If 1 uses logic and reasoning, it's pretty easy to see there is fraud.  1 doesn't have to wait for a court ruling.  Courts have made mistakes through out history.  A huge example is at the end of WW2 there were 800,000 Nazi soldiers.  Not German soldiers, but Nazi soldiers. Only a few hundred of those were convicted of war crimes.  And only about 25 executed. OJ was found not guilty of murder.  And the list goes on and on.  And Hillary's quote  about a child rapist "I know he did it, but I got the evidence thrown out anyways. Haha".

Of course courts have made mistakes but if there was fraud or even just massive levels of mistakes, courts are the redress. Other than local officials performing audits and verifications, disputes get resolved through the courts.

I disagree though, I do not think it can be concluded that there was widespread fraud. A few red flags here and there, maybe a few wisps of smoke, but fire, no strong evidence of widespread fraud.

Who knows, but at this point any redress has to prove that that there was fraud, not prove that there wasn't fraud.

What? 

Of course courts have made mistakes but if there was fraud or even just massive levels of mistakes, courts are the redress. Other than local officials performing audits and verifications, disputes get resolved through the courts.

I disagree though, I do not think it can be concluded that there was widespread fraud. A few red flags here and there, maybe a few wisps of smoke, but fire, no strong evidence of widespread fraud.

For real?   

You mean the courts aren't the arbiters of truth?  Well fook me. . .

[sarcasm]

Of course courts have made mistakes but if there was fraud or even just massive levels of mistakes, courts are the redress. Other than local officials performing audits and verifications, disputes get resolved through the courts.

I disagree though, I do not think it can be concluded that there was widespread fraud. A few red flags here and there, maybe a few wisps of smoke, but fire, no strong evidence of widespread fraud.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt

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Of course courts have made mistakes but if there was fraud or even just massive levels of mistakes, courts are the redress. Other than local officials performing audits and verifications, disputes get resolved through the courts.

I disagree though, I do not think it can be concluded that there was widespread fraud. A few red flags here and there, maybe a few wisps of smoke, but fire, no strong evidence of widespread fraud.

The courts and most of America agree there is no mass fraud.  So do I.  Though many on this forum don't.   Don't think you can convince them.   Maybe in a few years they will figure it out after exhausting their resources like the democrats did in 2016.  Took about 4 years but they figured it out.  Wonder how long the trumpets will take. 

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We already have a first martyr for the cause and she apparently was a military veteran. 74 million people think the election was rigged out of a country of 300 million. How many of those 74 million are highly motivated with nothing to lose? The smart play would be massive electoral reform but as we know these are not the smartest people we are dealing with

Antifa/blm can burn the cities, loot, destroy and not 1 is shot by law enforcement.

Trump supporter at most trespasses and gets killed.

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Its finally over.  Still no evidence of mass fraud enough to persuade congress or the house.  Trump is out.  I'm sure the trumpets will bitch for 4 more years wonder what will come from that.  Just like the useless democrats accusations the courts will be the final judge.

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Antifa/blm can burn the cities, loot, destroy and not 1 is shot by law enforcement.

Trump supporter at most trespasses and gets killed.

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Antifa and BLM were mostly targeting working people and congress obviously does not care about what kind of crisis the average American is facing. They can always find money for wars and bailouts for big banks but we get 600 in shut up money. Their approval rating is 11% for a reason.

Matt Gaetz from Florida made a great point that at least we got a break from the left whining about defunding the police for a day.

What? 

Innocent until proven guilty basically. Say the government thought you voted illegally or interfered with voting illegally. The government has to go to court and prove that you did so. Say the courts find you not guilty of voter fraud, that is the end of it, the government doesn't get to throw you in jail anyway.

For real?   

You mean the courts aren't the arbiters of truth?  Well fook me. . .

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Justice Stephen Bryer said something to the effect (I am paraphrasing) that the supreme court isn't the final word because they are right but that they are right because they are the final word. In other words he acknowledges that the courts aren't always right but that there is no other legal recourse. We have a process and though you may not have felt like they made the right choice but it is the process. The government certainly doesn't get to throw you in jail after courts find you not guilty under the argument "courts aren't always right"

Justice Stephen Bryer said something to the effect (I am paraphrasing) that the supreme court isn't the final word because they are right but that they are right because they are the final word. In other words he acknowledges that the courts aren't always right but that there is no other legal recourse. We have a process and though you may not have felt like they made the right choice but it is the process. The government certainly doesn't get to throw you in jail after courts find you not guilty under the argument "courts aren't always right"

Sarcasm...

But to clarify, that comment was because some have this view that truth is what the courts find and/or decide.

Sarcasm...

But to clarify, that comment was because some have this view that truth is what the courts find and/or decide.

That is what I thought you were getting at so I tried to lay it out .

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Repost the Matt Gaetz speech from after the riot, pointing out the double standard when it comes to things like "evidence"

Epoch Times infographic details US Election interference by China

https://m.theepochtimes.com/infographic-chinas-2020-election-interference_3645973.html

game over media won...the People lost