So it's covid some grand scheme to convert the usa to communism? Millions of people are in on the secret and sacrificed millions of others to death or maybe fake die? Then get their identities faked to live a new commie future life?   

It doesn't take millions to be on something to make it happen...

 

So it's covid some grand scheme to convert the usa to communism? Millions of people are in on the secret and sacrificed millions of others to death or maybe fake die? Then get their identities faked to live a new commie future life?   

Who said, "Never allow a crisis go to waste?"

COVID-19 is being used now:

Rahm Emanuel on coronavirus response: ‘Never allow a crisis to go to waste’

For Conservatives, this slogan implies that a crisis should push government officials to finally FIX the problems that created the crisis so it's not as likely to recur.

For Liberal-Progressive-Socialists, it's in the context of Saul Alinsky and his Rules for Radicals.  They try to USE a crisis to push their agendas.  Like the COVID-19 relief bill the Democrats in the House refused to pass EVEN THOUGH the GOP offered everything in the first few drafts.  Apparently, they couldn't take "Yes" for an answer, because a passed stimulus bill that helped people would be a "win" for Trump before the election.  So, they stalled and stalled, constantly moving the goal posts further down the field.  Even the Liberal Media was asking Pelosi how much more than "everything they asked for" will be enough?  Pelosi got so mad!   

So, while COVID itself is not a "conspiracy" the Liberal Democrat anti-Trumpers are politicizing it and trying to use it to their advantage.

Not a difficult concept if you stop typing long enough to really think about it and view the EVIDENCE.

wearing a mask is like Robitussin.
Prevent broken bones? Wear a mask.
Tooth decay prevention? Wear a mask.
Cancer? wear a mask.

My niece and her husband have been diagnosed with COVID-19. She is a teacher and always wears a mask. She has to for her job and also because her husband is an at risk person. She got it a week ago and gave it to her husband who was just diagnosed with it yesterday. She got it even though she wears a mask and they social distance and follow all the state COVID guidelines at school. She is terrified right now. She has it pretty bad. She is 40. She gave it to her husband who is 52 and he is having very mild symptoms. The problem is he haas a compromised immune system so he is at risk and she feels very guilty right now.

This is the second and third people in my family that has been diagnosed with it.

My niece and her husband have been diagnosed with COVID-19. She is a teacher and always wears a mask. She has to for her job and also because her husband is an at risk person. She got it a week ago and gave it to her husband who was just diagnosed with it yesterday. She got it even though she wears a mask and they social distance and follow all the state COVID guidelines at school. She is terrified right now. She has it pretty bad. She is 40. She gave it to her husband who is 52 and he is having very mild symptoms. The problem is he haas a compromised immune system so he is at risk and she feels very guilty right now.

This is the second and third people in my family that has been diagnosed with it.

Aiyah. Sorry to hear that! 

I've been lucky that I know of a friend of a friend who had it.  Found out about it due to contact tracing.  No one in my immediate family or close(r) circle level of friends have had it. 

I can't say if I had it or not.  In Jan, we had a garage sale Sat-Mon (MLK Day was a holiday, so we went all 3 days).  At that point, Corona Virus was a "we don't know much" blip on the news, and just days from Trump halting travel from China.

With all the people coming and going to the sale, there's no telling what germs I may have come into contact with. 

That Wednesday, the symptoms started.  Felt like a cold or mild flu at first, then had heavy coughing from sinus drainage, sore throat, raspy breathing, fever, and runny nose.  I never got the achiness I normally get with the flu, which was odd, considering how fatigued I was.

I basically had all the symptoms they now tell us could indicate COVID.

Took about a week to 10 days to no longer feel sick, and a few more days to feel normal.  Went through lots of NyQuil Severe Cold and Flu med and others to break up the mucus in my lungs and suppress the cough.

Nobody else in the house ever caught it, so I think that might be a sign it was regular flu, given the reported communicability of COVID.

It's possible having the flu also helps prepare you for fighting COVID if you do get infected.  Who knows?

Not my words.  You get what I find.

Read is pretty sure the vaccines have played a role.

you bolded and changed the color of those words

so, are you saying you quoted and cited an article you didn't believe in?
or did you make the statement about vaccines without knowing if it were true and then had to find an article that said they were "pretty sure" that's what happened?

Read is pretty sure the vaccines have played a role.

you bolded and changed the color of those words

so, are you saying you quoted and cited an article you didn't believe in?
or did you make the statement about vaccines without knowing if it were true and then had to find an article that said they were "pretty sure" that's what happened?

It's not about me.

It's about the fact I QUOTED the article, and I highlighted something to draw attention to the conclusion, because I know you have a super-short attention span ...

among other things. 

#heads

It's not about me.

It's about the fact I QUOTED the article, and I highlighted something to draw attention to the conclusion, because I know you have a super-short attention span ...

among other things. 

#heads

it is about you
it's always about you
you made an incorrect statement about vaccines and viruses
 i told you it was not scientific
and you responded with a link by someone who was "pretty sure"
you chose to try and justify your statement rather than just saying you were wrong and chose to bold it as proof to prove me wrong

pot, meet kettle...

My niece and her husband have been diagnosed with COVID-19. She is a teacher and always wears a mask. She has to for her job and also because her husband is an at risk person. She got it a week ago and gave it to her husband who was just diagnosed with it yesterday. She got it even though she wears a mask and they social distance and follow all the state COVID guidelines at school. She is terrified right now. She has it pretty bad. She is 40. She gave it to her husband who is 52 and he is having very mild symptoms. The problem is he haas a compromised immune system so he is at risk and she feels very guilty right now.

This is the second and third people in my family that has been diagnosed with it.

I am not a doctor but I have heard many people I trust tell me that HCQ, zinc, Azithromycin works if used early enough.

it is about you
it's always about you
you made an incorrect statement about vaccines and viruses
 i told you it was not scientific
and you responded with a link by someone who was "pretty sure"
you chose to try and justify your statement rather than just saying you were wrong and chose to bold it as proof to prove me wrong

pot, meet kettle...

I thought moderators were supposed to exercise good judgement and maturity.  They set the tone for all the members here, and enforce rules that make the forum run smoothly.

Why are you so TRIGGERED?

This was not about me until YOU MADE IT ABOUT ME.

Get your #head on straight. 

I thought moderators were supposed to exercise good judgement and maturity.  They set the tone for all the members here, and enforce rules that make the forum run smoothly.

Why are you so TRIGGERED?

This was not about me until YOU MADIE IT ABOUT ME.

Get your #head on straight.

you MADIE bro?

, it's in the context of Saul Alinsky and his Rules for Radicals.  They try to USE a crisis to push their agendas. 

It got them their precious vote by mail scheme.

Of course, the fraud that was then probable resulted in a stolen election.

I am not a doctor but I have heard many people I trust tell me that HCQ, zinc, Azithromycin works if used early enough.

I know a few doctors/nurses and made some mask jokes just to let them know where I stand, and most of them were relieved to talk with someone who is not brainwashed. The majority have their own stash of HCQ and are pretty convinced the virus is being used a psyop because none of the "official" information makes any sense. Also they know if they speak up their careers would be over, and having non-medical political hacks dictating their speech really grinds their gears.

Do you honestly believe the people creating the fines ever pay them, even though there is video and photo evidence of them violating the rules?

That's what we find unconscionable.  "Rules for thee, but not for me."

Those morons should have TRIPLE the fines and serve TRIPLE the jail time, because .... higher standard.

I agree with you though it's not relevant to my point though.

Im not sure one can factually state there is "loads" of evidence that masks are effective. There are studies on both sides of the argument that show a mask may be effective, and the term mask is very ambiguous. A mask can be on the spectrum of a gator to a simple face mask to a cotton mask to an n95 to a respirator. Not all are equal and some can cause more harm in the spread of covid.

I do agree that masks may help reduce droplet particles. But the issue with covid is that it is not solely droplet particles that are the issue. It is the airborne aspect that seems to make it so virulent in its infectious potential. a simple face mask (medical term we use for the common "colored" mask you see) is NOT used for airborne protection. It is used for droplet particles only and its intended use is 1x. An N95 or similar mask is what is intended for airborne particles. So for someone to say that people are idiots for not following rules that are NOT based in science is completely disingenuous.

as an RN, one of the most logical thoughts I've read / studied behind the face masks is its ability to reduce viral load on the receiving end. There is a theory (yes a theory because its impossible to have meta analytical data this early on in a pandemic), that the face masks can help produce herd immunity by reducing the viral load of a recipient. Basically, instead of thousands of covid particles being inhaled, a person could possibly turn that number into hundreds of viral particles inhaled by wearing a cloth or simple face mask. This reduced viral load could potentially allow the persons immune system to build a defense and have a "lesser" response to the viral infection. Sort of like gaining an active immunity. This is somewhat supported by the evidence of the frontline health care workers in places such as new york dying at a high rate. These nurses ran out of PPE and were subjects to massive viral loads on a daily basis.

Why does herd immunity seem like a logical answer to this pandemic?
Besides possibly one or two cases of "reinfection", there doesn't seem to be many studies regarding the reinfection rate of covid. Yes you can find a few examples, but there is just not enough evidence to support that factually you can get covid twice. One of the ladies had cancer, which should automatically nullify that example. Which should also give us confidence in a vaccine (pending any side effects, since this vaccine was speed rushed).

I agree with the multiple points you are making. I do think the news and guidelines don't seem to cover herd immunity enough, how it can help and how it can't.

Also I think the viral load is something that is almost ignored by the media, I have heard a little about it through some podcasts and special stories but it doesn't seem like this is explained enough to the public.

Fair enough, I take your point that my use of the word "loads" may not have been quite accurate. I have seen I think at least a dozen studies on the effectiveness of masks showing that even homemade ones of certain types can significantly reduce droplet spread.

That is a classic sign of a psy-op. The government was "forced" to take extraordinary measures because it is all our fault. We are beaten over the head with Personal Responsibility Propaganda and meanwhile the people in charge are total screw ups with no accountability who do not even follow their own advice and demand censorship of any evidence that does not support their agenda. Point this out and you are a "crazy conspiracy theorist" who selfishly wants grandma to die.

We are being told the only way to save the republic is to destroy the republic, which is the sort of circular thinking that even functionally illiterate people would be able to recognize if they were not worked up by a media fear campaign of daily death tolls and infection rates that are mostly meaningless.

To what end though? What goal are they trying to achieve?

I agree with you though it's not relevant to my point though.

Your "points" tend to be argumentative (Devil's Advocate) -- normally a tiny blade of grass in a forrest you refuse to acknowledge.

To what end though? What goal are they trying to achieve?

Election interference for starters, but there are all these Great Reset ideas that keep popping up as well. You can get a microchip to carry your medical clearance and (approved) social media around with you if that is what floats your boat, but trying to force 300 million Americans to do it voluntarily is a very tall order apparently even with the fear factory running at full steam.

Election interference for starters, but there are all these Great Reset ideas that keep popping up as well. You can get a microchip to carry your medical clearance and (approved) social media around with you if that is what floats your boat, but trying to force 300 million Americans to do it voluntarily is a very tall order apparently even with the fear factory running at full steam.

Wait, so forcing every voter to have a picture ID is racist (because "minorities can't figure that sh!t out, or can't operate a computer, and can't find the DMV"), but forcing us to keep our medical history and other mandated personal information at all times is fine?