Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread (Read 108366 times)

groveler

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #140 on: November 05, 2020, 03:36:04 PM »
Christians need to repent, get on their knees and pray for God's deliverance of our country.
I agree with you but,
it is with much wailing and Gnashing of teeth
to get me to pray for a Democrat,

Jl808

Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #141 on: November 05, 2020, 03:39:06 PM »
I agree with you but,
it is with much wailing and Gnashing of teeth
to get me to pray for a Democrat,
I believe that God is still going to let Trump win this thing.
I think, therefore I am armed.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Opinions on this Election?
« Reply #142 on: November 05, 2020, 03:41:22 PM »
Hmmm maybe I'm thinking of a different state.  Maybe Arizona or Nevada that required being verified.

Doesn't really matter Biden going to win without Pennsylvania.

Excuse me, but it matters greatly.  You made a statement of fact which was just proven to be false.

This is not acceptable.  You throw out fake "facts" and then gloss over (or ignore) when being called out for it.

I'm not looking for an apology.  What I am looking for is an admission that you posted bullshit based on no real facts to argue against provable, evidence-based information.

That puts you squarely in the camp of "disinformation."  You either stop doing this, or the "call outs" when you do it are going to be even more unpleasant -- for everyone reading, but especially you.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #143 on: November 05, 2020, 03:43:06 PM »
great advice / perspective from an IT SME who got scammed from a bot.

Was a person who used a bot and it wasn't a vulnerability in the system.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #144 on: November 05, 2020, 03:43:31 PM »
I agree with you but,
it is with much wailing and Gnashing of teeth
to get me to pray for a Democrat,

I pray for Democrats all the time.

WHAT I pray for them, you'll have to use your imagination.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: Opinions on this Election?
« Reply #145 on: November 05, 2020, 03:46:53 PM »
Excuse me, but it matters greatly.  You made a statement of fact which was just proven to be false.

This is not acceptable.  You throw out fake "facts" and then gloss over (or ignore) when being called out for it.

I'm not looking for an apology.  What I am looking for is an admission that you posted bullshit based on no real facts to argue against provable, evidence-based information.

That puts you squarely in the camp of "disinformation."  You either stop doing this, or the "call outs" when you do it are going to be even more unpleasant -- for everyone reading, but especially you.

I'm not apologizing. There's alot of fake news and confusion.  I'm not perfect but I will call stuff out.  Questioning each other is good.
Facts tend to prevail.  You are correct on that one court order but that's not the only verification step. They have to be registered. You can't make people up and stuff ballots.

drck1000

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #146 on: November 05, 2020, 03:47:52 PM »
They are the least corrupt and we need to believe them to have a society. If you don't believe in the courts why believe in anything.
Uh, what basis do you have for that assertion? 

You believe in courts?  Or you put your trust in the courts and court system? 

Depending on the court, many times you are putting the decision in the "hands" of individuals.  Look up litigation via arbitration, mediation, etc prior to going to jury.  In the end it's all humans. . .

drck1000

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #147 on: November 05, 2020, 03:48:17 PM »
great advice / perspective from an IT SME who got scammed from a bot.
Bazinga

Harsh, but Bazinga

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #148 on: November 05, 2020, 03:48:36 PM »
They are the least corrupt and we need to believe them to have a society. If you don't believe in the courts why believe in anything.

 I really can't believe you're still making statements that are disguised as facts, but are really just your opinion based on NO EVIDENCE.

5 Corrupt Judges & The Countless Lives They Tried To Destroy

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We'd like to think our justices and judges are defined by respect, duty and impartiality.
But behind that iconic black robe isn't always a tireless drive to uphold the Constitution
and laws of the United States. Some of the most revered judges are worse than the
criminals they should be sentencing. Below we examine five corrupt judges who will
make you question your faith in the legal system.

I worked for a man whose son and daughter were both victims of Hampton, Virginia's corrupt justice system.  From the Cops to the lawyers to the judges, they were all as crooked as sin.

Don't tell me -- this is a "feeling" you had.

https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/crimefeed/bad-behavior/5-corrupt-judges-the-countless-lives-they-tried-to-destroy
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #149 on: November 05, 2020, 03:48:58 PM »
I agree with you but,
it is with much wailing and Gnashing of teeth
to get me to pray for a Democrat,
"Everything you say before 'but' his horseshit" - Great Eddard Stark

drck1000

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #150 on: November 05, 2020, 03:49:53 PM »
I really can't believe you're still making statements that are disguised as facts, but are really just your opinion based on NO EVIDENCE.

5 Corrupt Judges & The Countless Lives They Tried To Destroy

I worked for a man whose son and daughter were both victims of Hampton, Virginia's corrupt justice system.  From the Cops to the lawyers to the judges, they were all as crooked as sin.

Don't tell me -- this is a "feeling" you had.

https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/crimefeed/bad-behavior/5-corrupt-judges-the-countless-lives-they-tried-to-destroy
No, no , no. . . They are THE least corrupt. . .

I have spoken. . .

 :rofl:

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Opinions on this Election?
« Reply #151 on: November 05, 2020, 03:50:56 PM »
I'm not apologizing. There's alot of fake news and confusion.  I'm not perfect but I will call stuff out.  Questioning each other is good.
Facts tend to prevail.  You are correct on that one court order but that's not the only verification step. They have to be registered. You can't make people up and stuff ballots.

Are you really going to argue that a signature that doesn't match is of no concern, because the ballot belonged to a registered voter at some  point ... maybe even before the registered voter DIED?

Hallelujah!  Another Democrat has arisen to cast his vote!
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: Opinions on this Election?
« Reply #152 on: November 05, 2020, 03:54:14 PM »
Are you really going to argue that a signature that doesn't match is of no concern, because the ballot belonged to a registered voter at some  point ... maybe even before the registered voter DIED?

Hallelujah!  Another Democrat has arisen to cast his vote!

It's a concern I personally don't agree with it and it should be fixed.  But saying there's is no verification is fake news.   It may be more loose but it exists.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Opinions on this Election?
« Reply #153 on: November 05, 2020, 04:01:27 PM »
It's a concern I personally don't agree with it and it should be fixed.  But saying there's is no verification is fake news.   It may be more loose but it exists.

Without knowing who cast that ballot, there is no verification process. 

Elections have 4 parts:

1) Voter registration -- make sure they can legally vote in that jurisdiction.

2) Voter identification -- make sure the person casting the ballot is the same as the registered voter on record.

3)  Ballot submission -- ensure only official ballots are submitted, they came from the voter above, the ballots are properly completed and are received by the deadline.

4)  Audit and count the ballots to ensure they are valid.  Most ballots have serial numbers for tracking.Ensure the number is associated with a registered and verified voter.  Ensure it arrived on time.  Ensure it's properly completed and, if mailed-in, has a proper signature that MATCHES the signature on file.

If any one of those parts is circumvented or not enforced, there IS NO VALIDATION OR VERIFICATION being done. 

Calling something "fake news" is not an argument, Mr. Disinformation.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

bass monkey

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #154 on: November 05, 2020, 04:15:06 PM »
There's been talk about the watermark.
Not sure if it's true or more conspiracy.

Crazy the count is taking this long though. 

punaperson

Re: Election Results 2020
« Reply #155 on: November 05, 2020, 04:17:33 PM »
I reluctantly have voted for Republicans for the last 46 years.
And probably will continue to do so. I always vote.
I'm a Libertarian that believes in a "Shock and Awe"
national defense.
So there is no party for me.
Like everything in life you compromise.
Good to know there is "no party" for you after saying you're a Libertarian, because their official party positions include no barrier to migration (i.e. "open borders"), no death penalty, abortion (including "partial birth" abortion) are matters of "personal conscience, etc. I have many values that coincide with some of the Libertarian positions. Charles C.W. Cooke wrote a book titled "Conservatarian" that co-mingles the personal liberty and freedom of the Libertarian values with conservative values. Good read.

omnigun

Re: Opinions on this Election?
« Reply #156 on: November 05, 2020, 04:33:47 PM »
Without knowing who cast that ballot, there is no verification process. 

Elections have 4 parts:

1) Voter registration -- make sure they can legally vote in that jurisdiction.

2) Voter identification -- make sure the person casting the ballot is the same as the registered voter on record.

3)  Ballot submission -- ensure only official ballots are submitted, they came from the voter above, the ballots are properly completed and are received by the deadline.

4)  Audit and count the ballots to ensure they are valid.  Most ballots have serial numbers for tracking.Ensure the number is associated with a registered and verified voter.  Ensure it arrived on time.  Ensure it's properly completed and, if mailed-in, has a proper signature that MATCHES the signature on file.

If any one of those parts is circumvented or not enforced, there IS NO VALIDATION OR VERIFICATION being done. 

Calling something "fake news" is not an argument, Mr. Disinformation.

The only way they can fraud is if they steal ballots.  They don't know who is registered and voted to do fake ballots.   I doubt they can perfectly reproduce the paper or envelopes.  Not in secret atleast on the scale they need to. 

It's a very low risk.  For a low reward not worth going to jail.  They would have to have a major operation to scale.  One guy frauding a few ballots does not change a election. I can be wrong but calling it easy fraud and that is happening is fake news.  There is no evidence of any fraud is happening. Just because it theoretically can happen.  Doesn't mean it is. 
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ren

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #157 on: November 05, 2020, 04:37:40 PM »
the biggest issue for me is how did a person who has lied, plagiarized and told the American people that he has done dumb things and will do dumb things again is here 40 years later. Are we that dumb as American People? I believe so, because we are seeing his statement that he is doing a dumb thing again at this election. If he becomes President this will be the person that will represent America across the world. A person who has used his position of power to enrich himself and his family. He wants that big fat golden parachute.
Trump doesn't need one - he made one before his entrance into politics.

Deeds Not Words

ren

Re: Opinions on this Election?
« Reply #158 on: November 05, 2020, 04:38:37 PM »
The only way they can fraud is if they steal ballots.  They don't know who is registered to do fake ballots.  I doubt they can perfectly reproduce the paper or envelopes.  Not in secret atleast on the scale they need to. 

It's a very low risk.  Low reward not worth going to jail.  I can be wrong but calling it easy fraud and that is happening is fake news.  There is no evidence of any fraud is happening. Just because it theoretically can happen.  Doesn't mean it is.

you are very naive - that I can prove to the tune of $100.
Deeds Not Words

aieahound

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #159 on: November 05, 2020, 04:49:00 PM »
The only way they can fraud is if they steal ballots.  They don't know who is registered to do fake ballots.  I doubt they can perfectly reproduce the paper or envelopes.  Not in secret atleast on the scale they need to. 

It's a very low risk.  Low reward not worth going to jail.  I can be wrong but calling it easy fraud and that is happening is fake news.  There is no evidence of any fraud is happening. Just because it theoretically can happen.  Doesn't mean it is. 

You might want to delete that post Omni.
One, I don’t think you thought that through.
Two, You’re gonna get lit up on that one.