The COVID Cult (Read 1516699 times)

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6280 on: July 26, 2021, 02:48:16 PM »
please show where CMO said hmsa had rules

Good thing the bill of rights isn't up to what you think is stupid or not.  You're making this a bigger deal of this due to the misunderstanding of Flapps story.

There was a clerical error on their part because he was unvaxxed and let into the office.  So I'm sure the next time they will ask before entering and follow HMSA's policy (not CDC's policy).  So why would the PCP have teo decide to keep his SIL as a patient or not due to their error?

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6281 on: July 26, 2021, 02:48:45 PM »
All 3 are not related.  Some things need to proved in court.  Some need to be a consensus.  And well some things you can assume.  The world is not black and white.  Last time I checked this situation is not a court case.
Swooooossshhhh

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omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6282 on: July 26, 2021, 02:49:21 PM »
goalpost moved from "cdc rules say outside for non-vaxx is correct" to "appropriate measures for distancing" to "only when alll parties are vaccinated can you be mask less"...

Its almost as if the CDC guidelines change with new knowledge...and that I follow what the current guidelines are...

#science

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6283 on: July 26, 2021, 02:50:23 PM »
"If you're vaccinated, and you can't contract or transmit the virus, why does it matter if I am or not?"

This is a false statement that's why....for the 101st time.  A vaccine is not 100%. 

And for repeating myself to infinity.  The doctor does not need to explain his offices policy.  Indeed as puna wrote he can refer to another doctor.
He is not asking his doctors policy for infinity time. He is asking a covid question that the doctor was unable to answer.

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changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6284 on: July 26, 2021, 02:51:12 PM »

My specific mistake.

Let me rewrite: replace hmsa with doctor.

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omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6285 on: July 26, 2021, 02:55:24 PM »
He is not asking his doctors policy for infinity time. He is asking a covid question that the doctor was unable to answer.

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If I had an establishment and I said that masks are required.  For you to enter you have to wear one.  I don't have to explain any reason or answer any questions.  Much like this doctor can just say, idk its policy.  Though doctor could of handled it better but I would need to confirm with them on what exactly happened so far this is all one sided.   

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6286 on: July 26, 2021, 02:56:40 PM »
Nope, I am vaxxed and at that point its up to the LGS to decide if that's a requirement.  I wear a mask and socially distance.   Doing my duty by law.  The point is that this is the doctors office and his rules.  You are a person patronizing his business, you need to follow his rules.  Its not your rules.  I have no say in what the business owners requirements are,  who his customers are or what they do.  Its up to me to decide if I want to go to that business and follow their rules.  I would do the same to your property.  If you said no (insert requirement here),  I would either comply or not enter your property.
Since i was up there reading my old post. Can u post the law that youre duty is bound to?

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macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6287 on: July 26, 2021, 02:57:45 PM »
Its almost as if the CDC guidelines change with new knowledge...and that I follow what the current guidelines are...

#science

then why did you state that it was ok for the MD to meet non-vaxx outside?
oh, you were making shit up as always, then have to scramble to move goalposts...

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6288 on: July 26, 2021, 02:57:45 PM »
Its almost as if the CDC guidelines change with new knowledge...and that I follow what the current guidelines are...

#science
CDC guideline changed in the past 3 hours from unvaxxed must wait outside of the office to being deleted.

Goalpost moved. Shifting blame.

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changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6289 on: July 26, 2021, 02:58:36 PM »
If I had an establishment and I said that masks are required.  For you to enter you have to wear one.  I don't have to explain any reason or answer any questions.  Much like this doctor can just say, idk its policy.  Though doctor could of handled it better but I would need to confirm with them on what exactly happened so far this is all one sided.   
Wrong, read the question asked again.

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macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6290 on: July 26, 2021, 03:00:12 PM »


it says "next time" meaning they weren't following HMSA's rules at that time...

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6291 on: July 26, 2021, 03:03:05 PM »
Nope,  but 1st amendment still exists about retorting said statements.  Its only forced upon me/others when they want to implement rules or laws that dictate things on the non religious or people of different religions.  Like prayer in school,  abortion bans,  god in the government.  Adoption of "biblical" rules, denying service based on their own religion, etc. 

That's true hypocrisy.  If they truely were about religious freedom than https://thesatanictemple.com/ would have as much right to allow abortion (insert other laws) as other religions have the right to ban it.

it's been explained to you multiple times what the 1st amendment applies to, but you would rather go with whatever you "feel" to be correct...

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6292 on: July 26, 2021, 03:12:32 PM »
If I had an establishment and I said that masks are required.  For you to enter you have to wear one.  I don't have to explain any reason or answer any questions.  Much like this doctor can just say, idk its policy.  Though doctor could of handled it better but I would need to confirm with them on what exactly happened so far this is all one sided.   

Nobody cares what you might or might not have done (hypothetically).  I'm telling what happened.

What I deduced from that (as did my SIL) was that the doctor was following policies that SOMEBODY in his office set, and he was unable to provide a logical reason for the policy.

It demonstrates that the sheeple exist at all levels, even the doctors that we are supposed to trust to give us the correct info.

How many times have we been told, the vaccine decision should be between you and your doctor?  In this case, the doctor couldn't answer a basic question regarding vaccine effectiveness -- that didn't even touch on its safety.

Stop arguing.  This is not your topic, nor your story.  You were not there.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Glasser

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6293 on: July 26, 2021, 03:15:19 PM »
Fun Fact never in the history of the US has the CDC or FDA been in charge of healthcare or had any authority to direct doctors on how to care for their patients.

They still don't. This all over reach by politicians and government bureaucrats. Approvals and Recommendations are where their powers begin and end.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6294 on: July 26, 2021, 03:18:49 PM »
Nope,  but 1st amendment still exists about retorting said statements.  Its only forced upon me/others when they want to implement rules or laws that dictate things on the non religious or people of different religions.  Like prayer in school,  abortion bans,  god in the government.  Adoption of "biblical" rules, denying service based on their own religion, etc. 

That's true hypocrisy.  If they truely were about religious freedom than https://thesatanictemple.com/ would have as much right to allow abortion (insert other laws) as other religions have the right to ban it.

Since the 1st amendment wasn't the basis for the Roe v. Wade decision, how the hell do you think the 1st Amendment has anything at all to do with abortion rights?

Churches are not banning abortions.  They do have the right to not offer that service in church-based hospitals or in church-based businesses via insurance coverage.

Making something you have to pay for elsewhere is not "banning it".  It's just not enabling it.

#SoStupid
#SuchAnIdiot
#NotSarcasm
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6295 on: July 26, 2021, 03:25:08 PM »
Since the 1st amendment wasn't the basis for the Roe v. Wade decision, how the hell do you think the 1st Amendment has anything at all to do with abortion rights?

Churches are not banning abortions.  They do have the right to not offer that service in church-based hospitals or in church-based businesses via insurance coverage.

Making something you have to pay for elsewhere is not "banning it".  It's just not enabling it.

#SoStupid
#SuchAnIdiot
#NotSarcasm


Whos assuming now?

Where did I say that it was?  I said the 1st applies/implies to free speech of criticizing the religious zealots.

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6296 on: July 26, 2021, 03:28:20 PM »
All this past 4 pages could be solved with the doctor saying,  Vaccine requirements for inside visits are set by policy and will be followed.  And end the convo there.    Better if he could explain that two vaccinated people are less risk than one. #ezmath

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6297 on: July 26, 2021, 03:29:20 PM »
Vaccine is not 100% (repeated for the 100th time). Two people with vaccines is less risk than one with a vaccine.   Its his/offices rules, don't need to question them.  The CDC still recommends everyone be vaccinated and only when all parties are vaccinated that mask less gathering be allowed.

You STILL cannot understand plain English.

If the VACCINE is NOT 100% EFFECTIVE, then why is the doctor okay with seeing vaccinated patients INDOORS?

It would make more sense if he saw ALL patients outdoors, because, as you said, the vaccine is not 100%.  A doctor, of all people, should take ALL precautions against contracting ALL diseases, and if meeting outside helps do that, then opting to meet indoors is denying the science and the potential risk of contracting it and infecting all of his indoor patients.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6298 on: July 26, 2021, 03:30:11 PM »

Whos assuming now?

Where did I say that it was?  I said the 1st applies/implies to free speech of criticizing the religious zealots.

Show me in the Constitution where it says that.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6299 on: July 26, 2021, 03:32:52 PM »
All this past 4 pages could be solved with the doctor saying,  Vaccine requirements for inside visits are set by policy and will be followed.  And end the convo there.    Better if he could explain that two vaccinated people are less risk than one. #ezmath
4 pages could have been avoided if u read the SILs question. U still think the question is about policy.

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