It is a difficult pill to swallow, but we can also look at the silver lining. Biden/Harris come with a whole lot of baggage, and these cases pile more doubt on their credibility as well as that of the mainstream media. I really hope this country holds together long enough to get another populist into office, or at least dissolves peacefully via Constitutional Convention (although I would hate to see what kind of banana republic Hawaii would turn into without federal referees stepping in).

It is a difficult pill to swallow, but we can also look at the silver lining. Biden/Harris come with a whole lot of baggage, and these cases pile more doubt on their credibility as well as that of the mainstream media. I really hope this country holds together long enough to get another populist into office, or at least dissolves peacefully via Constitutional Convention (although I would hate to see what kind of banana republic Hawaii would turn into without federal referees stepping in).

I think it would depend on how Biden/Harris goes about getting their agenda in place. Such as using executive orders instead of through congress. But if they get the senate a well, we will see even more baggage come out. And it won’t be pretty. Their baggage is apparent and will become more and more apparent as they try and undo all the good things Trump did during his time. I have aa question for you. If we couldn't get a populist re-elected how are we going to get another one elected? Let’s face it, 6 states all operated their election process illegally which allowed the fraud to occur. There may be more states involved in this. I know I am being pessimistic but I feel we were cheated out of the election due to the illegal election procedures. How do we stop it from happening again? If SCOTUS won’t stand up and take a stand, our republic is pretty well done for. JMHO

Statistics from prior elections are not really helpful for comparison in this election.

The last 4 years of ineptitude, grifting and mendacity were powerfully motivating factors resulting in record turnout by voters, with Biden getting over 7 million more votes than Trump.

The simplest explanation is not that George Soros and a bunch of evil people that eat babies in the basement bought off millions of people including republican governor Kemp and Mattis, Barr, Bolton, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Comey , etc etc. The simplest and obvious explanation is that Trump failed to get the votes needed to win the election, by a landslide,   Trump is a loser and no amount of desperate and lame complaints and frivolous lawsuits and innuendos will cancel millions of votes and steal the election and overthrow American Democracy.

Statistics from prior elections are not really helpful for comparison in this election.

The last 4 years of ineptitude, grifting and mendacity were powerfully motivating factors resulting in record turnout by voters, with Biden getting over 7 million more votes than Trump.

The simplest explanation is not that George Soros and a bunch of evil people that eat babies in the basement bought off millions of people including republican governor Kemp and Mattis, Barr, Bolton, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Comey , etc etc. The simplest and obvious explanation is that Trump failed to get the votes needed to win the election, by a landslide,   Trump is a loser and no amount of desperate and lame complaints and frivolous lawsuits and innuendos will cancel millions of votes and steal the election and overthrow American Democracy.

Yup.  I just hope the republican party reforms and the Trump "takeover" of the GOP ends.  We get respectable GOP moderate candidates again and can defeat the democrats.  It appears the democrats were able to "reform" and hold off the crazy socialists that would of doomed their party.  If not we are doomed to become a banana republic like Hawaii, where one party holds all the power.

What would help is if people take voting more seriously.

Some people take their union "cheat sheets" to the polls and mindlessly punch in what the sheet says.

Some people vote for whoever their friends say to vote for.  They're too lazy to make a decision for themselves.  (In other words, they don't care.)

I wouldn't be surprised many people voted for a particular candidate just to get the pesky political canvasser off their backs.

For me personally, anycandidate that managed to stay in politics for 4 decades needs to be vetted very carefully.

Actually, all candidates should be vetted carefully but career politicians especially.

This isn't about the voters though.

It's about the people counting the votes.

The other guy winning fair and square is different from the other side winning by cheating.

This isn't about the voters though.

It's about the people counting the votes.

Very true. And it also about those politicians who change the voting laws illegally that allowed the people counting the votes to not do it per the rules and laws. And it is about the state legislators taking back their constitutional power to assign the electors.

This isn't about the voters though.

It's about the people counting the votes.

The other guy winning fair and square is different from the other side winning by cheating.

But so far,  there is no justice system verified proof that one side was cheating.  Its been over a month, many court cases and no results.  When is it time to realize/admit there was no mass fraud?  Democrats took years to realize it with the Russian scandal, hope the republicans don't do the same.

If you are on the no fraud but illegal voting, aka mail in voting.  Those court cases also never bore any fruit.  Hawaii has been doing mail in voting for years with no major issues.  All those "extra" voters could of very well voted for Trump.  Its not like one side sent ballots only to their voters.

In the end the Justice system tends to know the laws and constitution the best so if they said nothing was wrong, nothing was probably wrong.

This isn't about the voters though.

It's about the people counting the votes.

The other guy winning fair and square is different from the other side winning by cheating.

True.  I got a little off-track about my comment.  It happens to be a pet peeve of mine. 

After the SCOTUS decision there seems little else that can be done to address this.  Maybe now's the time to look toward 2022 and start putting measures in place so the 2020 election process does not get repeated.

But so far,  there is no justice system verified proof that one side was cheating.  Its been over a month, many court cases and no results.  When is it time to realize/admit there was no mass fraud?  Democrats took years to realize it with the Russian scandal, hope the republicans don't do the same.

If you are on the no fraud but illegal voting, aka mail in voting.  Those court cases also never bore any fruit.  Hawaii has been doing mail in voting for years with no major issues.  All those "extra" voters could of very well voted for Trump.  Its not like one side sent ballots only to their voters.

In the end the Justice system tends to know the laws and constitution the best so if they said nothing was wrong, nothing was probably wrong.

Don't even try, it takes extreme measure to get people out of brainwashing. I say, throw them to the wolves, that's what they want and the only way they learn. That's if the wolves don't devour them first.

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2020 will be the year where people will question future election integrity.  Even some people who voted for biden bear deep down admittance to the possibility of shenanigans.

But their candidate won so they don't care.  For now.  Human nature.

But so far,  there is no justice system verified proof that one side was cheating.  Its been over a month, many court cases and no results.  When is it time to realize/admit there was no mass fraud?  Democrats took years to realize it with the Russian scandal, hope the republicans don't do the same.

If you are on the no fraud but illegal voting, aka mail in voting.  Those court cases also never bore any fruit.  Hawaii has been doing mail in voting for years with no major issues.  All those "extra" voters could of very well voted for Trump.  Its not like one side sent ballots only to their voters.

In the end the Justice system tends to know the laws and constitution the best so if they said nothing was wrong, nothing was probably wrong.

I've been on this rock too long.  I know better than to trust anybody that claims to know something more than anyone.  The Justice system especially.

Interesting that you included "so far" and "probably" in your statement.

2020 will be the year where people will question future election integrity.  Even some people who voted for biden bear deep down admittance to the possibility of shenanigans.

But their candidate won so they don't care.  For now.  Human nature.

I've been on this rock too long.  I know better than to trust anybody that claims to know something more than anyone.  The Justice system especially.

Interesting that you included "so far" and "probably" in your statement.

I used those words because nothing is 100%.  But I believe its perfectly fine to trust someone who "claims" to know more than others.  I trust my doctor to know more about medicine than others (myself).  I trust my mechanic, gunsmith, dentist, etc.  If your entire life/profession/schooling is on a subject, assuming you are good at it, you are more knowledgeable than others who are not in that field.  The courts, judges and supreme court are picked from the best of the best.  I have a decent amount of faith in the system.  Its always good to question and seek other opinions and its up to you in the end but there needs to be trust at some point.

The Biden transition team is being staffed with Google and FB executives as quid pro quo for their assistance in getting him elected.  Looking forward to him also vetoing any bills that reduce legal protections for Big Tech companies.

Personally, I think Trump is a total buffoon.  That said, courts to NOT PROVE anything. . . 

Beyond that, much of what I was following was who had the authority to change policy or procedure.  It's about principle and people "allegedly" implementing change improperly.  This isn't an R vs D thing.  This is protection of elections, our rights to vote, and principle of upholding the meaning of voting as a critical aspect of our freedoms as Americans.  If you can't see that, you're just blind.

Personally, I think Trump is a total buffoon.  That said, courts to NOT PROVE anything. . . 

Beyond that, much of what I was following was who had the authority to change policy or procedure.  It's about principle and people "allegedly" implementing change improperly.  This isn't an R vs D thing.  This is protection of elections, our rights to vote, and principle of upholding the meaning of voting as a critical aspect of our freedoms as Americans.  If you can't see that, you're just blind.

Yep.  The Texas case was dismissed on PROCEDURAL GROUNDS -- ZERO having to do with evidence or lack thereof.

Statistics from prior elections are not really helpful for comparison in this election.

The last 4 years of ineptitude, grifting and mendacity were powerfully motivating factors resulting in record turnout by voters, with Biden getting over 7 million more votes than Trump.

The simplest explanation is not that George Soros and a bunch of evil people that eat babies in the basement bought off millions of people including republican governor Kemp and Mattis, Barr, Bolton, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Comey , etc etc. The simplest and obvious explanation is that Trump failed to get the votes needed to win the election, by a landslide,   Trump is a loser and no amount of desperate and lame complaints and frivolous lawsuits and innuendos will cancel millions of votes and steal the election and overthrow American Democracy.

I didn't think you would answer the question. You never do.

The question I asked was about the statistics of THIS election.

Yep.  The Texas case was dismissed on PROCEDURAL GROUNDS -- ZERO having to do with evidence or lack thereof.

Saw some interesting speculation from those who "speak SCOTUS".  Some of that was pretty out there.  Along the lines of SCOTUS saying they are staying out of the issue and for (insert your side) to "do what they need to do".  I've been crazy busy the last month, so haven't read into these things that much. 

That said, I just want this crap to be over with.  Just another distraction from keeping Congress and others from doing their REAL JOBS.  Somehow through all of this, the American public got fixated in distraction after distraction.  Kav, ACB, etc. 

I had the misfortune of reading the local 5th-grade English skills moron with no critical thinking skills post as quoted by someone else in responding.

Would someone be so kind as to inform that moron that there is no such phrase (in real English) as "could of"? In an earlier post when I was still reading the idiot's posts, I sarcastically included that phrase, but apparently neither he, nor maybe anyone else, got it. "Could've" is a contraction of "could have". There is no such phrase as "could of" except in the mind of an uneducated moron. I will here refrain from any commentary on the horrendous spelling, inappropriate/wrong word choices, and ludicrously poor grammar.

A N D now back to the evidence...

Statistics from prior elections are not really helpful for comparison in this election.

The last 4 years of ineptitude, grifting and mendacity were powerfully motivating factors resulting in record turnout by voters, with Biden getting over 7 million more votes than Trump.

The simplest explanation is not that George Soros and a bunch of evil people that eat babies in the basement bought off millions of people including republican governor Kemp and Mattis, Barr, Bolton, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Comey , etc etc. The simplest and obvious explanation is that Trump failed to get the votes needed to win the election, by a landslide,   Trump is a loser and no amount of desperate and lame complaints and frivolous lawsuits and innuendos will cancel millions of votes and steal the election and overthrow American Democracy.

It is only the simplest explanation if you ignore the giant pile of evidence that massive fraud took place. There is a word for people who intentionally ignore things.

Dinesh D'Souza 3 minute commentary on the Texas case.