Vaxx is free and people have a right to it? 

Gotz some twisted rationale there. . .

the vaccine isn't free - it was bought with our tax payer monies and tell this bakery what rights they have as a private business
https://aclu-co.org/court-rules-bakery-illegally-discriminated-against-gay-couple/

Discriminating against someone for something they were born with and they have no control over is a far cry from a conscious choice that can be changed.  That being said,  I thought that court ruling was incorrect.  The difference being the baker had to go out of his way to create said cake.  The baker should only be required to find alternative means to satisfy the rights of the customer.  Similar to abortion where a doctor should not  be forced to provide an abortion if they provide an alternative means to get an abortion.

And you are correct.  The vaccine is free for the people to get the shot.  The government and (us) the taxpayers did pre-pay it.

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Vaxx is free and people have a right to it? 

Gotz some twisted rationale there. . .

How so?  I was not charged a penny upfront for the vaccine nor, anyone I know.   We all know how taxes work so the poverty poor wouldn't even be charged taxes for it, enabling true distribution.  Everyone in America has a right to the vaccine right now. 

There is a difference between paying for something and a right  Theres nothing in the Bill of Rights that imply payment to exercise a right. Key word is inalienable. Thats why there is this twisted term being pushed around our local political scene - "housing rights". When a political figure adds a "right" to a commodity its wealth redistribution in other words taking money from hard working people and giving it to others.
All of us were charged through taxes. To dismiss an "upfront" cost is naive. BLUF: Taxpayers paid for it. Not everyone has a right to it i.e. illegal immigrants and the rest of the world.

Any Hilo side people want to form a group for the April 30 Target target?

What's the big deal? Only a couple thousand deaths due to vaccination, and less than a thousand permanent disabilities... so far. In the U.S.A. I'm sure all the parents, children, spouses, siblings and friends of those people would have willingly sacrificed them had they been asked in advance if they would have them dead and disabled for SAFETY!!!. Right? Otherwise they'd be murderous uncaring ignoramuses.


CDC: 2,050 DEAD Following COVID “Vaccines” as 300+ Deaths Added This Week – 16 Deaths from New J&J Shot Producing “COVID Symptoms”
 
 https://medicalkidnap.com/2021/03/26/cdc-2050-dead-following-covid-vaccines-as-300-deaths-added-this-week-16-deaths-from-new-jj-shot-producing-covid-symptoms/

Recorded deaths following the experimental COVID “vaccines” continued to soar this week as the CDC added more data today into the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), a U.S. Government funded database that tracks injuries and deaths caused by vaccines.

While the information contained in VAERS is publicly available information, the corporate media continues to censor it, and anyone who dares to publish publicly available information from the U.S. Government is labeled as “fake news” by the “fact checkers.”

The data released by the CDC today goes through March 19, 2021, with 44,606 recorded adverse events, including 2,050 deaths following injections of the experimental COVID “vaccines.”

Besides the recorded 2,050 deaths, there were 7,485 visits to Emergency Room doctors, 826 permanent disabilities, and 4450 hospitalizations.

What's the big deal? Only a couple thousand deaths due to vaccination, and less than a thousand permanent disabilities... so far. In the U.S.A.

It would have been of a lot more value to break down the stats separating the various vaccines involved.

Someone trying to decide to get a shot sure would like to know which one was causing what.

There is a difference between paying for something and a right  Theres nothing in the Bill of Rights that imply payment to exercise a right. Key word is inalienable. Thats why there is this twisted term being pushed around our local political scene - "housing rights". When a political figure adds a "right" to a commodity its wealth redistribution in other words taking money from hard working people and giving it to others.
All of us were charged through taxes. To dismiss an "upfront" cost is naive. BLUF: Taxpayers paid for it. Not everyine has a right to it i.e. illegal immigrants and the rest of the world.

Yup

I guess if one was raised having had everything given to them, then they wouldn't have an appreciation of what others who came before them have PAID.  Perfect example is this person's views of 2a rights.  Only looking at "what affects me". . .

Glad we put hysterical women in charge of things.

CDC director warns US is headed for "impending doom" as #COVID19 cases rise again: "Right now I'm scared"

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1376559737127452672

Here's a slightly longer version of her "impending doom" comments. Note what her suggestion is: "Just please hold on a little while longer." [What does that even mean?]

And that, ladies and gentleman, is the professional medical opinion of the physician who is Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Vaccine is free,  so monetary issues or class discrimination is out.  Vaccines are available to all,  so no race or availability issues.  All have the right to the vaccine.   It's your right to refuse it and you should still have access and full rights to anything public or private that you own.   Other private companies can choose to either let you or prevent you.  That's how private property works.  They can refuse service for any reason.   Including not being vaccinated.   Just like you have the right to dictate who gets in your car or how they dress to come to your house.   One of the major points of the 2nd ammendment is the ability to protect yourself and property. Yet that magically stops there?  No.   

Communism has no private property perhaps you want that.  Then regardless of vaccination or any other reason you are free to others lands.

More lies about a free vaccine. The vaccine is bought and paid for by the taxpayers. A citizen is free to accept it. but they paid for it. Stupid logic their dunce. And more lies about having a right to the vaccine. Nothing in the constitution guarantees the right to a vaccine. So just keep on lying there kid. You just keep digging your hole deeper and deeper. And you wonder why you don’t have any credibility here and everybody knows you lie every time you post something?   

Your justifications and logic are extremely short sighted. None of your examples even apply to to the reality of this can of worms you want to open up. Just because you say it won’t or shouldn’t happen, doesn’t mean it won’t. You are so stupid that you don’t realize that just having a passport sets up two different classes of people. It’s called class warfare. It creates a class of people who are looked down upon because they won’t conform with the elitist. We only have to look back 80 years to see it. And here is the fallacy of your passport logic. If discrimination based on vaccination or no vaccination should not occur (per your own words), then there is no need for a passport at all. Ever. Because if no one is required to show a passport for any reason, then it is not necessary for any reason. Just having to show it for any reason is discrimination in and amongst itself. Period. Whether you like it or not: Passport = Discrimination.

You are even more short sighted and do not realize the ramifications of your hypocrisy. It is what the ruling class and the rich elitists want you to have. More class warfare. Smart, real smart there dunce. Grocery stores already force people to not come in unless they comply with masks. Nothing (according to you own words) to stop them from doing the same thing with the passport. Just because you say it won’t or shouldn’t happen doesn’t mean it won’t. You are setting up the ability for this to occur with passports. Those that have a passport showing get in, those that don’t are left to fend for themselves. Let’s face it, no one has the right to buy groceries. Stupid just fucking stupid. All you have to do is look to the past. If you think it won’t happen, just look to the past. Having two classes of people mean those who have get more freedom and better treatment and access to better and more food. While those that don’t have will have to do with whatever is left over. If anything is leftover. Just the idea of allowing this possibility of different classes is stupid in itself. Why would anyone with any modicum of intelligence allow JUST the set up of two different classes of people is just beyond me. Your logic is flawed because you are not smart enough to see what happens when something like this is allowed. It is already happening with your fellow mask Karens. Those who wear masks and those who don’t. I know you see it, you have admitted elsewhere that you do.

The only way to prevent 2 classes of people is to not allow passports and documentation of any kind. Passports/documentation set up the ability to discriminate. Without the advent of passports/documentation the discrimination cannot occur. You are just asking for discrimination to occur if you require them.

Look to the past to see your future child. It is what you have to look forward to in your world. It appears you want socialism. And if we allow what you want it is what you will get.

“Those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it.”

How so?  I was not charged a penny upfront for the vaccine nor, anyone I know.   We all know how taxes work so the poverty poor wouldn't even be charged taxes for it, enabling true distribution.  Everyone in America has a right to the vaccine right now.

Because you say so?

The government did not create, nor are they producing, the vaccines.  Private companies are doing that.  Kind of like Big Tech Social Media companies control free speech.

In order to give the public something for "free", they have to take it from private companies or individuals unless the company is willing to sell to the gov't.  Never assume that all companies are interested in getting less from the gov't than they can on the open market.

In your world, if First Aid supplies save lives, such as antibiotics, clotting compounds, tourniquets, Israeli Bandages, snake bite kits and so on, they should also be "free".  As should healthcare.  As should fire extinguishers.  As should smoke detectors.  As should every part of a car or truck that has a uniquely safety-related function.

You have never been able to see the bigger picture of your moronic comments.  I don't expect you to start now.

person's views of 2a rights.  Only looking at "what affects me". . .

Pretty much the definition of the notorious "FUDD"

How so?  I was not charged a penny upfront for the vaccine nor, anyone I know.   We all know how taxes work so the poverty poor wouldn't even be charged taxes for it, enabling true distribution.  Everyone in America has a right to the vaccine right now.

You don't know the definition of "right".

In the beginning of the vaccine, only certain groups of people were allowed to receive it.  In some states, the elderly were first.  In other states, elderly were not among the first.

If the vaccine were a "right", wouldn't that mean everyone is eligible to get it, based on their right, without gov't discrimination?

There's a reason we have one of the lowest covid rates in the USA....

Hawaii reported the highest number of infections last week since over 2 months ago.  Comparing Hawaii with other states NOT ISOLATED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PACIFIC OCEAN is dishonest or just plain stupid.

Hawaii records 69 new coronavirus
infections as statewide tally climbs to 28,421

Hawaii Department of Health officials today reported 69 new coronavirus infections,
bringing the state’s total since the start of the pandemic to 28,421 cases.

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2021/03/17/hawaii-news/hawaii-records-69-new-coronavirus-infections-as-statewide-tally-climbs-to-28421/

There is a difference between paying for something and a right  Theres nothing in the Bill of Rights that imply payment to exercise a right. Key word is inalienable. Thats why there is this twisted term being pushed around our local political scene - "housing rights". When a political figure adds a "right" to a commodity its wealth redistribution in other words taking money from hard working people and giving it to others.
All of us were charged through taxes. To dismiss an "upfront" cost is naive. BLUF: Taxpayers paid for it. Not everyone has a right to it i.e. illegal immigrants and the rest of the world.

Alright I will change the wording to opportunity. Though I disagree slightly that it might still be a right.  The government exists for the people.  To protect and serve.  This is one of those examples.

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More lies about a free vaccine. The vaccine is bought and paid for by the taxpayers. A citizen is free to accept it. but they paid for it. Stupid logic their dunce. And more lies about having a right to the vaccine. Nothing in the constitution guarantees the right to a vaccine. So just keep on lying there kid. You just keep digging your hole deeper and deeper. And you wonder why you don’t have any credibility here and everybody knows you lie every time you post something?   

Your justifications and logic are extremely short sighted. None of your examples even apply to to the reality of this can of worms you want to open up. Just because you say it won’t or shouldn’t happen, doesn’t mean it won’t. You are so stupid that you don’t realize that just having a passport sets up two different classes of people. It’s called class warfare. It creates a class of people who are looked down upon because they won’t conform with the elitist. We only have to look back 80 years to see it. And here is the fallacy of your passport logic. If discrimination based on vaccination or no vaccination should not occur (per your own words), then there is no need for a passport at all. Ever. Because if no one is required to show a passport for any reason, then it is not necessary for any reason. Just having to show it for any reason is discrimination in and amongst itself. Period. Whether you like it or not: Passport = Discrimination.

You are even more short sighted and do not realize the ramifications of your hypocrisy. It is what the ruling class and the rich elitists want you to have. More class warfare. Smart, real smart there dunce. Grocery stores already force people to not come in unless they comply with masks. Nothing (according to you own words) to stop them from doing the same thing with the passport. Just because you say it won’t or shouldn’t happen doesn’t mean it won’t. You are setting up the ability for this to occur with passports. Those that have a passport showing get in, those that don’t are left to fend for themselves. Let’s face it, no one has the right to buy groceries. Stupid just fucking stupid. All you have to do is look to the past. If you think it won’t happen, just look to the past. Having two classes of people mean those who have get more freedom and better treatment and access to better and more food. While those that don’t have will have to do with whatever is left over. If anything is leftover. Just the idea of allowing this possibility of different classes is stupid in itself. Why would anyone with any modicum of intelligence allow JUST the set up of two different classes of people is just beyond me. Your logic is flawed because you are not smart enough to see what happens when something like this is allowed. It is already happening with your fellow mask Karens. Those who wear masks and those who don’t. I know you see it, you have admitted elsewhere that you do.

The only way to prevent 2 classes of people is to not allow passports and documentation of any kind. Passports/documentation set up the ability to discriminate. Without the advent of passports/documentation the discrimination cannot occur. You are just asking for discrimination to occur if you require them.

Look to the past to see your future child. It is what you have to look forward to in your world. It appears you want socialism. And if we allow what you want it is what you will get.

“Those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it.”

Not quite correct. Because of how taxes work, the poorest in poverty technically got a truly free vaccine as they pay no taxes.  You LIER, FAKE NEWS.    The government exists to provide life and liberty for the people, its in the bill of rights.  Your arrogance is hilarious. 

You are technically correct it creates "classes" of people but no restrictions that you can easily join said "elite" class.  This is akin to saying a drivers license creates a class of elitist drivers.  And will cause society to fail.  You do know that an actual passport creates a class of people who can travel abroad.  There are hundreds of examples like these.  That are perfectly accepted.  Its not doomsday. You have to show your ID to buy beer, is that discrimination?  No.  Most discrimination is based on things a person can't change,  sex, race, etc.   You must be vaccinated to go to many schools, is that discrimination?  No.  Stop lying bro.

I am amazed that wearing a mask creates a class of people,  how many classes of people exist in your life?   There are millions of things that are restricted by certain circumstances and we don't all go down the slippery slope.  Anyone can get a vaccine, its not restricted long term.  In the end you can't preach freedom of rights and property.  While also denying people said rights.  Corporations are people and are entitled to their own land and property which they can implement rules.  Much like your own home and car.  If a company can ask you to leave if you don't wear fancy enough clothes, they can ask you to leave for not being vaccinated. This is a basic right of Americans and democracy.  You can't cherry pick rights you want.  You are ignoring this fundamental point. All the potential ramifications in the world shouldn't threaten the basic liberties of Americans. 

You do bring an interesting point with the right to food.  One could argue you have that right, because of the right to life.  Hence essential businesses. 

Hawaii reported the highest number of infections last week since over 2 months ago.  Comparing Hawaii with other states NOT ISOLATED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PACIFIC OCEAN is dishonest or just plain stupid.

Hawaii records 69 new coronavirus
infections as statewide tally climbs to 28,421

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2021/03/17/hawaii-news/hawaii-records-69-new-coronavirus-infections-as-statewide-tally-climbs-to-28421/

Other states could close off all borders and traffic to mimic Hawaii. Its not some impossible task, but a testament to the effective policies.

Alright I will change the wording to opportunity. Though I disagree slightly that it might still be a right.  The government exists for the people.  To protect and serve.  This is one of those examples.

You didn't say that. 

Rights exist EVEN WHEN THERE IS NO GOVERNMENT.  You called the vaccine a "right".

Now you say the gov't has a DUTY to protect the people from disease?  Where is that in the Constitution?  "Provide for the common defense," as in military defense, is an actual gov't function.  Nowhere does it state the gov't is responsible for prevention or treatment of sickness.

You've tried to argue "right", and now "duty."  Neither is correct.

The government's role is not to do everything for everyone.  It's role is to provide a working mechanism for passing laws and enforcing them to carry out the dictates in the Constitution.  Period.

The gov't was never intended to take care of you from cradle to grave.  How can it?  Individuals must make those choices themselves.  As for the poor, there were always programs AT THE STATE LEVEL to provide vaccinations for the poor.  It was called the State Health Department, where I received all my immunizations before going to school.  Expecting the Federal gov't to do that was insanity.

Now, the states have mostly done away with those immunization programs because it became too expensive, and the FEDERAL gov't created an alternative:  Medicaid.

You really need to back off this topic.  You don't have a clue.