasn't an RCT, just an observational study with no controls and could be completely wrong. You're on the slippery slope of manufactured statistics with no rigorous scientific backing, just like the people who claim we have to ban certain guns or magazines or whatever because it's possible that there will be a .03% lower overall crime rate if that's done. Garbage. What has been created is a mass hysteria (aka "the madness of crowds") with people screaming at and threatening people for not wearing a mask when they are outside and not even near anyone else. One could almost look at it as an experiment in mind control and population control. What's next?

There's psychological benefits of masks too, Touch your face less be more wary of contact.  Keep the distance.  That also helps with spread.

What's the "psychological benefit"? Falsely believing that you are protected or that you are protecting someone else though you don't have the virus and dub yourself a superior compassionate caring virtue signaler even though it's not true? I seriously doubt the people I've observed touching/adjusting their mask are touching their face less than without a mask. If anything re distance, they likely think that since they have a mask on and are thus protected/protecting, that the distance thing doesn't matter as much. That's the excuse Fauci gave when he recommended against mask wearing: "a false sense of security".

The politicians are all ignoramuses or liars. Maybe both. I'll let you decide.

Yes reinfection is rate but it's growing, studies have shown that immunity is fading. Less antibodies etc.  Is not like chicken pox where once infected your are pretty safe for life. 

Yes studies have shown winter will be worse than summer but Asia has similar weather to us.   Why are we only exploding?   I can't accurately factor in culture differences,  not a scientist. I'll see if there are any studies done on that. 

Psychology benefits include caution.  That's how we combat unhealthy activities like smoking. Unless your all think the science isn't correct on that too. 

Herd immunity wouldn't apply here.  Not sure what study you are looking at but this is a new virus. No one has much immunity and it spread very quickly in China and it doesn't now,  so if they had genetic immunity we shouldn't see that happen. 

What studies show that masks cause health problems?  If it's about oxygen levels,  we already it doesn't effect that.  I do agree there's need to be cautious, and I'll be honest I'm not a scientist. But I feel comfortable that if a majority of experts tell me something it's true. Just like I don't question doctors when I'm sick.  If 9/10 same the same thing I'll believe them.  Don't think that's mind control.  This trust applies to all facets of life some people have specialized skills.   You rely on them to do their job.   If 9 engineers say this is how you build this building safely you listen.  Don't search for the one that is different or your own opinion.  Don't blindly follow but most things are not conspiracy theories.  From everything I've read and all the scientists across the world, I believe that masks help.  I guess I can't convince anyone here.

Yes reinfection is rate but it's growing, studies have shown that immunity is fading. Less antibodies etc.  Is not like chicken pox where once infected your are pretty safe for life. 

Yes studies have shown winter will be worse than summer but Asia has similar weather to us.   Why are we only exploding?   I can't accurately factor in culture differences,  not a scientist. I'll see if there are any studies done on that. 

Psychology benefits include caution.  That's how we combat unhealthy activities like smoking. Unless your all think the science isn't correct on that too. 

Herd immunity wouldn't apply here.  Not sure what study you are looking at but this is a new virus. No one has much immunity and it spread very quickly in China and it doesn't now,  so if they had genetic immunity we shouldn't see that happen. 

What studies show that masks cause health problems?  If it's about oxygen levels,  we already it doesn't effect that.  I do agree there's need to be cautious, and I'll be honest I'm not a scientist. But I feel comfortable that if a majority of experts tell me something it's true. Just like I don't question doctors when I'm sick.  If 9/10 same the same thing I'll believe them.  Don't think that's mind control.  This trust applies to all facets of life some people have specialized skills.   You rely on them to do their job.   If 9 engineers say this is how you build this building safely you listen.  Don't search for the one that is different or your own opinion.  Don't blindly follow but most things are not conspiracy theories.  From everything I've read and all the scientists across the world, I believe that masks help.  I guess I can't convince anyone here.

Yes reinfection is rate but it's growing, studies have shown that immunity is fading. Less antibodies etc.  Is not like chicken pox where once infected your are pretty safe for life. 

Yes studies have shown winter will be worse than summer but Asia has similar weather to us.   Why are we only exploding?   I can't accurately factor in culture differences,  not a scientist. I'll see if there are any studies done on that. 

Psychology benefits include caution.  That's how we combat unhealthy activities like smoking. Unless your all think the science isn't correct on that too. 

Herd immunity wouldn't apply here.  Not sure what study you are looking at but this is a new virus. No one has much immunity and it spread very quickly in China and it doesn't now,  so if they had genetic immunity we shouldn't see that happen. 

What studies show that masks cause health problems?  If it's about oxygen levels,  we already it doesn't effect that.  I do agree there's need to be cautious, and I'll be honest I'm not a scientist. But I feel comfortable that if a majority of experts tell me something it's true. Just like I don't question doctors when I'm sick.  If 9/10 same the same thing I'll believe them.  Don't think that's mind control.  This trust applies to all facets of life some people have specialized skills.   You rely on them to do their job.   If 9 engineers say this is how you build this building safely you listen.  Don't search for the one that is different or your own opinion.  Don't blindly follow but most things are not conspiracy theories.  From everything I've read and all the scientists across the world, I believe that masks help.  I guess I can't convince anyone here.

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Herd immunity wouldn't apply here.  Not sure what study you are looking at but this is a new virus. No one has much immunity and it spread very quickly in China and it doesn't now,  so if they had genetic immunity we shouldn't see that happen. 

omni is too caught up in the matrix to be red pilled...

Never want to be "red" pilled.  If I took a pill it would be purple.  A mix of red and blue.

Never want to be "red" pilled.  If I took a pill it would be purple.  A mix of red and blue.

Herd immunity has nothing to do with genetics

i heard "from a friend' you need the blue pill...

So given a choice between two pills, you'd choose both?  That's not a choice.  It's an attempt to avoid commitment.  A compromise.

You only get one of the pills.  Whichever you take first is the one you live with.  Once you've taken one, there are no more choices available.  This isn't a f#@king restaurant!

Did you even see the Matrix?  All the members of the Nebuchadnezzar crew took the red pill.  They didn't have a choice of a second pill.

Red or Blue.  There is no "Take 'em both if you can't decide."   

Red = Reality / Republican
Blue = Obliviousness / Democrat

You want a combination?  Damn!!   

Never want to be "red" pilled.  If I took a pill it would be purple.  A mix of red and blue.

This is why independents are getting endangered everyone wants to box people into either side.  What do I do if I believe in parts of both sides?   Suck wind and get 50% of what I want?