The COVID Cult (Read 1503951 times)

ren

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #720 on: December 09, 2020, 12:33:47 PM »
https://www.khon2.com/coronavirus/uk-investigates-possible-allergic-reactions-to-covid-19-shot/

“As is common with new vaccines the MHRA have advised on a precautionary basis that people with a significant history of allergic reactions do not receive this vaccination after two people with a history of significant allergic reactions responded adversely yesterday,’’ Powis said in a statement. “Both are recovering well.”
Deeds Not Words

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #721 on: December 09, 2020, 12:51:14 PM »
https://www.khon2.com/coronavirus/uk-investigates-possible-allergic-reactions-to-covid-19-shot/

“As is common with new vaccines the MHRA have advised on a precautionary basis that people with a significant history of allergic reactions do not receive this vaccination after two people with a history of significant allergic reactions responded adversely yesterday,’’ Powis said in a statement. “Both are recovering well.”

So allergic to what?  Peanuts, shellfish, latex?

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #722 on: December 09, 2020, 12:51:57 PM »
I have a friend that lives in Tel Aviv. When we visited him, there was gas mask on the table and safe rooms in his house.

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punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #723 on: December 09, 2020, 12:55:20 PM »
As I was saying above...

The Dark Truth About the COVID Vaccine That Even Fauci Admits

https://www.westernjournal.com/dark-truth-covid-vaccine-even-fauci-admits/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=aa-newsletter&utm_campaign=can&utm_content=firefly&ats_es=558cdbeb75da9185cb152b604f01c035

These days, it seems like every other headline is about the pending coronavirus vaccine.

Many, especially on the left, seem to believe the vaccine will be a kind of holy grail that will allow us to return to some semblance of “normal.”

Unfortunately, even with the vaccine, it doesn’t appear “normal” will be returning anytime soon: The vaccine might keep you from getting a particularly bad case of the coronavirus, but no one knows yet whether it will actually affect the virus’ spread.

Dr. Anthony Fauci appeared on CNN’s “New Day” on Monday, where he admitted it will take time to determine whether symptomless vaccine-takers could still infect others.

“Well that’s possible,” Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said.

“We’re going to know the answer to that as we follow people out longer.”

According to The New York Times, trials by the makers of the vaccine, Pfizer and Moderna, only tracked whether vaccinated individuals became sick.

The trials did not track whether vaccinated people caught the virus without developing symptoms and whether those asymptomatic carriers might spread the virus through their communities.

This is a pretty dark truth. It means the vaccine may not even be able to help “stop the spread.”

The vaccine might keep people from getting as sick as they would without it, but the vast majority of those who contract the disease already survive without a vaccine, and those who don’t are overwhelming elderly or at high risk due to comorbidities.

Of course, no one wants to get sick. If the vaccine does mean people get less sick — and if it can reduce any long-term effects of the virus — that is unquestionably a good thing.

However, the biggest concern regarding a return to normalcy is community spread, and there’s no way to know at this point whether the vaccine reduces community spread.

In other words, it looks like masks and social distancing are here to stay, even after vaccination.

This isn’t exactly surprising. It is obvious at this point that much of the political left is obsessed with masks and wants us to wear them all the time.

Why let something like a vaccine come along and take away the need for so much government intervention in the average American’s everyday life?

At least they’re finally admitting this won’t be over anytime soon.

aletheuo137

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #724 on: December 09, 2020, 01:20:17 PM »
Hot chicks in bikini's also walk around with M4/m16s slung.
Be careful, could be a Chinese spy!

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MassConfusion

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #725 on: December 09, 2020, 01:44:43 PM »
OK so lock down didn't cure it, was only supposed to flatten curve to help hospital which in retrospect looks like a load of bs. If we treated thus like seasonal flu we might be fine by now. Death rates skewed, faked and misrepresented.
We seem to be having our freedoms taken end mass right now to help people feel better about something that is being blown way out of proportion. Yes people die, people die everyday. Everyone will die some how right? No that's silly death isn't part of life. Sorry if you are offended I don't mean to trigger you.  ::)
Someone said something about trading you liberties for safety and what you get and deserve.... Gosh could someone fill me in on this... Gosh .... Definitely not some sort of words of wisdom. Gosh... Gosh if only people listened.
Vaccines don't cure it or seemingly prevent it.  I have a feeling this is going to be Spanish flu all over. Cure worse than disease?
Fear the vid. If you don't you are a bad person. You don't care about people.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
 “The only difference between reality and fiction is that fiction needs to be credible.” ― Mark Twain

ren

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #726 on: December 09, 2020, 02:16:35 PM »
Deeds Not Words

MassConfusion

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #727 on: December 09, 2020, 02:22:40 PM »

That was beautiful.
Now I'm going to go buy some magnesium.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
 “The only difference between reality and fiction is that fiction needs to be credible.” ― Mark Twain

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #728 on: December 09, 2020, 02:31:28 PM »
Translation: I am perfectly okay with a corrupt government and media as long as my needs are being met, so shut up and stop asking questions about the twisted and nonsensical belief system that I need to maintain in order to keep the checks coming.

Not exactly.  More like there is no perfect government, while ours is flawed and can be improved, and should be improved its not the worst and not worth burning it all down.  There are far worst governments out there and generally I think people who work in the government are not evil.  There are many good things our government does and can do.  It serves a vital part of our country and even with its flaws is one of the best in the world.

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #729 on: December 09, 2020, 02:37:58 PM »
OK so lock down didn't cure it, was only supposed to flatten curve to help hospital which in retrospect looks like a load of bs. If we treated thus like seasonal flu we might be fine by now. Death rates skewed, faked and misrepresented.
We seem to be having our freedoms taken end mass right now to help people feel better about something that is being blown way out of proportion. Yes people die, people die everyday. Everyone will die some how right? No that's silly death isn't part of life. Sorry if you are offended I don't mean to trigger you.  ::)
Someone said something about trading you liberties for safety and what you get and deserve.... Gosh could someone fill me in on this... Gosh .... Definitely not some sort of words of wisdom. Gosh... Gosh if only people listened.
Vaccines don't cure it or seemingly prevent it.  I have a feeling this is going to be Spanish flu all over. Cure worse than disease?
Fear the vid. If you don't you are a bad person. You don't care about people.

You know the spanish flu killed and estimated 50million people right?  Covid is worse than the flu we currently suffer from every year.  This has been proven.  The governments job and reason why it exists is to keep its people safe.  This is not only limited to war with another country but domestic too.  Protecting the people from a deadly virus is 100% within government responsibilities.  Wearing masks isnt anti freedom.  Lockdowns are closer, but not unprecedented. Restrictions are normal in a state of "war".  Either with nazis like ww2 or a virus now, we had rations and restrictions.  The country is in crisis.

ren

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #730 on: December 09, 2020, 02:41:22 PM »
You know the spanish flu killed and estimated 50million people right?  Covid is worse than the flu we currently suffer from every year.  This has been proven.  The governments job and reason why it exists is to keep its people safe.  This is not only limited to war with another country but domestic too.  Protecting the people from a deadly virus is 100% within government responsibilities.  Wearing masks isnt anti freedom.  Lockdowns are closer, but not unprecedented. Restrictions are normal in a state of "war".  Either with nazis like ww2 or a virus now, we had rations and restrictions.  The country is in crisis.

you know nothing of war
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aletheuo137

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #731 on: December 09, 2020, 02:41:43 PM »
You know the spanish flu killed and estimated 50million people right?  Covid is worse than the flu we currently suffer from every year.  This has been proven.  The governments job and reason why it exists is to keep its people safe.  This is not only limited to war with another country but domestic too.  Protecting the people from a deadly virus is 100% within government responsibilities.  Wearing masks isnt anti freedom.  Lockdowns are closer, but not unprecedented. Restrictions are normal in a state of "war".  Either with nazis like ww2 or a virus now, we had rations and restrictions.  The country is in crisis.
Once again, read the article...

https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/johns-hopkins-researcher-no-excess-deaths-covid-19-official-stats-are-misleading-

Follow the science!!!
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punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #732 on: December 09, 2020, 03:01:44 PM »
Tom Woods today:

By now, you may have noticed something: the virus doesn't seem to act the way the various public health measures recommended to us assume it does.

If it did, Florida should be catastrophic: very old population, lots of travel in and out, completely open with no state-imposed occupancy restrictions. And yet right now it's doing better in terms of hospitalizations per million than California, whose lockdown is downright inhuman.

Georgia was supposed to be catastrophic. Not even close. Sweden should certainly be in the top five, or top ten, or at least the top 20 worst places for the virus, yet it isn't.

People's mobility, which you'd think would correspond to more deaths, or "cases," or whatever, corresponds to nothing.

There are theories as to why these outcomes occur, but the standard public-health narrative proceeds as if these mysteries did not exist.

So:

Don't you dare visit people for Thanksgiving, they said.

Thanksgiving was November 26, thirteen days ago. Travel for Thanksgiving occurred 14 to 17 days ago.

Here are the numbers for weekly changes in national COVID hospitalizations, courtesy of Alex Berenson. There was already a spike before Thanksgiving, and it has slowed since:

Nov. 10 - 17: +24%
Nov. 17 - 24: +14%
Nov. 24 - Dec. 1: +12%
Dec. 1 - 8: +6%

As you can see, the most recent week's figure is one-fourth as high as that for the week of November 10.

If the numbers had been reversed, we'd have been lectured to nonstop: see what you stupid rubes did by traveling?

Since the numbers once again do not correspond to what the cartoon version of the virus would lead us to expect, Team Apocalypse has simply moved on to something else, not chastened in the slightest.

Meanwhile, check out this graph, showing the massive divergence in deaths by continent.



Differences of that scale can hardly be attributed to policy differences between continents, much as the "listen to the science" crowd wants us to believe that wise government policy can navigate us through a spreading virus.

Not to mention: there has been wide variation in response among east Asian countries, and yet the same kind of results have been achieved in each. As Jay Bhattacharya of Stanford said on the Tom Woods Show yesterday, "There seems to be some policy invariance in east Asia: no matter what policy you pick, you get a good result.... I think the only explanation must be something like pre-existing immunity."

MassConfusion

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #733 on: December 09, 2020, 03:11:35 PM »
You know the spanish flu killed and estimated 50million people right?  Covid is worse than the flu we currently suffer from every year.  This has been proven.  The governments job and reason why it exists is to keep its people safe.  This is not only limited to war with another country but domestic too.  Protecting the people from a deadly virus is 100% within government responsibilities.  Wearing masks isnt anti freedom.  Lockdowns are closer, but not unprecedented. Restrictions are normal in a state of "war".  Either with nazis like ww2 or a virus now, we had rations and restrictions.  The country is in crisis.
Sorry, ment swine flu in 76. Doesn't negate rest of post.
This also has nothing to do with war time restrictions.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
 “The only difference between reality and fiction is that fiction needs to be credible.” ― Mark Twain

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #734 on: December 09, 2020, 03:51:23 PM »
i've said all along that something is helping us here in hawaii
i know it's not our governmental response...

we should have been hit worse and first
where do a ton of our tourists come from?
china hong kong taiwan korea japan
is it pele? or da kahuna goin' take care us?
i don't know...


Tom Woods today:

By now, you may have noticed something: the virus doesn't seem to act the way the various public health measures recommended to us assume it does.

If it did, Florida should be catastrophic: very old population, lots of travel in and out, completely open with no state-imposed occupancy restrictions. And yet right now it's doing better in terms of hospitalizations per million than California, whose lockdown is downright inhuman.

Georgia was supposed to be catastrophic. Not even close. Sweden should certainly be in the top five, or top ten, or at least the top 20 worst places for the virus, yet it isn't.

People's mobility, which you'd think would correspond to more deaths, or "cases," or whatever, corresponds to nothing.

There are theories as to why these outcomes occur, but the standard public-health narrative proceeds as if these mysteries did not exist.

So:

Don't you dare visit people for Thanksgiving, they said.

Thanksgiving was November 26, thirteen days ago. Travel for Thanksgiving occurred 14 to 17 days ago.

Here are the numbers for weekly changes in national COVID hospitalizations, courtesy of Alex Berenson. There was already a spike before Thanksgiving, and it has slowed since:

Nov. 10 - 17: +24%
Nov. 17 - 24: +14%
Nov. 24 - Dec. 1: +12%
Dec. 1 - 8: +6%

As you can see, the most recent week's figure is one-fourth as high as that for the week of November 10.

If the numbers had been reversed, we'd have been lectured to nonstop: see what you stupid rubes did by traveling?

Since the numbers once again do not correspond to what the cartoon version of the virus would lead us to expect, Team Apocalypse has simply moved on to something else, not chastened in the slightest.

Meanwhile, check out this graph, showing the massive divergence in deaths by continent.



Differences of that scale can hardly be attributed to policy differences between continents, much as the "listen to the science" crowd wants us to believe that wise government policy can navigate us through a spreading virus.

Not to mention: there has been wide variation in response among east Asian countries, and yet the same kind of results have been achieved in each. As Jay Bhattacharya of Stanford said on the Tom Woods Show yesterday, "There seems to be some policy invariance in east Asia: no matter what policy you pick, you get a good result.... I think the only explanation must be something like pre-existing immunity."

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #735 on: December 09, 2020, 03:53:17 PM »
and omni always ignores the fact that africa has no public health system, lots of disease and poverty, and no way of enforcing masking social distancing and lockdowns, yet the rate of spread is LOW...

Tom Woods today:

By now, you may have noticed something: the virus doesn't seem to act the way the various public health measures recommended to us assume it does.

If it did, Florida should be catastrophic: very old population, lots of travel in and out, completely open with no state-imposed occupancy restrictions. And yet right now it's doing better in terms of hospitalizations per million than California, whose lockdown is downright inhuman.

Georgia was supposed to be catastrophic. Not even close. Sweden should certainly be in the top five, or top ten, or at least the top 20 worst places for the virus, yet it isn't.

People's mobility, which you'd think would correspond to more deaths, or "cases," or whatever, corresponds to nothing.

There are theories as to why these outcomes occur, but the standard public-health narrative proceeds as if these mysteries did not exist.

So:

Don't you dare visit people for Thanksgiving, they said.

Thanksgiving was November 26, thirteen days ago. Travel for Thanksgiving occurred 14 to 17 days ago.

Here are the numbers for weekly changes in national COVID hospitalizations, courtesy of Alex Berenson. There was already a spike before Thanksgiving, and it has slowed since:

Nov. 10 - 17: +24%
Nov. 17 - 24: +14%
Nov. 24 - Dec. 1: +12%
Dec. 1 - 8: +6%

As you can see, the most recent week's figure is one-fourth as high as that for the week of November 10.

If the numbers had been reversed, we'd have been lectured to nonstop: see what you stupid rubes did by traveling?

Since the numbers once again do not correspond to what the cartoon version of the virus would lead us to expect, Team Apocalypse has simply moved on to something else, not chastened in the slightest.

Meanwhile, check out this graph, showing the massive divergence in deaths by continent.



Differences of that scale can hardly be attributed to policy differences between continents, much as the "listen to the science" crowd wants us to believe that wise government policy can navigate us through a spreading virus.

Not to mention: there has been wide variation in response among east Asian countries, and yet the same kind of results have been achieved in each. As Jay Bhattacharya of Stanford said on the Tom Woods Show yesterday, "There seems to be some policy invariance in east Asia: no matter what policy you pick, you get a good result.... I think the only explanation must be something like pre-existing immunity."

drck1000

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #736 on: December 09, 2020, 03:57:13 PM »
and omni always ignores the fact that africa has no public health system, lots of disease and poverty, and no way of enforcing masking social distancing and lockdowns, yet the rate of spread is LOW...
It's da heat! 

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #737 on: December 09, 2020, 04:01:01 PM »
Can't wait to hear the Congressional testimony from the Hydroxychloroquine, Azithromycin and Zinc folks...

Doctor gets heated during Senate testimony — ‘We have a cheap drug that works miracles on Covid!’

Pierre Kory, M.D., Associate Professor of Medicine at St. Luke’s Aurora Medical Center, delivers passionate testimony during the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee hearing on “Early Outpatient Treatment: An Essential Part of a COVID-19 Solution, Part II.”

‘Ivermectin has emerged as an inexpensive wonder drug for Covid.’

https://youtu.be/Tq8SXOBy-4w?t=82

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #738 on: December 09, 2020, 04:06:27 PM »
and omni always ignores the fact that africa has no public health system, lots of disease and poverty, and no way of enforcing masking social distancing and lockdowns, yet the rate of spread is LOW...
Two among many hypotheses to explain the low rates in Africa include: 1. Due to the relatively very low life expectancy there, there aren't that many extremely elderly, or extreme elderly with comorbidities available to become infected and possibly die, and 2. Hydroxycholoquine is an extremely common over the counter drug commonly used to prevent malaria... and many people consume it on a regular basis. Since it has been shown to have a prophylactic effect it could account for the relatively low rates of infection (as indicated by actual illness, since testing is minimal and the asymptomatic and false positives therefore aren't an issue).

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #739 on: December 09, 2020, 04:47:00 PM »
Two among many hypotheses to explain the low rates in Africa include: 1. Due to the relatively very low life expectancy there, there aren't that many extremely elderly, or extreme elderly with comorbidities available to become infected and possibly die, and 2. Hydroxycholoquine is an extremely common over the counter drug commonly used to prevent malaria... and many people consume it on a regular basis. Since it has been shown to have a prophylactic effect it could account for the relatively low rates of infection (as indicated by actual illness, since testing is minimal and the asymptomatic and false positives therefore aren't an issue).

you forgot parasites (edited to add- my apologies, you said "among many")
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/covid-19-in-africa-milder-than-expected-pandemic-has-experts-puzzled/ar-BB190W3g