Election Fraud Evidence Thread (Read 528295 times)

punaperson

Re: Election Fraud Evidence Thread
« Reply #540 on: November 21, 2020, 04:10:40 PM »
Very lengthy article. Of special interest to math nerds, but with explanations of the meaning of the mathematical evidence suitable for the non-numerically oriented.

Explosive: New Data From Rigorous Statistical Analysis Points to Voter Fraud in Montgomery County, PA

https://www.revolver.news/2020/11/explosive-new-data-from-rigorous-statistical-analysis-points-to-voter-fraud-in-montgomery-county-pa/

Executive Summary

We find considerable evidence consistent with the possibility of electoral fraud in vote counts in Montgomery County, PA.

In particular, we examine a highly anomalous update to mail vote totals in the NYT/Edison data which enormously benefited Biden, and which looks suspicious on a number of dimensions.

At a high level, our results are suggestive of a new and highly suspicious batch of mail ballots being added to the count sometime between Wednesday early morning and Thursday morning. These ballots are drawn from an implausible distribution that enormously favored Biden and simultaneously harmed Trump (the latter being done in addition by allocating more votes to Jorgensen). Said mail ballots end up being extremely different both from the mail ballots that came before (as measured in NYT data), and the mail ballots that came afterwards (as measured in the county’s own data).

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Election Fraud Evidence Thread
« Reply #541 on: November 21, 2020, 04:16:26 PM »
Very lengthy article. Of special interest to math nerds, but with explanations of the meaning of the mathematical evidence suitable for the non-numerically oriented.

Explosive: New Data From Rigorous Statistical Analysis Points to Voter Fraud in Montgomery County, PA

https://www.revolver.news/2020/11/explosive-new-data-from-rigorous-statistical-analysis-points-to-voter-fraud-in-montgomery-county-pa/

Executive Summary

We find considerable evidence consistent with the possibility of electoral fraud in vote counts in Montgomery County, PA.

In particular, we examine a highly anomalous update to mail vote totals in the NYT/Edison data which enormously benefited Biden, and which looks suspicious on a number of dimensions.

At a high level, our results are suggestive of a new and highly suspicious batch of mail ballots being added to the count sometime between Wednesday early morning and Thursday morning. These ballots are drawn from an implausible distribution that enormously favored Biden and simultaneously harmed Trump (the latter being done in addition by allocating more votes to Jorgensen). Said mail ballots end up being extremely different both from the mail ballots that came before (as measured in NYT data), and the mail ballots that came afterwards (as measured in the county’s own data).

Sorry.  Evidence can't be based on math and science (statistics is actually a science).

If it can't be understood by people who disagree with the conclusions, it doesn't get to be called evidence.  That puts it squarely in the default column labeled "Conspiracy Theory".

 :crazy: :geekdanc:
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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aletheuo137

Re: Election Fraud Evidence Thread
« Reply #542 on: November 21, 2020, 05:00:42 PM »
I hope what they said here is true. But I have to wait to see it before I’ll jump on that train. Saying it and bringing something substantial to court are two different things and I’ll be very happy if even half of it is true and provable. Thanks for this link.
She defended General Michael Flinn. I'll side with her to say I believe she's credible. But it still has to play out. Anything can happen at this point.

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punaperson

Re: Election Fraud Evidence Thread
« Reply #543 on: November 21, 2020, 05:12:10 PM »
"Evidence"

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/federal-election-commission-chairman-trump-campaign-bringing-legitimate

"The Trump campaign is bringing legitimate accusations to court through affidavits of credible witnesses and other evidence used in its challenges to electoral outcomes in various states", Federal Election Commission Chairman Trey Trainor said.

The "massive amounts of affidavits that we see in these cases show that there was in fact fraud that took place," said FEC Chairman Trey Trainor. "And the other side really needs to answer these questions."

Trainor said his review of evidence, including numerous affidavits claiming voter fraud and a sworn statement by a prominent mathematician flagging up to 100,000 Pennsylvania ballots, met the first level of legal scrutiny under what's known as motion to dismiss or Rule 12(b)(6) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, which would dismiss less credible claims.

Noting the subsequent legal threshold beyond a motion to dismiss is the summary judgment phase, Trainor said that under this phase, the credibility of witnesses is presumed to be accurate, especially given the caliber of the testimonies Trainor has observed to date.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Election Fraud Evidence Thread
« Reply #544 on: November 21, 2020, 05:14:40 PM »
She defended General Michael Flinn. I'll side with her to say I believe she's credible. But it still has to play out. Anything can happen at this point.

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Everyone on the talking head shows that bothered to discuss the ongoing election said she's one of the most successful lawyers in history because she represents clients who have the best cases.

If she says she sees smoke, you ought to go ahead and break out the wieners and marshmallows.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Election Fraud Evidence Thread
« Reply #545 on: November 21, 2020, 05:20:12 PM »
Remember when the Democrats were demanding the process be delayed in order to completely investigate EVERY SINGLE ACCUSATION of criminal and unethical conduct made against Brett Kavanaugh over the last 30+ years?

Good times!   :geekdanc:

Now, the election results are "too important to delay" for an investigation into hundreds of accusation of criminal acts committed less than a month or two ago.  We'll do the investigation later, AFTER Biden gets sworn in.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

punaperson

Re: Election Fraud Evidence Thread
« Reply #546 on: November 21, 2020, 05:32:47 PM »
Sidney Powell tonight on NewsMax (19 minutes):



Here's a 6 minute version of the highlights, embedded in a tweet:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1330339378892247043

groveler

Re: Election Fraud Evidence Thread
« Reply #547 on: November 21, 2020, 05:54:00 PM »
Sorry.  Evidence can't be based on math and science (statistics is actually a science).

If it can't be understood by people who disagree with the conclusions, it doesn't get to be called evidence.  That puts it squarely in the default column labeled "Conspiracy Theory".

 :crazy: :geekdanc:
"Sorry.  Evidence can't be based on math and science (statistics is actually a science)"

I got an A- in "Sadistics" which is what I called it.
The history of the "science" was for gamblers to get an "edge".
That is not science, that is playing the odds in a given scenario
either now or the future.
That is Mathematics.
Science is observation, and testing forever.
Nothing is ever settled in Science.
In Mathematics,  you arrive at a solution.
that is it, till it fails.
Just saying.



aletheuo137

Re: Election Fraud Evidence Thread
« Reply #548 on: November 21, 2020, 06:25:41 PM »
This is Hawaii.  The only people that vote here
are government and union employees, the majority of
workers in the state.  Add in a Few Republicans for show.
The only choice we get is which Democrat party member
do we get to vote for?  Even in "non-partisan" races.
Many people have given up voting and it shows.
No need to cheat.
Hawaii is run like a third world Banana Republic shithole that
happens to be lucky enough to be an American state.
You had to be at the rallies. In all my years living here, almost 60. I've never seen this kind of support for a president.

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aletheuo137

Re: Election Fraud Evidence Thread
« Reply #549 on: November 21, 2020, 06:28:54 PM »
Freedom!

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Election Fraud Evidence Thread
« Reply #550 on: November 21, 2020, 06:58:28 PM »
"Sorry.  Evidence can't be based on math and science (statistics is actually a science)"

I got an A- in "Sadistics" which is what I called it.
The history of the "science" was for gamblers to get an "edge".
That is not science, that is playing the odds in a given scenario
either now or the future.
That is Mathematics.
Science is observation, and testing forever.
Nothing is ever settled in Science.
In Mathematics,  you arrive at a solution.
that is it, till it fails.
Just saying.

I disagree:  Statistics is a science.  But, like all sciences, it lends itself to fakery if in the wrong hands.  It is constantly evolving, just as any other science does, as technology and discoveries continue to be added to the disciplines.

Quote
Statistics, the science of collecting, analyzing, presenting, and interpreting data.

https://www.britannica.com/science/statistics

Science requires a well-established, provable and repeatable process that takes known and hypothesized data and seeks to discover the unknown.

With the advent of computer technology, many early theorems, principles, rules and formulas were finally able to be simulated. 

Since you mentioned gambling, many Black Jack "basic strategy" rules changed after statisticians were able to "play" millions of random hands in a short time, calculating the number of successes and failures out of millions of hands and using alternative decisions: Hit, Stand, Split, Double, Surrender or take insurance.  They also were able to calculate the variances based on changing table rules:  Dealer must hit soft 17, player can split only X number of times on one hand, BlackJack pays 3:2 versus even money unless suited ....

Atlantic City used to have worse rules for the players than Vegas.  The last time I went to Vegas, the BlackJack games had some really messed up rules except for 6-deck shoe tables, I assume rules they borrowed from AC.

Anyway, the hard part of statistics is developing a good sample.  Stats created on a fixed dataset is basically historical, but using a sample within stated parameters can be predictive (e.g. political polls).

You really can't segregate math from science anyway.  I think statistics, when used to simulate models of real world systems, like ATM and traffic queues, and, yes, the odds of drawing a heart to fill out a straight flush, are absolutely in the realm of science.  Applied Science is a "thing."   :geekdanc: :shaka:

"Random hands of Black Jack"...  Anyone who knows how computers generate random numbers knows there's really no such thing as a true random number created by a computer. But that's another subject.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

punaperson

Re: Election Fraud Evidence Thread
« Reply #551 on: November 21, 2020, 07:10:44 PM »

Jordan Sekulow on New Election Lawsuits: “What’s Coming in Georgia Will Be Shocking”…

Posted on November 21, 2020 by sundance

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/11/21/jordan-sekulow-on-new-election-lawsuits-whats-coming-in-georgia-will-be-shocking/

Jordan Sekulow appears with Tom Basile on NewsMax to discuss the current status of several election lawsuits.  Within the interview Sekulow notes that despite the election certification, a new lawsuit will be filed on Monday in Georgia that “will be stunning“.

The ACLJ lawyer states the lawsuit and attached evidence in the state of Georgia is unrelated to any currently known information, evidence or preceding lawsuits. The framework is entirely new. “Put-up or shut-up will be rolled out this week“…


punaperson

Re: Election Fraud Evidence Thread
« Reply #552 on: November 21, 2020, 07:15:21 PM »


Unusual Pattern and Ratio Within Philadelphia Ballot Data Indicates Dominion Software Manipulation of Vote…

Posted on November 21, 2020 by sundance

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/11/21/unusual-pattern-and-ratio-within-philadelphia-ballot-data-indicates-dominion-software-manipulation-of-vote/

An interesting review of Philadelphia ballot uploading results indicates a pattern of manipulated results according to an independent researcher looking at raw data. The results are discussed within a video upload explaining how the data-sets were organized and manipulated in a series of timed events.

According to the analysis: “in this data, particular vote ratios are transferred between random sets of seized precincts throughout the day.”

“The Dominion System isolated a “Flip Set” from the expected vote count and the expected percentage. It then splices the Flip Set into multiple “ratio sets” and assigns them to precincts throughout the day. Once a particular “ratio set” receives the votes it needed, it releases that set, and then Dominion injects it into the city wide count.”

“To hide it’s trail, Dominion reassigns the same “ratio set” to different (random) precincts throughout the day, so that the same precinct doesn’t keep getting the exact same ratio (or the same set of precincts).”

Link to video on Rumble:

https://rumble.com/vbas2t-smoking-gun-dominion-transferring-vote-ratios-between-precincts-in-pa.-by-e.html

Smoking Gun: Dominion Transferring Vote Ratios between Precincts in PA. - By: Edward Solomon
2one3studio Published November 20, 2020

Rumble — In this video you will see data from the NYT feed from PA on November fourth.

In this data, particular vote ratios are transferred between random sets of seized precincts throughout the day (see image link below):
https://ibb.co/h1x3Xds

A total of nine exhibits are presented in this video, but there are in fact several hundred of these precincts seizures and ratio transfers on the day of November 4th alone, and the same ratios continue to be transferred for several more days within the overall dataset spanning an entire week.

Original data sets:
https://gofile.io/d/qZcQl6

"The Dominion System isolated a "Flip Set" from the expected vote count and the expected percentage.

It then splices the Flip Set into multiple "ratio sets" and assigns them to precincts throughout the day.

Once a particular "ratio set" receives the votes it needed, it releases that set, and then Dominion injects it into the city wide count.

To hide it's trail, Dominion reassigns the same "ratio set" to different (random) precincts throughout the day, so that the same precinct doesn't keep getting the exact same ratio (or the same set of precincts).

During a particular period of time while a precinct is selected, it gives Trumps an EXACT NUMBER of votes, it gives Biden a MINIMUM number of votes, and splits the small remainder to a third party or to Biden (via random assignment).

This explains why Jo Jorg got so many votes in every precinct (I'm a Libertarian and I know very few libertarians who voted for Jo this year, due to the importance of this monumental election)."

changemyoil66

Re: Election Fraud Evidence Thread
« Reply #553 on: November 21, 2020, 07:51:32 PM »
Side note,

My friend i went to vegas with is a stats major. He didnt understand how come i kept winning on roulette and he didnt. Black showed up like 4x in a row and kept coming. He didnt understand the "juju" which throws all math/stats to the curb.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Election Fraud Evidence Thread
« Reply #554 on: November 21, 2020, 09:27:18 PM »
Side note,

My friend i went to vegas with is a stats major. He didnt understand how come i kept winning on roulette and he didnt. Black showed up like 4x in a row and kept coming. He didnt understand the "juju" which throws all math/stats to the curb.

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That's actually more of a "chaos theory" thing.  Roulette theory is based on a perfectly manufactured wheel, an absolutely spherical ball, a dealer who releases the ball with different amounts of force and at a different spot on the wheel, and no environmental forces affecting the outcome.

In reality, there are minor flaws from manufacturing, shipping, repairs, cleaning, maintenance and installation.  These factors can create a variety of imperfections that can, and do, make the wheel less random.

In short, if you see a wheel hitting the same number or group of numbers more than others, it's a good bet the wheel will continue that trend unless something changes. 

BTW, I watched a couple walk into Binion's Horseshoe to the roulette table on the other side of the Black Jack pit where I was sitting. He said, "Pick a number, Darlin' " and put $2,000 on that one number ......  and it HIT!!

Who needs a system?   :rofl:   :wtf:   :thumbsup:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Inspector

Re: Election Fraud Evidence Thread
« Reply #555 on: November 22, 2020, 02:03:34 AM »
Jordan Sekulow on New Election Lawsuits: “What’s Coming in Georgia Will Be Shocking”…

Posted on November 21, 2020 by sundance

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/11/21/jordan-sekulow-on-new-election-lawsuits-whats-coming-in-georgia-will-be-shocking/

Jordan Sekulow appears with Tom Basile on NewsMax to discuss the current status of several election lawsuits.  Within the interview Sekulow notes that despite the election certification, a new lawsuit will be filed on Monday in Georgia that “will be stunning“.

The ACLJ lawyer states the lawsuit and attached evidence in the state of Georgia is unrelated to any currently known information, evidence or preceding lawsuits. The framework is entirely new. “Put-up or shut-up will be rolled out this week“…



I tried to post this video last night and the damn Newsmax app kept crashing on me.

Until I watched this video last night, I didn’t know the Seklow’s and the ACLJ were on Trump’s legal team for this. I am with whomever said above if Sidney Powell is on the team it lends a lot of credit to the case being winnable. I feel the same way with the Sekulows and the ACLJ. The ACLJ and the father Jay Sekulow has a lot of experience bringing cases in front of the SCOTUS. And they have a terrific winning record in front of SCOTUS. Knowing this I feel much more energized that there is real tangible evidence. Not just eye witness, sworn affidavit evidence. And that there actually may be enough to stop the certification of a fraudulent election.

Now we have to wait for the first of the lawsuits that Jordan Sekulow said is going to be filed on Monday or Tuesday. I’m guessing we will see some real evidence in that lawsuit. Man, I feel much more confident that election tampering will be able to be proven on a scale large enough to effect the results. I hope my feelings are right.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Election Fraud Evidence Thread
« Reply #556 on: November 22, 2020, 04:56:50 AM »
I tried to post this video last night and the damn Newsmax app kept crashing on me.

Until I watched this video last night, I didn’t know the Seklow’s and the ACLJ were on Trump’s legal team for this. I am with whomever said above if Sidney Powell is on the team it lends a lot of credit to the case being winnable. I feel the same way with the Sekulows and the ACLJ. The ACLJ and the father Jay Sekulow has a lot of experience bringing cases in front of the SCOTUS. And they have a terrific winning record in front of SCOTUS. Knowing this I feel much more energized that there is real tangible evidence. Not just eye witness, sworn affidavit evidence. And that there actually may be enough to stop the certification of a fraudulent election.

Now we have to wait for the first of the lawsuits that Jordan Sekulow said is going to be filed on Monday or Tuesday. I’m guessing we will see some real evidence in that lawsuit. Man, I feel much more confident that election tampering will be able to be proven on a scale large enough to effect the results. I hope my feelings are right.

I think so, too, but it get's better.  I stopped thinking a long time ago, even before election day, that there doesn't have to be fraud or tampering to the degree that it changed the outcome.  If they can show that the election was in violation of the Constitution, then the electoral votes should not be accepted, and Congress should be tasked with choosing the President and VP.  Trump's team has at least two Constitutional challenges as I see it. 

One challenge would be the way the election rules were changed by the State Supreme Court or other office besides the legislature.  The Constitution says that the rules of states' elections must be decided upon by the legislature.  The founders did this precisely so the rules are set by the people through their representatives.  Allowing any other body or individual to make the rules puts the outcome of the election at the whim of judges, Secretaries of State, Governors, unelected officials (elections directors), etc.  None of those represent the people insofar as the Constitution recognizes them.  We know PA courts changed the rules just days before election day, allowing additional time for mail-in ballots to arrive.  Not their right to do that.  Since the state also ignored Supreme Court injunctions to segregate the late ballots from the on-time ones, there's no way to correct that in the ballot count.  The damage is irreversible.

Another challenge is the 14th Amendment's equal protection under the law.  In 2000, the Bush legal team used this to successfully argue that elections must be conducted evenly and fairly among all presidential candidates and parties.  In Florida, the recount was one-sided, allowing only counties that leaned heavily Democrat to be recounted.  During the recount, ballots that were originally not included in vote totals by virtue of them having errors were being reexamined manually to ascertain what the voters' INTENTIONS were.  If the ballot failed to be processed because they made stray marks, failed to punch "chads" completely, or didn't vote for the race at all because they were confused by the layout of the ballot ("Butterfly Ballots"), or voted for too many candidates in a race, the examiner would make a judgement call in the one race -- the Presidential race -- to decipher whether the voter "intended" to mark the ballot for Gore or Bush.

Since these formerly spoiled or unreadable ballots were being resurrected only in counties that might help Gore, the Supreme Court ruled that the recount must include ALL counties regardless of party "leanings", or the recount would be invalid.  That decision came down just 2 hours before the deadline to certify the state election results.  Obviously, a full Florida statewide recount was impossible in 2 hours, so the whole recount that took over a month's effort was halted and the results never used.  The original numbers from before any recounts began were used, and Bush became the President Elect ... again!

This election, there are accusations that ballots which had errors in Democrat-leaning counties or precincts were being remedied by workers contacting the voters.  If it was a mail-in (most were), then the mismatched or missing signature, missing date, miss-marked ballot, or other mistakes were corrected so the ballot would count.  In Republican-leaning areas, the option to contact voters and correct ballots was not being offered as an option to the workers.  Sounds awfully close to the same unequal treatment of ballots as happened in 2000.  You can't spoil one party's ballots while correcting another party's.

There are all kinds of examples of how a few states, mainly PA, MI and WI, violated the Constitution as well as their own state laws.  A big one is refusing to allow GOP observers in the counting areas.  One party was allowed to run the counting (Democrat-run government) while the other party was excluded from observing and ensuring the rules were followed.  Again, this sounds like a 14th Amendment violation.  Can't give parties different treatment, even if (especially if) your party is running the state.

The best outcome for Trump would be for the Supreme Court to order the election be given to Congress to decide.  Having an electoral college perform the selection of president would be unfair if they allowed a few swing states to certify tainted results, and the electoral votes wound be incomplete if they let fewer than 50 states meet in the electoral college.  Giving it to Congress at least includes reps from all 50 states.

This is going to be an election for the history books, making 2016 look like a normal election by comparison.

Fun fact:  Chief Justice John Roberts and Associate Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett all worked on the Bush legal team that argued the Florida recount cases in Gore v. Bush.  It's going to be pretty interesting to see lawyers for Trump standing before that group arguing nearly the same facts and Constitutional points of law that they themselves argued 20 years ago.   :geekdanc: :thumbsup:
« Last Edit: November 22, 2020, 05:20:04 AM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Inspector

Re: Election Fraud Evidence Thread
« Reply #557 on: November 22, 2020, 06:26:54 AM »
I think so, too, but it get's better.  I stopped thinking a long time ago, even before election day, that there doesn't have to be fraud or tampering to the degree that it changed the outcome.  If they can show that the election was in violation of the Constitution, then the electoral votes should not be accepted, and Congress should be tasked with choosing the President and VP.  Trump's team has at least two Constitutional challenges as I see it. 

One challenge would be the way the election rules were changed by the State Supreme Court or other office besides the legislature.  The Constitution says that the rules of states' elections must be decided upon by the legislature.  The founders did this precisely so the rules are set by the people through their representatives.  Allowing any other body or individual to make the rules puts the outcome of the election at the whim of judges, Secretaries of State, Governors, unelected officials (elections directors), etc.  None of those represent the people insofar as the Constitution recognizes them.  We know PA courts changed the rules just days before election day, allowing additional time for mail-in ballots to arrive.  Not their right to do that.  Since the state also ignored Supreme Court injunctions to segregate the late ballots from the on-time ones, there's no way to correct that in the ballot count.  The damage is irreversible.

Another challenge is the 14th Amendment's equal protection under the law.  In 2000, the Bush legal team used this to successfully argue that elections must be conducted evenly and fairly among all presidential candidates and parties.  In Florida, the recount was one-sided, allowing only counties that leaned heavily Democrat to be recounted.  During the recount, ballots that were originally not included in vote totals by virtue of them having errors were being reexamined manually to ascertain what the voters' INTENTIONS were.  If the ballot failed to be processed because they made stray marks, failed to punch "chads" completely, or didn't vote for the race at all because they were confused by the layout of the ballot ("Butterfly Ballots"), or voted for too many candidates in a race, the examiner would make a judgement call in the one race -- the Presidential race -- to decipher whether the voter "intended" to mark the ballot for Gore or Bush.

Since these formerly spoiled or unreadable ballots were being resurrected only in counties that might help Gore, the Supreme Court ruled that the recount must include ALL counties regardless of party "leanings", or the recount would be invalid.  That decision came down just 2 hours before the deadline to certify the state election results.  Obviously, a full Florida statewide recount was impossible in 2 hours, so the whole recount that took over a month's effort was halted and the results never used.  The original numbers from before any recounts began were used, and Bush became the President Elect ... again!

This election, there are accusations that ballots which had errors in Democrat-leaning counties or precincts were being remedied by workers contacting the voters.  If it was a mail-in (most were), then the mismatched or missing signature, missing date, miss-marked ballot, or other mistakes were corrected so the ballot would count.  In Republican-leaning areas, the option to contact voters and correct ballots was not being offered as an option to the workers.  Sounds awfully close to the same unequal treatment of ballots as happened in 2000.  You can't spoil one party's ballots while correcting another party's.

There are all kinds of examples of how a few states, mainly PA, MI and WI, violated the Constitution as well as their own state laws.  A big one is refusing to allow GOP observers in the counting areas.  One party was allowed to run the counting (Democrat-run government) while the other party was excluded from observing and ensuring the rules were followed.  Again, this sounds like a 14th Amendment violation.  Can't give parties different treatment, even if (especially if) your party is running the state.

The best outcome for Trump would be for the Supreme Court to order the election be given to Congress to decide.  Having an electoral college perform the selection of president would be unfair if they allowed a few swing states to certify tainted results, and the electoral votes wound be incomplete if they let fewer than 50 states meet in the electoral college.  Giving it to Congress at least includes reps from all 50 states.

This is going to be an election for the history books, making 2016 look like a normal election by comparison.

Fun fact:  Chief Justice John Roberts and Associate Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett all worked on the Bush legal team that argued the Florida recount cases in Gore v. Bush.  It's going to be pretty interesting to see lawyers for Trump standing before that group arguing nearly the same facts and Constitutional points of law that they themselves argued 20 years ago.   :geekdanc: :thumbsup:
I am certainly feeling much more optimistic this morning. The ACLJ does great work as well as Judicial Watch. The ACLJ are constitutional lawyers and not ambulance chasers like Gloria Allred. Excuse me if I don’t trust lawyers much. I am sure Sidney Powell is a great lawyer but I don’t know enough about her to have the confidence in her like I do the ACLJ. And so far much of what Giuliani has been saying about the Biden’s has not come to fruition. I do a lot of research on the Internet and the ACLJ is a serious non profit organization. The thing I have to keep reminding myself about is that the ACLJ is working on the constitutional side of election tampering and Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani is working on the Dominion vote tampering side. They will be filing separate lawsuits in the same states I assume. Alleging what ever evidence they have. I have a strange feeling that the server in Germany that was confiscated is in the hands of Trump’s team as it as reported that the military did the confiscation and not the CIA. I don’t think the FBI or the CIA are trustworthy at this point. I believe the evidence they have came from that server or another source or both. That would be huge if they are able to present it in a way that can be understood. I don’t blame either team for tipping their hand as to evidence so we’ll just have to wait and see.

I think you are right about the path that Trump and his 2 legal teams need to take. Of course the ultimate goal is to get to the bottom of the election and vote tampering and the corruption because we want fair elections. No matter what the outcome is. Any real American would want all allegations of fraud to be investigated no matter what the outcome. I am hoping that if the allegations are true that we will find out the extent of it and expose it what its worth. And I want anyone who committed any crimes to be brought to justice. The fact that the Dominion guys are running scared doesn’t add to their claim of fair voting practices. It does just the opposite. It appears to me they have something to hide. I want to know the truth. Just like any real American would.

What I want to see out of all of this is the truth. No matter what it is. We need to be able to trust our election process and if we can’t then whoever can cheat the most is the winner. And I have a feeling the Republicans are not as good at it as the Democrats are.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

punaperson

Re: Election Fraud Evidence Thread
« Reply #558 on: November 22, 2020, 08:07:29 AM »
Very brief commentary simply making the point that affidavits, sworn under penalty of perjury, are "evidence" in a court of law. This is a response to the MSM talking heads that incessantly spew "there is no evidence", "unfounded allegations", etc. Whether that evidence is sufficient to challenge various election results will be determined by the courts.

There is evidence, actually

https://spectator.us/evidence-actually-rudy-giuliani-voter-fraud/

Excerpt:

Giuliani did in fact present evidence of voter fraud today but many people simply didn’t want to hear it. He cited multiple Americans, one by name, who have signed sworn affidavits stating that they witness some type of fraud, whether it was pro-Trump ballots being thrown out without cause, ballots being backdated to before the election, poll workers being told not to ask voters for identification, and more.

As Giuliani helpfully pointed out, affidavits are considered ‘evidence’ in a court case. Whether you agree or disagree with them is a different question. And it’s reasonable that not all of the people who signed their names would be willing to go public. If you want to hear more of the evidence that was presented, just watch the first hour or so of the press conference.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Election Fraud Evidence Thread
« Reply #559 on: November 22, 2020, 12:52:51 PM »
Just like Dallas Jones in TX (the Biden Campaign Director in that area), 2 men in California have been charged with 41 counts of VOTER FRAUD, after fraudulently registering 8,000 homeless people to vote.

The intent was to cheat in the Mayor of Hawthorne race in Los Angeles County.

EVIDENCE of

WIDESPREAD

VOTER FRAUD

SUFFICIENT TO CHANGE ELECTION OUTCOME.

Not necessarily a presidential election issue, since CA would never go for Trump, but is stealing a local election any better than stealing a federal election?  It still shows VOTER FRAUD.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw