Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread (Read 108333 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #480 on: November 12, 2020, 01:23:51 PM »
A single unverified random test to PO boxes.  Sure will overrule all personal experience and people I know.  Worst case it doesn't get delivered and your vote doesn't count,  it doesn't transform for the opposite party.  If anything if this was the case it would only help republicans.

Unverified?   :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:   It was conducted by CBS News, one of the most Liberal-Progressive-anti-Trump Networks in the MSM.  Do you honestly think they were biased?  That they somehow rigged their own test to FAIL?  They presented the process for the test -- not rocket science at all.

The Post Office is notorious for misdirected and lost mail.  They are not unique, but they tend to lose things more often than commercial carriers.

This test was performed under simple, normal 'use case' procedures.  They weren't testing a new drug and needing a blind control group, or comparing the Post Office with any other method of voting.  They simply wanted to see if the mail system can handle millions upon millions of ballots with no significant problems.

The results speak for themselves.  If you choose to ignore that reality, we can't do anything more than educate you.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him THINK.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

punaperson

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #481 on: November 12, 2020, 01:24:16 PM »
Here is an opinion piece (in one of omni's favorite sources, Newsweek) by Dr. Lott, author of the above 141-page research paper as to why most countries have rejected mail-in voting due to susceptibility to fraud:

Voting Fraud Is a Real Concern. Just Look Around the World

JOHN R. LOTT, JR. , PRESIDENT, CRIME PREVENTION RESEARCH CENTER

https://www.newsweek.com/voting-fraud-real-concern-just-look-around-world-opinion-1522535

Excerpt:

President Trump's comments on Thursday and Friday about voter fraud with mail-in ballots have sent the media into a frenzy. One "news" article after another since then has asserted that President Trump's warning is "baseless" (Associated Press and The Washington Post) or "without evidence" (The New York Times, Politico and NBC News).

Liberals and progressives often try to model the U.S. on Western European countries, but you never hear them arguing that we should adopt their voting rules. There is a reason for that. Banning mail-in voting or requiring people to use photo IDs to obtain a mail-in ballot is quite common in developed countries, especially in Europe.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #482 on: November 12, 2020, 01:26:55 PM »
A single unverified random test to PO boxes.  Sure will overrule all personal experience and people I know.  Worst case it doesn't get delivered and your vote doesn't count,  it doesn't transform for the opposite party. If anything if this was the case it would only help republicans.  97% is enough for me to trust it for my vote.

If we weren't in the middle of "the stupidest things I've ever heard in my life week," this would have been at the top of my list.

Here's a hint, little disrupter:

Republicans want the rules to apply evenly and fairly to everyone, because we know that, given a chance to be heard, our ideas win on the MERITS.  We don't want or need a skewed system to suppress Democrat votes.  Their radical ideas do that enough already.

What 97%?  Where are you getting these stats??
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #483 on: November 12, 2020, 01:31:16 PM »
Reminds me of that juice commercial.  You wouldn't accept a 97% complete car or roof.  Why let you juice be any different.  We use 100% real fruit juice.

omnigun

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #484 on: November 12, 2020, 01:36:19 PM »
If we weren't in the middle of "the stupidest things I've ever heard in my life week," this would have been at the top of my list.

Here's a hint, little disrupter:

Republicans want the rules to apply evenly and fairly to everyone, because we know that, given a chance to be heard, our ideas win on the MERITS.  We don't want or need a skewed system to suppress Democrat votes.  Their radical ideas do that enough already.

What 97%?  Where are you getting these stats??

Your own study said 97 out of 100 delivered that's 97% success rate... also I don't trust CBS they too liberal.. same way I don't trust brietbart.  The Republicans thing was not a jam against you but that mail in votes which are a majority democrat are influencing the election in a way to cause Trump to lose.  Lost democrat votes can't make Trump lose the vote...

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #485 on: November 12, 2020, 01:37:47 PM »
Reminds me of that juice commercial.  You wouldn't accept a 97% complete car or roof.  Why let you juice be any different.  We use 100% real fruit juice.

The thing is, while he's comfortable PERSONALLY that HIS vote has a reasonable change of making it to be counted, he completely ignores that even a 3% rate of failure is enough to swing many races in a state with close vote counts.

I guess he doesn't mind someone losing due to a "glitch" in the mail-in system, because "lazy".
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #486 on: November 12, 2020, 01:38:04 PM »
Your own study said 97 out of 100 delivered that's 97% success rate... also I don't trust CBS they too liberal.. same way I don't trust brietbart.  The Republicans thing was not a jam against you but that mail in votes which are a majority democrat are influencing the election in a way to cause Trump to lose. Lost democrat votes can't make Trump lose the vote...
:facepalm:

omnigun

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #487 on: November 12, 2020, 01:39:37 PM »
Reminds me of that juice commercial.  You wouldn't accept a 97% complete car or roof.  Why let you juice be any different.  We use 100% real fruit juice.
The thing is, while he's comfortable PERSONALLY that HIS vote has a reasonable change of making it to be counted, he completely ignores that even a 3% rate of failure is enough to swing many races in a state with close vote counts.

I guess he doesn't mind someone losing due to a "glitch" in the mail-in system, because "lazy".


Remember just like it's your freedom to vote,  it's also your freedom to not.  And it's your freedom to take a chance.   I happen to be comfortable taking a good odds chance my vote gets delivered and counted.  It's all up to the person.  Let freedom prevail.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #488 on: November 12, 2020, 01:50:14 PM »
Your own study said 97 out of 100 delivered that's 97% success rate... also I don't trust CBS they too liberal.. same way I don't trust brietbart.  The Republicans thing was not a jam against you but that mail in votes which are a majority democrat are influencing the election in a way to cause Trump to lose.  Lost democrat votes can't make Trump lose the vote...

Did you even bother to read beyond the first sentence in that paragraph?

Quote
Out of the initial batch mailed a week earlier, 97 out of 100 votes had arrived.
Three simulated persons, or 3% of voters, were effectively disenfranchised by
mail by giving their ballots a week to arrive. In a close election, 3% could be
pivotal.


Four days after mailing the second batch of mock ballots, 21% of the
votes hadn’t arrived.


According to Postal Service recommendations, “voters should mail their return ballots
at least one week prior to the due date.”

However, nearly half of all states still allow voters to request ballots less than a week
before the election.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #489 on: November 12, 2020, 01:52:33 PM »
Did you even bother to read beyond the first sentence in that paragraph?

he's a little lazy...

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #490 on: November 12, 2020, 01:55:18 PM »
he's a little lazy...

If he's a little lazy, then RBG is a little under the weather.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #491 on: November 12, 2020, 01:57:15 PM »
I think it was the other thread on elections, but much of this is principle.  If one is just ok with that, I guess. . .

Principle on votes being counted PROPERLY, based on rule of LAW.  Not at the whim of some official.  Voting is one of the few rights we enjoy, at least I think used to, close to original intent.  Gerrymangering aside.

Principle to investigate even allegations of misconduct before rushing to judge.  While I personally don't believe Trump will come out as the next President, if one doesn't have at least doubts on recent elections overall while things are investigated, then that's quite naive. 

Principle on coverage of the issues to sway or avoid it bubbling to the surface.  It is the VOTE that determines winners of elections, not the media.  I wish people would get those things straight. 



drck1000

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #492 on: November 12, 2020, 01:58:15 PM »
he's a little lazy...
But he expects everyone to read everything he posts.  As well as provide "proof" that he's wrong, even when he doesn't post anything of substance to back his "statements". 

Inspector

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #493 on: November 12, 2020, 03:25:57 PM »
I was just thinking (I know, very dangerous in my case lol!) that a lot of people showed up at the few polls offered on election day instead of doing the mail voting option.

And they braved long lines, ridiculous wait times, sometimes the cold, and the danger of virus infection.  But they persevered through these difficulties to do their duty and cast their vote.

These are not frivolous or indifferent voters to me.  They would have said "screw this" and gone home.  These people cared about the election process and showed they don't trust the mail for something as responsible and important as voting.

Keep on fighting Mr. President.  Those people in the lines believe what you believe.  And soon many many other people will realize the same.
I voted absentee ballot. And I dropped it off at a certified drop off location instead of mailing it. My wife has only voted once in the almost 30 years I have known her. She saw what was happening to the country and she, on her own without my help, registered to vote and asked me to take her to the polling place on Election Day. Which I did. We stood in line for almost 2 1/2 hours in the direct sun. For those of you who don’t know my wife is disabled and it was a hardship for her. Also, she is an at risk person and didn’t care we were much less than 6’ from others in an enclosed space when we got close to the voting booths. She wanted so badly to make her voice heard and vote that she did it without complaining. I am very proud of her. We stood in line with some who were much more disabled than my wife. And there were a lot of 80 somethings in line. There was even a guy who sat in the parking lot all day with chairs and water for those who had a hard time standing for so long in the hot sun. He also escorted all the old and disabled to their cars after they voted as the parking lot was quite large. Poll workers came out every half hour to give us an update on how long the wait was. My wife was given a sharpie to cast her vote and she couldn’t use it due top her nerve damage. They had to destroy her first ballot and reprint another one for her. She found a blue ball point pen in her purse and voted using that pen. I did not see one person leave even though the wait was 2 1/2 hours to vote. Most wore Patriotic and/or Trump shirts, hats and other things. It is our votes from our county that they have not counted yet and/or are still counting. I hope we make a difference.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

drck1000

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #494 on: November 12, 2020, 03:41:35 PM »
I voted absentee ballot. And I dropped it off at a certified drop off location instead of mailing it. My wife has only voted once in the almost 30 years I have known her. She saw what was happening to the country and she, on her own without my help, registered to vote and asked me to take her to the polling place on Election Day. Which I did. We stood in line for almost 2 1/2 hours in the direct sun. For those of you who don’t know my wife is disabled and it was a hardship for her. Also, she is an at risk person and didn’t care we were much less than 6’ from others in an enclosed space when we got close to the voting booths. She wanted so badly to make her voice heard and vote that she did it without complaining. I am very proud of her. We stood in line with some who were much more disabled than my wife. And there were a lot of 80 somethings in line. There was even a guy who sat in the parking lot all day with chairs and water for those who had a hard time standing for so long in the hot sun. He also escorted all the old and disabled to their cars after they voted as the parking lot was quite large. Poll workers came out every half hour to give us an update on how long the wait was. My wife was given a sharpie to cast her vote and she couldn’t use it due top her nerve damage. They had to destroy her first ballot and reprint another one for her. She found a blue ball point pen in her purse and voted using that pen. I did not see one person leave even though the wait was 2 1/2 hours to vote. Most wore Patriotic and/or Trump shirts, hats and other things. It is our votes from our county that they have not counted yet and/or are still counting. I hope we make a difference.
Now that right there shows appreciation for the right to vote!   :thumbsup:

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #496 on: November 17, 2020, 02:37:51 PM »
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-17/trump-attacks-on-vote-cost-him-in-georgia-gop-official-says

Bloomberg said they would not give Trump ANY positive press while the election is going on.

So, you know where this article belongs ....
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #497 on: November 17, 2020, 09:07:50 PM »
I think the election went about as good as it could have given the nature of everything that was going on.
I personally trust the results are, for the most part accurate.
I figured Biden would win due to Trump's performance and I was right.
I hoped we would keep of gain seats in congress and it looks like we have done that so I am glad there.
Trump was irresponsible in undermining the faith people have in the elections, just another example of how he has failed as a leader.
The voter turn out was bigger than it has ever been before, I am glad we got so much participation.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #499 on: November 17, 2020, 09:18:50 PM »
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-fires-top-cybersecurity-official-chris-krebs-via-tweet-for-debunking-his-rigged-election-claims

The problems with the election are not clearly a cybersecurity issue.  For Krebs to publicly put out a contradictory statement that undermines the President's position on ELECTION TAMPERING was not his place.

Trump is not under investigation for RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! now, so he's free to fire all the swap critters that raise their treasonous heads.

There is EVIDENCE the software from Dominion had real security and certification problems.  The results in this election show there were problems.  You have to wonder what the motivation was for Krebs to make that comment in the middle of Trump's law suits.

One can only guess, but I bet it has something to do with refilling the Swamp.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw