5.56 on Kaleo arms 12/23 update

Thanks for sharing this.  Much appreciated.

Good comment!
The ammo problem will only get worse.
If President Harris has her way.

I'd start looking at other sources
outside America.

It sure looks like it's headed that way.  I checked out Kaleo's website after Urusai's heads up.  Yes, the prices are roughly 3 times higher per round.

Even Kaleo mentioned the prices are nuts.  I just appreciate them trying to provide ammunition to those that want it.

Who knows what will happen.  556/223 might even get more expensive or just unavailable altogether.  For those of us looking for ammo, this might be a tough call. 

Good comment Quietshooter, but where do we look for overseas sources?  I don't mind korean Brazilian or Filipino sources and of course NATO member production but those are tough to find too.  I see supplies increasing only when our "civil war" ceases.  Thank you Antifa and BLM.

I am in NO WAY implying that I would buy it and would never  break any state or federal laws, but there are shipping containers full of fireworks coming from China every year.
When those dudes figure out that there is a huge gap in the market for affordable ammo I can only imagine the outcome. When everything is illegal or near impossible to find, people will adapt and those chinese smugglers are going to make a killing (hell the state lawmakers who are in China's pocket will probably get a hefty kickback as well).

I am in NO WAY implying that I would buy it and would never  break any state or federal laws, but there are shipping containers full of fireworks coming from China every year.
When those dudes figure out that there is a huge gap in the market for affordable ammo I can only imagine the outcome. When everything is illegal or near impossible to find, people will adapt and those chinese smugglers are going to make a killing (hell the state lawmakers who are in China's pocket will probably get a hefty kickback as well).

IDK about trusting China smuggled ammo...I think I'll pass at least fireworks you light from afar, not 6inches from my face.  We have all seen what can happen when you reload ammo wrong.

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Chinese ammo is still imported into Canada at .25cents a round https://ammobin.ca/en/centerfire/7.62X39MM

But Don’t end up like this guy
https://www.inquisitr.com/216326/viktor-bout-real-lord-of-war-arms-trafficker-sentenced-to-25-years/

*no one on this forum does anything illegally:)

In the early 90’s I bought 15 cases of Norinco 9mm. The UPS gal was not happy with me. It was 124gr FMJ. It was loaded quite hot but it was great ammo. It was accurate and I never had any failures. I shot all but 600 rounds of it. I forgot about it and found the 12 boxes of it about 3 years ago. It still shot very well until it started to turn green. After that I started to see failures to fire about one or two percent.

It was all brass ammo but the first 13k rounds I bought were not considered reloadable. It was boxer primed but the brass was quite hard and brittle. I would see a lot cracks in the brass after sizing. So I threw away all the brass. Then the last 2k rounds I bought was stated as reloadable on the box. While it was boxer primed, the primer pockets were larger than standard small pistol primer but smaller than large pistol primers. The brass was not as brittle and did not crack when I resized it. But it would not hold a primer. I gave up. It was as cheap as steel cased ammo so I didn’t care.

What did I pay for it? I paid 5 cents a round and then near the end before it was banned from being imported I paid 6 and 7 cents a round and the last case I paid 10 cents a round.

Just got a great deal from Dwayne at Danger Close Tactical for some 7.62x39 norma brass and brown bear subsonics. Throughout covid he has had some of the most consistent, honest and fair pricing. He also has his entire in-store inventory online and available to purchase. If you wanna get in on the ammo drops you gotta add DCT on facebook and/or add yourself to the mailing list via his website.

Has a group buy been suggested Yet through Kaleo Arms?

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Has a group buy been suggested Yet through Kaleo Arms?

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http://www.kaleoarms.com/hawaii-ammunition/order

They did an order from December
Hopefully they will do another one soon

Just got a great deal from Dwayne at Danger Close Tactical for some 7.62x39 norma brass and brown bear subsonics. Throughout covid he has had some of the most consistent, honest and fair pricing. He also has his entire in-store inventory online and available to purchase. If you wanna get in on the ammo drops you gotta add DCT on facebook and/or add yourself to the mailing list via his website.

I'll take his website subscription over Facebook anyday.

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Looks like Young Guns finally ran out of 556 & 9mm.  They still have some 22lr.   Security Equip still calling people on their wait list for 556.  Seems like this shortage won’t be ending anytime soon. 

Ammo update!



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Danger Close has 9mm defense rounds on website
Pricey but available.

With that video in mind, what would be the sort of logistics of someone starting their own full size production line for let's just say primers.
How long would it take to tool up and start producing? If ever there was a business opertunity, I would think this is one. I realize how much of a pain it would be, procuring base materials, setting up machines, permits, hazmat issues, zoning, employee training, hr, paying off politicians, finding investors, did I forget anything?

With that video in mind, what would be the sort of logistics of someone starting their own full size production line for let's just say primers.
How long would it take to tool up and start producing? If ever there was a business opertunity, I would think this is one. I realize how much of a pain it would be, procuring base materials, setting up machines, permits, hazmat issues, zoning, employee training, hr, paying off politicians, finding investors, did I forget anything?

Are you talking about a major brand doing this, or starting up a competing brand?

Marketing for a new brand
Taxes
Location (Some states are more firearm/ammo business friendly)
Available labor
Product Liability Insurance
Legal Fees (I imagine legal action to shutdown ammo factories are not uncommon)
Regulatory and ATF compliance
Shipping (commercial carriers, company trucks, ...)
Distribution network
R&D
Quality Control
Physical Security/Surveillance Systems
Infrastructure (Commercial water, sewer, electric and trash pickup costs are different than residential)
Investors?? Stock offering??

Labor is a huge cost for any production/factory business.  Having a large population of low-skill labor helps keep wages affordable.
Automation can help, but requires more startup capital.
Need higher-paid people with training and experience to setup and run the production line, manage ordering and shipping, setup QA processes and so on.

Are you talking about a major brand doing this, or starting up a competing brand?

Marketing for a new brand
Taxes
Location (Some states are more firearm/ammo business friendly)
Available labor
Product Liability Insurance
Legal Fees (I imagine legal action to shutdown ammo factories are not uncommon)
Regulatory and ATF compliance
Shipping (commercial carriers, company trucks, ...)
Distribution network
R&D
Quality Control
Physical Security/Surveillance Systems
Infrastructure (Commercial water, sewer, electric and trash pickup costs are different than residential)
Investors?? Stock offering??

Labor is a huge cost for any production/factory business.  Having a large population of low-skill labor helps keep wages affordable.
Automation can help, but requires more startup capital.
Need higher-paid people with training and experience to setup and run the production line, manage ordering and shipping, setup QA processes and so on.

I'll take that as a probably not going to happen, especially around here. I guess nothing is easy. Wonder if it even would be worth while.

I'll take that as a probably not going to happen, especially around here. I guess nothing is easy. Wonder if it even would be worth while.

You'd still have to compete with ammo shipped from other places, once the shortage is over.  With the cost of running any business in Hawaii -- excise taxes, storage, permits for powder and primers (OGC doesn't bother to stock powder and primers because of the crazy regulations) -- and the high cost of labor here vs, say, Mexico, I doubt you'd be in business for long.

Look at how few factory jobs there are in Hawaii.  Just getting raw materials or parts is going to drive up the cost of finished goods.

We do hospitality and tourism.  This is not a state known for its industrial base.

That's not even touching on the environmentalist whackos and anti-gun idiots doing all they can think of to shut you down. 

Hawaii needs to diversify their economy, but I don't see ammo manufacturing being well received. 

"Aloha Ammo.  Shoots, Brah!"

With that video in mind, what would be the sort of logistics of someone starting their own full size production line for let's just say primers.
How long would it take to tool up and start producing? If ever there was a business opertunity, I would think this is one. I realize how much of a pain it would be, procuring base materials, setting up machines, permits, hazmat issues, zoning, employee training, hr, paying off politicians, finding investors, did I forget anything?

Primers are the hardest thing to make and transport.  You're handling sensitive explosives.  So not going to see primer plants pop up all of a sudden.

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You'd still have to compete with ammo shipped from other places, once the shortage is over.  With the cost of running any business in Hawaii -- excise taxes, storage, permits for powder and primers (OGC doesn't bother to stock powder and primers because of the crazy regulations) -- and the high cost of labor here vs, say, Mexico, I doubt you'd be in business for long.

Look at how few factory jobs there are in Hawaii.  Just getting raw materials or parts is going to drive up the cost of finished goods.

We do hospitality and tourism.  This is not a state known for its industrial base.

That's not even touching on the environmentalist whackos and anti-gun idiots doing all they can think of to shut you down. 

Hawaii needs to diversify their economy, but I don't see ammo manufacturing being well received. 

"Aloha Ammo.  Shoots, Brah!"

Many been saying diversify for decades now. Gambling bill comes up and many "hawaiians" say no. Same with pakalolo bills.

These people are morons.

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