I'll correct you, you're wrong.

Casting doubt on a system does not mean an overthrow attempt.  Are the people supposed to believe without question the way voting systems are run?  Sounds like communism to me.

"Almost no real evidence".  I guess unless you saw a video of a ballot counter taking say 10,000 ballots marked for Trump and the vid shows that person burning all 10,000, would that be the type of real evidence you're looking for?  Or is there doubt because those ballots being burnt could have been received after the deadline, so it wont' matter anyways right?

You need to remove the court system conviction thing a little bit.  Here's 1 example of why: Hillary Clinton was a defense attorney and got her rapist client off  the hook.  Her words were " I knew he did it, but I got the evidence thrown out. Haha".

Courts are not objective like how they should be.  Politics are often involved with big decisions.

No system is perfect but doesn't mean we can't believe in it.   We must trust the justice system.   This is a foundation of our government.   We must try and improve and fix it if there are issues but the overall trust must remain. 

Yes that video wouldn't mean shit unless it is vetted in court in my opinion. Plenty can fake it.  If you believe every video you have seen you are in for alot of disappointment.  Could be blank ballots, fake news, deep fake, the list is endless. 

You can question the system all you want that's a good thing.  But to make unproven matter of a fact lies is not.   There's is no mass voter fraud as of today that has been proven.  Hell even Trump gave up on that claim and switched to other ways to win. 

I think OG should stop posting in this thread. His lack of knowledge of the constitution and law and the inability to see the bigger picture is just an embarrassment for him at this point. He doesn’t see that as a problem either. He thinks it is because he has an opposite opinion. But that is not at issue here at all. He just cannot grasp the reality of what is truly going on.   

At this point he is completely clueless.

I would say the same for you.  The NEW arguments over the constitutionally is unknown. I haven't argued against that.  I will wait for the courts to decide.  But the mass fraud claims are false (so far). Don't be bias.  You can't grasp reality.  You just live in your echo box and resort to name calling and insults for opinions different than yours.   It's quite childish and that's coming from someone half your age probably. 

Still too stupid to understand what is happening.

Again a spin on things. Passing opinions as facts is one. Second is it’s legal campaign funding. Think any other politician doesn’t do that? Then finally, how is it “lining his pockets”, as in fact. Maybe true, but opinion being parroted as fact. Where’s the tangible proof. Why is he convicted without being “proven in court”.

Democrats "loan" their own campaigns millions of dollars each election cycle at higher than market interest rates.  It infuses cash into the campaign they can't raise in donations, and it LINES THE POCKETS of the candidates through very "liberal" returns on those loans.

Of course, it's only Trump who gets accused of PAYING HIMSELF BACK FOR THE MILLIONS IN PERSONAL WEALTH he spent on his own election and reelection campaigns.

Somehow, Democrats think taking donations from big money corporations and billionaires is more ethical than using ones own cash to run for office.  Who cares about quid pro quo once they are in office?  Winning is EVERYTHING.   

No system is perfect but doesn't mean we can't believe in it.   We must trust the justice system.   This is a foundation of our government.   We must try and improve and fix it if there are issues but the overall trust must remain. 

Yes that video wouldn't mean shit unless it is vetted in court in my opinion. Plenty can fake it.  If you believe every video you have seen you are in for alot of disappointment.  Could be blank ballots, fake news, deep fake, the list is endless. 

You can question the system all you want that's a good thing.  But to make unproven matter of a fact lies is not.   There's is no mass voter fraud as of today that has been proven.  Hell even Trump gave up on that claim and switched to other ways to win.

Damn it!  Stop!!  AGAIN!!


 

I would say the same for you.  The NEW arguments over the constitutionally is unknown. I haven't argued against that.  I will wait for the courts to decide.  But the mass fraud claims are false (so far). Don't be bias.  You can't grasp reality.  You just live in your echo box and resort to name calling and insults for opinions different than yours.   It's quite childish and that's coming from someone half your age probably.

THIS IS NOT A DEBATE TRHEAD.  AGAIN ..... STOP HIJACKING IT.

YOU"RE TOO STUPID TO OWN AN INTERNET-CAPABLE DEVICE. 

 

I would say the same for you.  The NEW arguments over the constitutionally is unknown. I haven't argued against that.  I will wait for the courts to decide.  But the mass fraud claims are false (so far). Don't be bias.  You can't grasp reality.  You just live in your echo box and resort to name calling and insults for opinions different than yours.   It's quite childish and that's coming from someone half your age probably.

again you are talking out of your ass again. Assuming someone is a lot older than you and attacking him for it. Age shaming? With your incoherent sentences I'd guess that you have half the brain capacity of Inspector - probably less.

Democrats "loan" their own campaigns millions of dollars each election cycle at higher than market interest rates.  It infuses cash into the campaign they can't raise in donations, and it LINES THE POCKETS of the candidates through very "liberal" returns on those loans.

Of course, it's only Trump who gets accused of PAYING HIMSELF BACK FOR THE MILLIONS IN PERSONAL WEALTH he spent on his own election and reelection campaigns.

Somehow, Democrats think taking donations from big money corporations and billionaires is more ethical than using ones own cash to run for office.  Who cares about quid pro quo once they are in office?  Winning is EVERYTHING.   

What politicians do (not differentiating D, R, L, etc), understood that.  I was trying to get a feel for the accusations against Trump.  So when I asked the questions to OG, it was more to expose what he didn't know and it was apparent by his response. 

As for the donations part, well, that's a whole other topic.  I always wondered how politicians ended up so wealthy. . . [sarcasm]

Still too stupid to understand what is happening.

Never learned the lesson about consequences of running ones mouth. . .

[Insert Mike Tyson meme]

Never learned the lesson about consequences of running ones mouth. . .

[Insert Mike Tyson meme]

I know, it’s obvious. I was going to be nice to him and take the time to PM him and explain to him in terms I think he can understand what he is missing but then I realized that everyone here, including yourself, has been telling him what he is missing and all he wants to do is argue. He is not listening. He is not even asking what he is missing. I have told him several times he is missing the point and the big picture. He has not asked what he is missing. So it is obvious to me he if he doesn’t care to ask then he doesn’t care to see the big picture and what is really happening. He thinks he knows it all and he is missing the very large picture. But he knows everything. His emotions are getting the best of him I think.

Omni, at the beginning of this thread you started touting that trump was not winning his fraud lawsuits. But you did this after I wrote and others wrote that the first set of lawsuits had nothing to do with fraud. You missed the big picture. After that Trump filed his fraud lawsuits. Then you started saying Trump was not winning his fraud lawsuits BEFORE they were even heard by the courts. You again were missing the big picture. And you said this numerous times even after I wrote and other wrote that the courts had not even heard the cases yet. Then massive amounts of evidence have been posted to this thread by some very smart people. Yet you say there is no evidence because Trump has not won any of his cases. Yet the evidence is right there in front of you. It is ignorant in the face of thousands pages of sworn affidavits and audits and other evidence that there is no evidence. Now, once again you are trying to say Trump lost all his cases. But if you had been reading what I and others were writing and read the articles and watched the videos you would know that winning the fraud lawsuits are not the intention of the fraud lawsuits. You would already know they didn’t have the standing to win the lawsuits. It doesn’t matter if they won them or not. It would have been better if they had won one or two. But they never expected to win. That is why your ignorant remarks about Trump not winning any lawsuits just shows you don’t understand what the lawsuits were all about. And that you are still missing the big picture here. I won’t tell you what they were all about. You need to read what I and others wrote, and you need to read the articles and watch the videos to understand. Others have told you but you didn’t listen. I will say that the lawsuits that Trump and the others brought were VERY successful. There is absolute proof of their success. You need to figure out for yourself what that is. Their success proved that the fraud evidence is real and being taken very seriously. You need to figure out what the evidence is so important and being taken very seriously to understand the entire picture. Now that we have that proof and verification that the evidence is real and being taken seriously there will be no court decisions on fraud until after the election is decided if at all. The evidence has served its purpose and is no longer needed for the endgame. So any more remarks about there not being any evidence is once again ignorant in light of how seriously it is being taken/used.

If you want to keep up with the rest of us you need to read, watch and discuss without arguing with us. You need to ask questions and quit making ignorant statements about fraud and Trump’s lawsuits. They all served their purpose. Trump’s fraud cases are over. We won via the success the lawsuits brought even tho most have been ruled against. Until you catch up and figure it all out you are just being left in the dust here and are irritating everyone with your ignorant statements. If I were you i would be embarrassed. But I am not you. Unfortunately, due to past experience you are probably going to let your emotional and immature state get the best of you and you won’t listen to anything that myself and everyone else here who has tried to explain to you what you are missing. I hope I am wrong.

While I disagree with your wins and evidence. I don't think it's possible to convince you or vice versa.  I take my truths vetted by the justice system and so far they have not proved anything Trump or some here have been saying.  They have not ruled on the constitutionally of the recent law suits (texas) I will wait to see the results on that.  The others in the beginning you mentioned have not been won either.   But that all brings us to, what do you see end game?  Assuming he loses the Texas one.   What will this all have done?  What's the big picture? Trump loses and Biden is president.  No overruling of current election procedures.  No changes in the law.  And no evidence of mass fraud.  Is there something Trump gains?  Other than people questioning the democratic system which technically doesn't appear to be corrupt.  Is it a warning? 

My closest analogy i can think of right now is Trump is screaming that Obama murdered someone.   With no solid evidence. The justice system looks into the accusation. Trump says he is right and Obama is definitely a murderer no doubts and says the whole system is corrupt.   The justice system says there's is no evidence of murder and Obama is released.  Now people who believe in Trump will believe its all rigged.  But it wasn't.   And now we are divided and in this scenario Trump should be liable for damages for false accusations. 
I can see if Trump asked the justice system to look into Obama and the possibility he was a murderer and not judge before the decision is made.  That's fully in his rights and the right way to do it.  The 4th ammendment is a great one.

You can’t disagree with my wins and evidence because you don’t know what they are. That’s the point I and everyone else has been trying to make to you understand.

This has nothing to do with Trump anymore. But you can’t stop talking about Trump says this and does that. TDS rules your head. Sad. It’s too bad you don’t want to see the entire picture. I would have been happy to take this offline and explain it to you. But not now.

I’m done trying to be nice and help you.

While I disagree with your wins and evidence. I don't think it's possible to convince you or vice versa.  I take my truths vetted by the justice system and so far they have not proved anything Trump or some here have been saying.  They have not ruled on the constitutionally of the recent law suits (texas) I will wait to see the results on that.  The others in the beginning you mentioned have not been won either.   But that all brings us to, what do you see end game?  Assuming he loses the Texas one.   What will this all have done?  What's the big picture? Trump loses and Biden is president.  No overruling of current election procedures.  No changes in the law.  And no evidence of mass fraud.  Is there something Trump gains?  Other than people questioning the democratic system which technically doesn't appear to be corrupt.  Is it a warning? 

My closest analogy i can think of right now is Trump is screaming that Obama murdered someone.   With no solid evidence. The justice system looks into the accusation. Trump says he is right and Obama is definitely a murderer no doubts and says the whole system is corrupt.   The justice system says there's is no evidence of murder and Obama is released.  Now people who believe in Trump will believe its all rigged.  But it wasn't.   And now we are divided and in this scenario Trump should be liable for damages for false accusations. 
I can see if Trump asked the justice system to look into Obama and the possibility he was a murderer and not judge before the decision is made.  That's fully in his rights and the right way to do it.  The 4th ammendment is a great one.

How is the 4th amendment relevant in your twisted example of WTF? And how would a civil suit be brought against President Trump for damages caused by "division". The Democrats played identity politics for years before you were born and created this division you speak of.

You're like the newb shooter who keeps flagging people with their firearm after being told a dozen times in a day not to point your firearm at anyone - but continue to do it.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I belive it's because he is casting doubt on a system of democracy with almost no real evidence (to be determined).  He can challenge it but what is he is doing is saying as if it was fact it was fraudulent without any court case backing.  Accusing of a crime with no conviction.   He says words like there is fraud not there might be fraud.

He is trying to win no matter what even if it throws out peoples votes which is not democratic.

you sure "belive" a lot of stupid things...

he is casting doubt on the system because he 'belives" the system was rigged
he is seeking the court decision you wish to see
he is not trying to win by throwing out "peoples" votes
he is trying to throw out invalid votes

focus brah

How is the 4th amendment relevant in your twisted example of WTF? And how would a civil suit be brought against President Trump for damages caused by "division". The Democrats played identity politics for years before you were born and created this division you speak of.

You're like the newb shooter who keeps flagging people with their firearm after being told a dozen times in a day not to point your firearm at anyone - but continue to do it.

Cause he is saying things as facts without court decisions.  The entire basis of the 4th ammendment? 

Both sides do identity politics. You are correct though democrats do it worse.

that's ok, he completely missed what everyone has been trying to tell him about PCR testing for the past few months too
he knows what he knows...

I know, it’s obvious. I was going to be nice to him and take the time to PM him and explain to him in terms I think he can understand what he is missing but then I realized that everyone here, including yourself, has been telling him what he is missing and all he wants to do is argue. He is not listening. He is not even asking what he is missing. I have told him several times he is missing the point and the big picture. He has not asked what he is missing. So it is obvious to me he if he doesn’t care to ask then he doesn’t care to see the big picture and what is really happening. He thinks he knows it all and he is missing the very large picture. But he knows everything. His emotions are getting the best of him I think.

Omni, at the beginning of this thread you started touting that trump was not winning his fraud lawsuits. But you did this after I wrote and others wrote that the first set of lawsuits had nothing to do with fraud. You missed the big picture. After that Trump filed his fraud lawsuits. Then you started saying Trump was not winning his fraud lawsuits BEFORE they were even heard by the courts. You again were missing the big picture. And you said this numerous times even after I wrote and other wrote that the courts had not even heard the cases yet. Then massive amounts of evidence have been posted to this thread by some very smart people. Yet you say there is no evidence because Trump has not won any of his cases. Yet the evidence is right there in front of you. It is ignorant in the face of thousands pages of sworn affidavits and audits and other evidence that there is no evidence. Now, once again you are trying to say Trump lost all his cases. But if you had been reading what I and others were writing and read the articles and watched the videos you would know that winning the fraud lawsuits are not the intention of the fraud lawsuits. You would already know they didn’t have the standing to win the lawsuits. It doesn’t matter if they won them or not. It would have been better if they had won one or two. But they never expected to win. That is why your ignorant remarks about Trump not winning any lawsuits just shows you don’t understand what the lawsuits were all about. And that you are still missing the big picture here. I won’t tell you what they were all about. You need to read what I and others wrote, and you need to read the articles and watch the videos to understand. Others have told you but you didn’t listen. I will say that the lawsuits that Trump and the others brought were VERY successful. There is absolute proof of their success. You need to figure out for yourself what that is. Their success proved that the fraud evidence is real and being taken very seriously. You need to figure out what the evidence is so important and being taken very seriously to understand the entire picture. Now that we have that proof and verification that the evidence is real and being taken seriously there will be no court decisions on fraud until after the election is decided if at all. The evidence has served its purpose and is no longer needed for the endgame. So any more remarks about there not being any evidence is once again ignorant in light of how seriously it is being taken/used.

If you want to keep up with the rest of us you need to read, watch and discuss without arguing with us. You need to ask questions and quit making ignorant statements about fraud and Trump’s lawsuits. They all served their purpose. Trump’s fraud cases are over. We won via the success the lawsuits brought even tho most have been ruled against. Until you catch up and figure it all out you are just being left in the dust here and are irritating everyone with your ignorant statements. If I were you i would be embarrassed. But I am not you. Unfortunately, due to past experience you are probably going to let your emotional and immature state get the best of you and you won’t listen to anything that myself and everyone else here who has tried to explain to you what you are missing. I hope I am wrong.

you sure "belive" a lot of stupid things...

he is casting doubt on the system because he 'belives" the system was rigged
he is seeking the court decision you wish to see
he is not trying to win by throwing out "peoples" votes
he is trying to throw out invalid votes

focus brah

Big difference between beliefs and facts.  By default there is no mass fraud until proven.

Some in his circle and including himself said they want to win and the only way to do that is invalidate votes.  It will come to the Supreme Court to decide what is valid. Not be,  not you,  and not him. 

You can’t disagree with my wins and evidence because you don’t know what they are. That’s the point I and everyone else has been trying to make to you understand.

This has nothing to do with Trump anymore. But you can’t stop talking about Trump says this and does that. TDS rules your head. Sad. It’s too bad you don’t want to see the entire picture. I would have been happy to take this offline and explain it to you. But not now.

I’m done trying to be nice and help you.

Yup.  Eff it.  I'm gonna go grab some drinks with some buddies, throw darts, and have fun.  Enough of this BS.

Well, one of the guys that will be there is an attorney (from a local private school) and is pretty liberal.  We don't usually talk politics.  However, if he does tonight, I'm gonna throw darts at him!   

Big difference between beliefs and facts.  By default there is no mass fraud until proven.

Some in his circle and including himself said they want to win and the only way to do that is invalidate votes.  It will come to the Supreme Court to decide what is valid. Not be,  not you,  and not him.

Just
Stop
Already
 

Big difference between beliefs and facts.  By default there is no mass fraud until proven.

Some in his circle and including himself said they want to win and the only way to do that is invalidate votes. It will come to the Supreme Court to decide what is valid. Not be,  not you,  and not him.

please show where he or his circle said they want to invalidate LEGITIMATE votes...