The COVID Cult (Read 1510990 times)

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #140 on: November 24, 2020, 12:46:11 PM »
don't confuse him with facts
his kind prefers feelings...

According to you:

I ASSUME you are saying the US watched it burn.

There are 67 countries in the list you posted with higher death rates than the US.  Countries like Mexico, Bolivia, Egypt, Iran, Syria, CHINA, Afghanistan, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, Sweden, Ireland, and France, to name a few, all higher than 2.1%.

Most of the countries lower than the US have populations much, much smaller than the US, many with fewer people than most of our states have individually.  It's much easier to control and treat a small population versus 326M people like the US.  That's why percentages don't tell the whole story.  The number of hospitals, doctors, nurses, beds, ventilators, cases of medications, and masks is so much smaller and easier to produce and/or procure for a smaller country -- even stockpile -- so fighting the virus is not on the scale it is in larger countries.

I also notice that Sweden, the UK and Canada all have higher death rates than the US.  How can that possibly be?  Aren't these some of the fantastic SOCIALIZED MEDICINE countries that keep getting used as examples the US needs to follow?  Hmmmm??

So, which is it?  Did the US succeed in lowering the death rate from COVID-19 better than most other developed countries, or did Trump just sit and "watch it burn?"

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #141 on: November 24, 2020, 12:52:01 PM »
I wouldn't call social security commie, but yes socialist.  I would also call strong military/LE both communist and fascist.

I would call  your train of thought also an oxymoron.  You don't want big government overreach, but yet OK with them forcing people to wear mask and vaxxx.  Then fall back on the "life and liberty" in the constitution for those who are wearing mask/vaxxed against those who are not wearing a mask/vaxxxed, for their own safety.  Because people vaxxed/masked have a right to life and liberty.

In WWII, Hitler didn't just start murdering the Jews.  He had the German people and others believe that they were a problem.  So bad a problem that German citizens were ratting out their Jewish neighbors to the Nazis/gestapo. And forced Jews to wear armbands so they can be identified easily.  By the people believing a problem existed and "all for the greater good", he got the people on board and they were OK with the government doing what they did.

Do you not see the progression with COVID?  First it exist.  Then told to closed businesses.  Then wear a mask. Now we are on the vaxxx phase.  You cannot do X,Y,Z unless you have a vaxxx.  What comes after mass vaxxx is people who are not vaxxed will be segregated and put somewhere.  Then what happens after that will be worst.  Cause you know, all in the name of the greater good.

I know its a bit of a oxymoron, but many people deal with similar trains of thoughts.  Vaxx is not a race,  so its not like the jews.  I fail to see how covid can become anything like that.  I personally think everyone should be vaxxed if they want to be in public but thats just my opinion. You cant drive without getting a license, and a car that's X, Y, Z.  There's hundreds of things similar to that.

Then again. I believe in genetic edited super humans and that's Hitler like.  Not everything is black and white.   Just like my political views I am not stuffed into one box of thinking. 

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #142 on: November 24, 2020, 12:55:40 PM »
don't confuse him with facts
his kind prefers feelings...

And those states dont have as high testing or false results, so we are back full circle of not knowing the real numbers.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #143 on: November 24, 2020, 01:02:22 PM »
I know its a bit of a oxymoron, but many people deal with similar trains of thoughts.  Vaxx is not a race,  so its not like the jews.  I fail to see how covid can become anything like that. I personally think everyone should be vaxxed if they want to be in public but thats just my opinion. You cant drive without getting a license, and a car that's X, Y, Z.  There's hundreds of things similar to that.

Then again. I believe in genetic edited super humans and that's Hitler like.  Not everything is black and white.   Just like my political views I am not stuffed into one box of thinking.

Your lack of imagination (and acceptance of reality & historical truth) is irrelevant.  "I fail to see how" is not an argument.  it's an admission that you just don't understand the facts.

HIV/AIDS was EXACTLY how CMO explained it.  When the retrovirus was first identified in "Gay men, intravenous drug users and Haitians,"  the press even used the name "GRID" -- Gay-Related Immune Deficiency.  It became normal to shun homosexuals as "plague carriers".  They were fired from jobs, excluded from sports, etc.  Until the disease was discovered in the blood supply and heterosexual celebrities contracted it, the disease was a Scarlet Letter identifying people being punished for their depravity.

I guess you would have to have been born before 1975 to remember the 80s at all.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #144 on: November 24, 2020, 01:03:08 PM »
I know its a bit of a oxymoron, but many people deal with similar trains of thoughts.  Vaxx is not a race,  so its not like the jews.  I fail to see how covid can become anything like that.  I personally think everyone should be vaxxed if they want to be in public but thats just my opinion. You cant drive without getting a license, and a car that's X, Y, Z.  There's hundreds of things similar to that.

Then again. I believe in genetic edited super humans and that's Hitler like.  Not everything is black and white.   Just like my political views I am not stuffed into one box of thinking.

Another communist and even fascist statement.  Yes you do fail to see how COVID could be like what Hitler did to the Jews.  Maybe not the exact same, but the idea.  Like I mentioned, he didn't just murder them on day 1.  Go watch Schindlers List.  Spielberg puts dates.  It started with registration of Jews. Then a year or so went by and they were forced out of their homes into sectors.  Then some months went by and the trains showed up.  The rest is history.  And at no time over a few years, did the majority of the Jews think what was going to happen to them.  Spielberg didn't even show  the propaganda of why Jews are bad to Germany.

Relating a mandatory vaxxx to driving are not even close.  1 teaches someone the laws and skill to drive.  The other forces something injected into someone of unknown ingredients. Yes there is a label on the back, but do you have the equipment to test it has what it says it has?  No one does.  Then followed by zero liability on the vaxxx companies.

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #145 on: November 24, 2020, 01:04:46 PM »
And those states dont have as high testing or false results, so we are back full circle of not knowing the real numbers.

Then why post GOP states have "high" COVID numbers? 

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #146 on: November 24, 2020, 01:07:09 PM »
And those states dont have as high testing or false results, so we are back full circle of not knowing the real numbers.

We know enough, and the remainder can be filled in CONSERVATIVELY to meet the stated 99.97% number.  99.75% was already proven.

2% is the DEATH RATE reported based on old numbers.  As more people have contradicted it and recovered, thanks to testing and better treatments, most don't even require ICUs, ventilators, or even hospitalization.    The recovery rate has been rising. 

An honest person would stipulate that the more people we test as having had it, the better the recovery rate becomes -- unless you refuse to count anyone who shows infected and didn't die versus allowing the inclusion of people who died and only showed an insignificant level of COVID-19 and no symptoms ever.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #147 on: November 24, 2020, 01:07:31 PM »
Your lack of imagination (and acceptance of reality & historical truth) is irrelevant.  "I fail to see how" is not an argument.  it's an admission that you just don't understand the facts.

HIV/AIDS was EXACTLY how CMO explained it.  When the retrovirus was first identified in "Gay men and Haitians,"  the press even used the name "GRID" -- Gay-Related Immune Deficiency.  It became normal to shun homosexuals as "plague carriers".  They were fired from jobs, excluded from sports, etc.  Until the disease was discovered in the blood supply and heterosexual celebrities contracted it, the disease was a Scarlet Letter identifying people being punished for their depravity.

I guess you would have to have been born before 1975 to remember the 80s at all.

I admit, I was too young to know what happened.  I did see clips on TV many years later when Princess Di shook the hand of a HIV/AIDS person. They said it broke a barrier that showed you cannot get it just by shaking someones hand.  It was one of those VH1 80s/90s retro look back shows.  I also saw the movie Philadelphia.

hvybarrels

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #148 on: November 24, 2020, 01:07:52 PM »
And those states dont have as high testing or false results, so we are back full circle of not knowing the real numbers.

That is the danger of politicization. Public health is in jeopardy once again because elitists want to win at any cost.
I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #149 on: November 24, 2020, 01:09:17 PM »
I forgot to add on HQKB FB page, there are many who want something to ID tourist who have received a negative COVID test.  And even a few already calling for vaxxx ID's.  So it already has begun.

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #150 on: November 24, 2020, 01:11:34 PM »
Then why post GOP states have "high" COVID numbers?

because it fits his narrative
like how he doesn't recognize that the democrat cities in the red states are an issue
an inconvenient truth...

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #151 on: November 24, 2020, 01:13:50 PM »
I admit, I was too young to know what happened.  I did see clips on TV many years later when Princess Di shook the hand of a HIV/AIDS person. They said it broke a barrier that showed you cannot get it just by shaking someones hand.  It was one of those VH1 80s/90s retro look back shows.  I also saw the movie Philadelphia.

I recommend And the Band Played On.

Stellar cast, good degree of accuracy, and a very well developed set of facts.

Watch  it when you aren't distracted.  Lots of continuity between scenes that you might not catch if you weren't paying attention to the first part (names of characters, flyers posted on buildings, etc.).

Full movie on YouTube (Free):

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #152 on: November 24, 2020, 01:15:01 PM »
This thread is surreal.  Like those shows on alien abduction and stuff level. . .

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #153 on: November 24, 2020, 01:16:51 PM »
This thread is surreal.  Like those shows on alien abduction and stuff level. . .

The problem is, we have a person pushing for policies and laws that historically proved to be bad.

He is repeating it, because he never learned about it.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #154 on: November 24, 2020, 01:18:55 PM »
The problem is, we have a person pushing for policies and laws that historically proved to be bad.

He is repeating it, because he never learned about it.
But, but, but he's the future. . . how dare you! 

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #155 on: November 24, 2020, 01:28:36 PM »
The problem is, we have a person pushing for policies and laws that historically proved to be bad.

He is repeating it, because he never learned about it.

Those who erase the past are bound to repeat it.

drck1000

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #156 on: November 24, 2020, 01:39:08 PM »
Those who erase the past are bound to repeat it.
I don't think they teach history these days.  I've been hearing of more school districts, particularly in CA, banning books from reading list.  Latest is To Kill a Mockingbird due to concerns about racism. . .

Racism is part of America's history.  Not a particularly proud aspect of history, but still should taught, not covered up or ignored. . .

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #157 on: November 24, 2020, 01:59:49 PM »
I don't think they teach history these days.  I've been hearing of more school districts, particularly in CA, banning books from reading list.  Latest is To Kill a Mockingbird due to concerns about racism. . .

Racism is part of America's history.  Not a particularly proud aspect of history, but still should taught, not covered up or ignored. . .

They should also teach socialism.  Got these fools also hailing Che Guevara as an icon too. But indoctrination is what they want.

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #158 on: November 24, 2020, 03:03:16 PM »
because it fits his narrative
like how he doesn't recognize that the democrat cities in the red states are an issue
an inconvenient truth...

Or maybe gop who don't tend to like masks and belive they don't work are now feeling the consequences of said belief. 

And if it wasn't known.  I think it should be criminal to spread aids knowingly and should be tested for population wide. Along with other diseases.

And yes I think vaccines should be mandatory for participatingin public areas. Don't spread your diseases to me cause you don't believe in science.  It violates my freedom of not catching your shit.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #159 on: November 24, 2020, 03:08:24 PM »

Or maybe gop who don't tend to like masks and belive they don't work are now feeling the consequences of said belief. 

And if it wasn't known.  I think it should be criminal to spread aids knowingly and should be tested for population wide. Along with other diseases.

And yes I think vaccines should be mandatory for participatingin public areas. Don't spread your diseases to me cause you don't believe in science.  It violates my freedom of not catching your shit.

85% of people testing positive say they wore their mask OFTEN or ALWAYS.

Are you saying masks prevent COVID-19 infections?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw