I prefer to buy local guns.... they're fresher.

This, or I work with a LGS and have them bring it in.  Even if it cost a little more.  I don't mind supporting LGS because I often ask them lots of questions.

Put out a realistic list of WTB, and I think you'll get realistic feedback.  Also, don't be a tool (like you have been) and I think folks will start taking you more seriously. 

Personally, I have long have what I "need" and a lot of what I want.  I don't think I would sell many guns.  There's maybe one or two that I might consider, but it would be at a premium.

Not sure why mine is unrealistic.  Yes, lots of people in Hawaii like to put premiums on guns.  I am not able to afford these premiums, which forces me to go to the mainland for deals.   I am not trying to be a tool,  I just don't tend to fit in exactly with everyone's political opinions. 

This, or I work with a LGS and have them bring it in.  Even if it cost a little more.  I don't mind supporting LGS because I often ask them lots of questions.

LGS are getting slammmmmed so I don't want inconvenience them to go searching for guns that are not in production.   These rare guns are the ones I want.  They can make far more money from servicing other people, who want production guns like a glock.  Can't exactly say, hey I am looking for a p7m8 can you order one from your vender. 

Not sure why mine is unrealistic.  Yes, lots of people in Hawaii like to put premiums on guns.  I am not able to afford these premiums, which forces me to go to the mainland for deals.   I am not trying to be a tool,  I just don't tend to fit in exactly with everyone's political opinions.

Maybe I'm exaggerating, but like this:

Luger P08
HK91
Benelli M4

People who own those aren't going to sell it cheap and IF they entertain selling, they're not going to want to deal with a yahoo.  Your being a tool has nothing to do with your political opinions.  As someone who owns some premium firearms, I can tell you that's what I think. 

This, or I work with a LGS and have them bring it in.  Even if it cost a little more.  I don't mind supporting LGS because I often ask them lots of questions.

That's generally what I do as well.  My Gucci Glocks, I ordered straight from the mfr on their Black Friday sale and used a "friend" FFL.  Other than that, I generally go through LGS.  I spread my spending to LGS many times when I could get items online.  To me, good to spend money with them regularly. 

But, how many LGS stock purple stuff?   

In today's environment of Internet-based scams, anyone who doesn't do the minimum due diligence gets no sympathy from me.

My mom was close to retirement when I bought her a PC with all the trimmings, including setting up her cable Internet service.  Since I was in HI and she in NC, I knew she'd need my help but would have difficulty over the phone (it took me almost an hour to walk her through unplugging her mouse and plugging in a trackball).

So, I installed pcAnywhere so I could remote into her PC and fix problems and install updates. 

Now that she was cruising the Information Super-Highway, I constantly reminded her how to avoid scams, and to ask if she was ever concerned.

One day she got a call from "her bank" trying to get her to verify her checking information by reading them info from a check.  She kept them on the line for 2 hours!  She kept asking obvious questions, and when told to get her checkbook, she couldn't find it.      Right after that, she called the local FBI office as I'd told her and filed a report.  The scammer called back the same week.  My mom ran him in circles for so long, he started calling her stupid and slinging all sorts of insults!   

If an elderly woman with zero IT experience can be taught to protect herself from scammers, I don't believe a college-educated IT "expert" is unable to do the same.

It's arrogance and hubris which is in play.  If you think you're smarter/better than scammers, you'll pretend it can't happen to you.

I'm not the slightest bit surprised to hear this is not the first time OMIGOD has been taken to the cleaners.  If you have to touch a glowing, red burner on a stovetop to know it's hot, and you've been burned before, obviously you're a slow learner.

The first time I made a purchase or bid on an auction on eBay, I read whatever I could find on protecting myself from scams and how to tell a bogus ad from a real on.  The same was true on Craig's List, Amazon, Newegg, Gun Broker, etc.  The ONLY time I was taken was for $60 for a Kydex holster.  I was traveling back and forth to NC because My mom was in a care center after a series of strokes.  I finally sat down after a month or more and realized I hadn't received a shipping email.  When I contacted the seller, they said they were back ordered due to high demand.  This was during the Sandy Hook aftermath when every gun store in the country was sold out of everything.  They gave a date it should ship, and I accepted that.  Two months later, nothing.  Tried them again, and couldn't contact them.  Turns out, they closed the online storefront without delivery thousands of orders.  I only ordered with them because an ad was being shared on FB through reputable gun-related accounts.

After searching the BBB for the company, I learned they had 100+ complaints and were no longer active.  Since it was 3 months or more since the order, my credit card company couldn't do a charge-back.  Just what I needed on top of the stuff I was dealing with in NC.

I still don't know for sure it was a scam.   It may have very well been a legit business that ran into cash flow problems and decided stiffing paying customers was their best option.  Although, I do know scammers take the time and effort to set up LLCs for a phony business, take orders (and payments), then run off with the cash only to do it again and again.  By ripping off each customer for less than $100, they can be pretty sure no single customer is going to make a effort to find and sue them. 

So, yes these things can and do happen everyday.  But that doesn't mean you can be sloppy and lazy and shrug it off as, "That's life". 

"Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me."  if you can't be bothered to search for readily available information at your fingertips, you deserve what you get.  One of the easiest is to just Google the name of the retailer and the word "scam".  Anyone reporting a scam that matches should appear.  Often, if it's a well established company, you can find individual blogs reviewing the company in great detail. 

There's no magic shield to protect against scammers, but that doesn't mean you should make it easy for them.   

I'm trying to not make this insulting -- just objectively truthful.  Sometimes the truth hurts. 

That's generally what I do as well.  My Gucci Glocks, I ordered straight from the mfr on their Black Friday sale and used a "friend" FFL.  Other than that, I generally go through LGS.  I spread my spending to LGS many times when I could get items online.  To me, good to spend money with them regularly. 

But, how many LGS stock purple stuff?   

If he ever goes to KGS, I pray someone has the sense to video record the conversation with Daniel!   

That's generally what I do as well.  My Gucci Glocks, I ordered straight from the mfr on their Black Friday sale and used a "friend" FFL.  Other than that, I generally go through LGS.  I spread my spending to LGS many times when I could get items online.  To me, good to spend money with them regularly. 

But, how many LGS stock purple stuff?   

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If he ever goes to WGS, I pray someone has the sense to video record the conversation with Daniel!   

KGS?

That would be interesting.   

KGS?

That would be interesting.   

Yep.  Brain wasn't in gear yet.

This mindlessness is contagious!

FYI other scams I had were mostly when I was young and through online games. 

You take risks in life sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.  I like to belive in the good of people. If they scam me hopefully  karma catches up to them.  I've never scammed anyone.   That's just how I live life.   You can't always be paranoid on things you don't control.  I've been cheated on in relationships, but I can't believe that all women cheat if not ill never have another relationship.  Can't control others.  Just be a decent human and hopefully more good things happen to you than bad.  I've done risky deals where it actually worked out and I got a great deal.  Then sometimes things like this happens. 

FYI other scams I had were mostly when I was young and through online games. 

You take risks in life sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.  I like to belive in the good of people. If they scam me hopefully  karma catches up to them.  I've never scammed anyone.   That's just how I live life.   You can't always be paranoid on things you don't control.  I've been cheated on in relationships, but I can't belive that all women cheat if not ill never have another relationship.  Can't control others.  Just be a decent human and hopefully more good things happen to you than bad.

So, the other scams were like last month?   

 

Sorry, had to.  I mean I am quite trusting of people, but as a very wise good friend tells me "trust, but verify". 

While I am sure we all can keep railing on you, you HAVE to take responsibility and own up to things.  You're still passing off the responsibility as "because others take advantage".  Eh, that's life!  Unless you change, you're going to keep getting taken advantage of. 

That said, I know folks who own waterfront property in Arizona.  Prob not far from uber nice gun range.  I heard they are willing to sell, pretty cheap. . .

So, the other scams were like last month?   

 

Sorry, had to.  I mean I am quite trusting of people, but as a very wise good friend tells me "trust, but verify". 

While I am sure we all can keep railing on you, you HAVE to take responsibility and own up to things.  You're still passing off the responsibility as "because others take advantage".  Eh, that's life!  Unless you change, you're going to keep getting taken advantage of. 

That said, I know folks who own waterfront property in Arizona.  Prob not far from uber nice gun range.  I heard they are willing to sell, pretty cheap. . .

When I was heavy into mmorpgs in my preteen and teen years.   

True.  I am going to use this as a learning experience and do that while trust but verify. 

It's a sad world that there's people out there who are untrustworthy.  We are all Americans we should help each other not hurt.   Hopefully they see their errors and change or karma or if the magic man in the sky exists everything will equalize out in the end.

When I was heavy into mmorpgs in my preteen and teen years.   

True.  I am going to use this as a learning experience and do that while trust but verify. 

It's a sad world that there's people out there who are untrustworthy.  We are all Americans we should help each other not hurt.   Hopefully they see their errors and change or karma or if the magic man in the sky exists everything will equalize out in the end.

mmporgs?  What kind of sorcery is that?  Haha

I mean I get what you're saying.  I do somewhat believe in what goes around comes around, but not to the point of "protection" or "penalties".  I mean I'm not totally jaded to where I don't trust anyone.  Actually, quite the opposite.  But YOU are in control of the choices YOU make in life.  YOU!!!  Own it, and I think you'll grow more from it. 

Anyways, my 0.02 as the extra cup of coffee is kicking. . .

mmporgs?  What kind of sorcery is that?  Haha

I mean I get what you're saying.  I do somewhat believe in what goes around comes around, but not to the point of "protection" or "penalties".  I mean I'm not totally jaded to where I don't trust anyone.  Actually, quite the opposite.  But YOU are in control of the choices YOU make in life.  YOU!!!  Own it, and I think you'll grow more from it. 

Anyways, my 0.02 as the extra cup of coffee is kicking. . .

Lol thanks for the advice.  Maybe over time I'll become jaded 🤣 hope not lol

When I was heavy into mmorpgs in my preteen and teen years.   

True.  I am going to use this as a learning experience and do that while trust but verify. 

It's a sad world that there's people out there who are untrustworthy.  We are all Americans we should help each other not hurt.   Hopefully they see their errors and change or karma or if the magic man in the sky exists everything will equalize out in the end.

If you give me $100, I'll hook you up with hot and horny chicks within 5 miles of you. 

As president of the Tin Foil Society, I suggest you suspect everything.  Except for the hot and horny girls within 5 miles, that's real.

If he ever goes to KGS, I pray someone has the sense to video record the conversation with Daniel!   

And then tell him HK's are better than Glocks followed by that you were in the military and trained with all firearms.

If you give me $100, I'll hook you up with hot and horny chicks within 5 miles of you. 

As president of the Tin Foil Society, I suggest you suspect everything.  Except for the hot and horny girls within 5 miles, that's real.

If I give you $500, will you expand that range to 25 miles?  :hmm:

And then tell him HK's are better than Glocks followed by that you were in the military and trained with all firearms.

Taurus > Beretta

Who's paranoid?  You've already proven on more than one transaction that someone really is out to get you!

Paranoid is another name for "fear" (yes, these are synonyms).

I don't fear scammers.  I prepared myself to recognize one when I see it.  I try to keep up on Internet scam methods, because the people who know me ask my advice (a "real" IT guy).

IT is a profession that is always changing, not only the technology but also in the ways people apply it.  It's required in this field to stay informed of these changes. 

Some people just don't use technology for good.  Hopefully we all know that fact.

In 2016, the Democrat National Committee was scammed by a phishing email.  That's how someone hacked their emails, which to some degree helped Trump win.  It doesn't take being paranoid to not click on a phishing email link before confirming who the sender was.  A quick phone call to the supposed sender would have been wise.  But, that requires experience and personal responsibility, as well as a work ethic that helps one follow the rules even when nobody is watching.

Wise ... that's a word we don't use often now.  Wisdom used to be something people in the US valued, respected and wanted.  Now, too many are raised with no values, no respect, arrogance and a desire fort whatever the last commercial we saw told us we "needed." 

Taking responsibility for one's own actions, as DRCK1000 said, is really where the solution lies.

I remember a line from the movie The Godfather:  "Women and children can afford to be careless, but not men."  In that era, men of the family took care of the women and children.  They had to take responsibility for themselves and for other family members.  If they made a critical mistake, everyone in the family was impacted.

It's no wonder you don't seem to get this.  We brought up personal responsibility in the abortion train wrecks many times, but you always supported a guilt-free, responsibility-free abortion system so everyone can screw their brains out without remorse or consequences.

Carelessness ..... Ainokea.  It all makes perfect sense.