The COVID Cult (Read 1503562 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1140 on: December 23, 2020, 01:20:42 PM »
Still lower than chance of death from covid.

To DIE from COVID, you first have to be infected.  Chance of infection is 5.5% based on 18M infections reported (Dec 22 tally) compared to 326M people in the US.

To experience side effects from the vaccine, you first have to be injected.  Chance of injection is 100%, since there's no question you received the vaccine.  First checkpoint already met -- injected.

Only after THOSE chances are evaluated do the risks of side effects vs death matter.

We have yet to see if the vaccine is actually as effective at stopping the virus as advertised.  Until enough people take it and time passes, that's still an unknown.  Any predictions you make as to benefits vs risks are unsupported by any facts -- you're premature, as usual.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1141 on: December 23, 2020, 01:24:50 PM »
If you resist, you will be assimilated!  The Borg

Assimilated

Compliance

Unity

When an adversary declares war on you, and you refuse to fight, you have not chosen peace.  You have chosen surrender.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aletheuo137

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1142 on: December 23, 2020, 01:31:21 PM »
Assimilated

Compliance

Unity

When an adversary declares war on you, and you refuse to fight, you have not chosen peace.  You have chosen surrender.
You leftout destroy!

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aletheuo137

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1143 on: December 23, 2020, 01:36:00 PM »
Freedom!



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Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1144 on: December 23, 2020, 01:43:07 PM »
You leftout destroy!

I only collected words you guys already posted.

Here ....

https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus

 :geekdanc: :shaka:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aletheuo137

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1145 on: December 23, 2020, 01:46:29 PM »
A couple of post prior, Sean hannity show, socialist wants to destroy us. I have hard time keeping up too.

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punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1146 on: December 23, 2020, 01:50:39 PM »
Tome Wood today:

Lately I've been sending you charts that crush the standard narrative about the helpfulness of shutdowns, masks, etc.

And I keep thinking: these are surely the best charts I can show you.

And then another day comes along with even better charts.

Well, today there's one that really speaks volumes.

Remember early on, we'd get snooty headlines about how such-and-such European country flattened the curve and showed us the way, etc.? The subtext was always, "Unlike in the U.S., where the stupid rubes hate science." Those countries were supposed to have "listened to the science" by locking people down and ruining their lives.

Well, pretty much every single one of the European countries that the media once touted has lately been experiencing a tragic rise in deaths.

This chart shows it all, complete with the triumphalist headlines we heard about some of them. We'll probably be waiting a long time for any acknowledgments of error:

QUIETShooter

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1147 on: December 23, 2020, 02:04:16 PM »
Lockdowns hit harder for some.  Imagine your mother or father passing away while on a ventilator.  You're not allowed to be in the room when the machines are turned off while your parent dies.  If you're "lucky", the hospital staff will let you watch on your smartphone or PC as they remove your loved one from life support.

Afterward, you can't hold a normal service for the deceased, nor opt for a burial if cremations are mandatory for "COVID-related" deaths.

The entire grieving process is upended, not just for you, but for every relative, friend and coworker of the thousands who die every month with OR WITHOUT a COVID diagnosis.

There is harm being done to people that we aren't fully aware of, nor for which we are taking steps to mitigate. 

Tons of articles and videos on "social distancing" at funerals.  One I saw showed a dozen chairs spread out at a cremation.  When the sons tried to move next their mother to comfort her, the funeral directors told them to return to their places or be ejected.

Funerals are for the survivors, not the deceased.  COVID restrictions are taking that away from the people who need closure so they can move on.

Agree 100%.  Everything said here happened to me.  My mom died on July 27th 2020.  She was in a care home but she died of dementia, not covid.

We weren't allowed to be with her when she took her last breath.  She died alone.  But for some reason they let us see her after she passed, in groups of 3 and for 10 minutes each group.  I dunno.  No make sense.  Maybe they felt sorry for us.  And only immediate family. 

Then  f*ckn Mililani Mortuary rushed her cremation.  We couldn't even request a small goodbye before they put her in the crematorium.  We wanted a short goodbye with only 10 people.  They said no can.  They said 2 of us can visit and say goodbye, but it actually was for final verification of body and limited to 2.

My sister wanted to ask the mortuary if they would dress my mom in some clean clothes provided by us before being cremated but they said they are so backed up my mom was due for cremation that morning.  So my mom was cremated in the used care home pajamas she wore when she died.  I'm sure my sister weeps to this day about this.  Me, I'm just filled with rage and sorrow.

The mortuary said my moms funeral plan has money in it for a memorial but it's recorded as credit with no refund.  No date as to when that would be possible.  My mom's urn rests at my sister's house.

And from that time till now, 2 of my cousins died, and their immediate families have experienced the same exact things I described above.

All three of these deaths were people considered in the vulnerable group: over 60 (my mom was 90) and with various chronic illnesses.  Not one of them were sick from covid.

They died not from the covid disease but the way things panned out, we might as well have been victims of this stupid, bullshit, virus.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1148 on: December 23, 2020, 02:04:58 PM »
A couple of post prior, Sean hannity show, socialist wants to destroy us. I have hard time keeping up too.

You need to add text from links and articles as your own comment for it to count. 

Secondhand words copied and pasted need to be verified in a court of law before we know whether or not they are true.     :rofl: :rofl:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aletheuo137

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1149 on: December 23, 2020, 02:11:58 PM »
We don't want to unite with you, we want to destroy you. More leftist speaking their mind.

https://patriotsunitedpost.com/socialist-calls-into-hannity-radio-show-and-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-we-dont-want-to-unite-with-you-we-want-to-destroy-every-last-one-of-you-audio/

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It's all fake conspiracy posts anyway!

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1150 on: December 23, 2020, 02:28:00 PM »
Agree 100%.  Everything said here happened to me.  My mom died on July 27th 2020.  She was in a care home but she died of dementia, not covid.

We weren't allowed to be with her when she took her last breath.  She died alone.  But for some reason they let us see her after she passed, in groups of 3 and for 10 minutes each group.  I dunno.  No make sense.  Maybe they felt sorry for us.  And only immediate family. 

Then  f*ckn Mililani Mortuary rushed her cremation.  We couldn't even request a small goodbye before they put her in the crematorium.  We wanted a short goodbye with only 10 people.  They said no can.  They said 2 of us can visit and say goodbye, but it actually was for final verification of body and limited to 2.

My sister wanted to ask the mortuary if they would dress my mom in some clean clothes provided by us before being cremated but they said they are so backed up my mom was due for cremation that morning.  So my mom was cremated in the used care home pajamas she wore when she died.  I'm sure my sister weeps to this day about this.  Me, I'm just filled with rage and sorrow.

The mortuary said my moms funeral plan has money in it for a memorial but it's recorded as credit with no refund.  No date as to when that would be possible.  My mom's urn rests at my sister's house.

And from that time till now, 2 of my cousins died, and their immediate families have experienced the same exact things I described above.

All three of these deaths were people considered in the vulnerable group: over 60 (my mom was 90) and with various chronic illnesses.  Not one of them were sick from covid.

They died not from the covid disease but the way things panned out, we might as well have been victims of this stupid, bullshit, virus.

Sorry for your and your family's loss, but even more so for the treatment you all received.

According to OmniGod, that care home and mortuary BS saved you and your family from dying, too.  You should be thankful they are protecting you from yourself.   :wacko:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aletheuo137

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1151 on: December 23, 2020, 03:00:27 PM »
Agree 100%.  Everything said here happened to me.  My mom died on July 27th 2020.  She was in a care home but she died of dementia, not covid.

We weren't allowed to be with her when she took her last breath.  She died alone.  But for some reason they let us see her after she passed, in groups of 3 and for 10 minutes each group.  I dunno.  No make sense.  Maybe they felt sorry for us.  And only immediate family. 

Then  f*ckn Mililani Mortuary rushed her cremation.  We couldn't even request a small goodbye before they put her in the crematorium.  We wanted a short goodbye with only 10 people.  They said no can.  They said 2 of us can visit and say goodbye, but it actually was for final verification of body and limited to 2.

My sister wanted to ask the mortuary if they would dress my mom in some clean clothes provided by us before being cremated but they said they are so backed up my mom was due for cremation that morning.  So my mom was cremated in the used care home pajamas she wore when she died.  I'm sure my sister weeps to this day about this.  Me, I'm just filled with rage and sorrow.

The mortuary said my moms funeral plan has money in it for a memorial but it's recorded as credit with no refund.  No date as to when that would be possible.  My mom's urn rests at my sister's house.

And from that time till now, 2 of my cousins died, and their immediate families have experienced the same exact things I described above.

All three of these deaths were people considered in the vulnerable group: over 60 (my mom was 90) and with various chronic illnesses.  Not one of them were sick from covid.

They died not from the covid disease but the way things panned out, we might as well have been victims of this stupid, bullshit, virus.
Sorry for your lost. My uncle, brother in law, and good friends Dad passed this year. It's tough when all this nonsense is foolish.  Prayers go out for you and your family.

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QUIETShooter

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1152 on: December 23, 2020, 03:05:38 PM »
Sorry for your and your family's loss, but even more so for the treatment you all received.

According to OmniGod, that care home and mortuary BS saved you and your family from dying, too.  You should be thankful they are protecting you from yourself.   :wacko:


Thank you.  I'm sure other people are suffering too, many of them experiencing worse than me.

Shit, I sometimes get so cynical I console myself by telling myself that my mom and my cousins are in a way better place than I am right now.  They're probably feeling sorry for us back here.

And in reference to your second paragraph, ummmm....I pass, lol! :rofl:
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

QUIETShooter

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1153 on: December 23, 2020, 03:07:36 PM »
Sorry for your lost. My uncle, brother in law, and good friends Dad passed this year. It's tough when all this nonsense is foolish.  Prayers go out for you and your family.

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And to you and yours too.  Yes, it's tough and  a lot of it is nonsense.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1154 on: December 23, 2020, 03:37:01 PM »
The Safety Cult (authoritarian totalitarianism) is operating on all fronts...

https://www.aier.org/article/who-deletes-naturally-acquired-immunity-from-its-website/

WHO Deletes Naturally Acquired Immunity from Its Website

Maybe you have some sense that something fishy is going on? Same. If it’s not one thing, it’s another.

Coronavirus lived on surfaces until it didn’t. Masks didn’t work until they did, then they did not. There is asymptomatic transmission, except there isn’t. Lockdowns work to control the virus except they do not. All these people are sick without symptoms until, whoops, PCR tests are wildly inaccurate because they were never intended to be diagnostic tools. Everyone is in danger of the virus except they aren’t. It spreads in schools except it doesn’t.

On it goes. Daily. It’s no wonder that so many people have stopped believing anything that “public health authorities” say. In combination with governors and other autocrats doing their bidding, they set out to take away freedom and human rights and expected us to thank them for saving our lives. At some point this year (for me it was March 12) life began feeling like a dystopian novel of your choice.

Well, now I have another piece of evidence to add to the mile-high pile of fishy mess. The World Health Organization, for reasons unknown, has suddenly changed its definition of a core conception of immunology: herd immunity. Its discovery was one of the major achievements of 20th century science, gradually emerging in the 1920s and then becoming ever more refined throughout the 20th century.

...

Until one day, this strange institution called the World Health Organization – once glorious because it was mainly responsible for the eradication of smallpox – has suddenly decided to delete everything I just wrote from cell biology basics. It has literally changed the science in a Soviet-like way. It has removed with the delete key any mention of natural immunities from its website. It has taken the additional step of actually mischaracterizing the structure and functioning of vaccines.

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1155 on: December 23, 2020, 03:47:10 PM »
By one of the creators of The Great Barrington Declaration. Each "More" concluding each point is a link at the site leading to more detailed discussion of the principle cited.

https://www.aier.org/article/twelve-principles-of-public-health/

Twelve Forgotten Principles of Public Health

Dr. Martin Kulldorff (Professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School. His research centers on developing new epidemiological and statistical methods for the early detection and monitoring of infectious disease outbreaks and for post-market drug and vaccine safety surveillance.)

Public health is about all health outcomes, not just a single disease like Covid-19. It is important to also consider harms from public health measures. More.

Public health is about the long term rather than the short term. Spring Covid lockdowns simply delayed and postponed the pandemic to the fall. More.

Public health is about everyone. It should not be used to shift the burden of disease from the affluent to the less affluent, as the lockdowns have done. More.

Public health is global. Public health scientists need to consider the global impact of their recommendations. More.

Risks and harms cannot be completely eliminated, but they can be reduced. Elimination and zero-Covid strategies backfire, making things worse. More.
 
Public health should focus on high-risk populations. For Covid-19, many standard public health measures were never used to protect high-risk older people, leading to unnecessary deaths. More.

While contact tracing and isolation are critically important for some infectious diseases, it is futile and counterproductive for common infections such as influenza and Covid-19. More.

A case is only a case if a person is sick. Mass testing asymptomatic individuals is harmful to public health. More.

Public health is about trust. To gain the trust of the public, public health officials and the media must be honest and trust the public. Shaming and fear should never be used in a pandemic. More.

Public health scientists and officials must be honest with what is not known. For example, epidemic models should be run with the whole range of plausible input parameters. More.

In public health, open civilized debate is profoundly critical. Censoring, silencing and smearing leads to fear of speaking, herd thinking and distrust. More.

It is important for public health scientists and officials to listen to the public, who are living the public health consequences. This pandemic has proved that many non-epidemiologists understand public health better than some epidemiologists. More.

ren

Deeds Not Words

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1157 on: December 23, 2020, 04:46:25 PM »
Amen!

https://www.aier.org/article/personal-liberty-sacrificed-at-the-altar-of-covid-public-safety/

Personal Liberty Sacrificed at the Altar of Covid Public Safety

An uptick in deaths from or with COVID-19 in the Scandinavian nation late last month, in common with the rest of Europe, has prompted a deluge of condemnation: Sweden’s strategy to control the coronavirus has “failed”.

Yet Sweden does not stand out in terms of coronavirus deaths.
...

In short, the so-called ravaging would be news to Swedes, who have been able to go about their lives relatively normally this year.

Without the relentless drumbeat about cases in the media — often induced by mass testing rather than actual illness — few would even know there was a pandemic in Sweden or anywhere else.

A more reasonable conclusion from the data would be that Sweden has had much the same level of death as other countries, without resorting to mask orders and authoritarian lockdowns, whose costs are yet to be assessed.
...

Let’s be frank. This isn’t really a debate about saving lives. Cost-benefit analyses will show the expenditure on saving people from COVID-19 was magnitudes greater than we spend to avoid other deaths.

Communicable diseases kill about five million people, of a far younger age than COVID-19 victims, every year. And there’s barely a peep of concern about that from those who are suddenly dripping with compassion for nursing-home residents, urging action from their salubrious homes with tenured incomes.

This is a debate about the rights of the individual in relation to the state. It’s a debate about whether the ends always justify the means, and whether the risk of a tiny increase in mortality among the over-80s justifies interventions unseen in modern history.

On these deep questions, coronavirus case and death numbers are unlikely to change the minds of many.

Jane Fonda was right when she said COVID-19 was God’s gift for the left. The pandemic has bolstered the public sector as the private sector shrivels. It has fuelled panic that has pushed people to seek safety from government. It has made millions dependent on government for their income. It has seen the rights of assembly, of association, to work, to conduct business, to have a private life all suspended indefinitely in the service of public health. Meanwhile, Facebook and Google brazenly have censored dissent, perhaps to curry favour with governments they fear will regulate them.

In short, 2020 has been a chilling display of how quickly rights fought for across centuries can be snuffed out temporarily. It will be interesting to see how quickly they come back. Maybe we should keep the QR code infrastructure in place just in case. Why shouldn’t governments know your whereabouts if it can help save lives?

As for Sweden, it will be difficult for its leaders, who have started introducing more stringent regulations, to resist the siren call of lockdown. The political economy is simple: there are no political costs from locking down. Only COVID-19 deaths matter politically, so it’s safer to be seen to be doing something than not.

American journalist HL Mencken once said the average man wants to be safe, not free. We should be aware, though, that as technology improves, governments will be able to provide even more safety — but at a much heavier cost to our freedom.

ren

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1158 on: December 23, 2020, 05:50:26 PM »
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/12/23/senseless-cab-company-president-says-his-drivers-are-being-robbed-times-week/



He said lately, his drivers have been getting robbed two to three times a week. He first noticed an uptick shortly after the start of the pandemic.

“We saw crime start to rise, and people, they just got violent,” said Higa. “We’ve had female drivers who’ve been attacked. I know of one who has been stabbed to take the money.”

Higa says in the past two months alone one of his drivers lost an eye during a robbery while another had his teeth knocked out with a baseball bat.
Deeds Not Words

Inspector

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1159 on: December 23, 2020, 06:04:27 PM »
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/12/23/senseless-cab-company-president-says-his-drivers-are-being-robbed-times-week/



He said lately, his drivers have been getting robbed two to three times a week. He first noticed an uptick shortly after the start of the pandemic.

“We saw crime start to rise, and people, they just got violent,” said Higa. “We’ve had female drivers who’ve been attacked. I know of one who has been stabbed to take the money.”

Higa says in the past two months alone one of his drivers lost an eye during a robbery while another had his teeth knocked out with a baseball bat.

You want to lock people up and tell them they have to stay home and not see family at the holidays, not allow them to work, what do you expect is going to happen?
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!