The COVID Cult (Read 1516790 times)

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6300 on: July 26, 2021, 03:32:56 PM »
Show me in the Constitution where it says that.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

free·dom of speech
/ˌfrēdəm əv ˈspēCH/
noun
the right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint.
"the move would further harm freedom of speech in the region"


TLDR the 1st while concerning the government is still all about freedom of speech.  And with said freedom applies to citizens and gives me rights to think you are a doofus. 
« Last Edit: July 27, 2021, 06:18:54 AM by omnigun »

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6301 on: July 26, 2021, 03:34:48 PM »
4 pages could have been avoided if u read the SILs question. U still think the question is about policy.

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Nobody cares what you might or might not have done (hypothetically).  I'm telling what happened.

What I deduced from that (as did my SIL) was that the doctor was following policies that SOMEBODY in his office set, and he was unable to provide a logical reason for the policy.

It demonstrates that the sheeple exist at all levels, even the doctors that we are supposed to trust to give us the correct info.

How many times have we been told, the vaccine decision should be between you and your doctor?  In this case, the doctor couldn't answer a basic question regarding vaccine effectiveness -- that didn't even touch on its safety.

Stop arguing.  This is not your topic, nor your story.  You were not there.

Glasser

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6302 on: July 26, 2021, 03:37:36 PM »
COVID is obviously the first infectious disease in human history doctors have had to treat, hence the unique and hyper strict new protocols added to modern medicine tailored to it.

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6303 on: July 26, 2021, 03:49:52 PM »

30 mins ago and has more info compared to 4 hrs ago. And flapp never corrected me since he told the story.

"Cmo this is about questioning policy, not asking a question about the vaxx"



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Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6304 on: July 26, 2021, 03:54:09 PM »
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

free·dom of speech
/ˌfrēdəm əv ˈspēCH/
noun
the right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint.
"the move would further harm freedom of speech in the region"


TLDR the 1st while concerning the government is still all about freedom of speech.  And with said freedom applies to citizens and might rights to think you are a doofus.

If you're going to call someone a doofus, maybe you should learn to write  --  in English would be nice, but at this stage, any intelligible language would work.

The First Amendment began as a call to no longer require that members of the government belong to any particular religion the way England was doing.  Religion is protected in the first 2 clauses:  "shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"  If you understood punctuation (not just your view of it), you'd understand that's where the religious protection stopped (semi-colon).  Everything after that is about protection of speech -- in particular political speech -- and the right to assemble and to petition the government for change.

But, you think the 1st is all about forcing religion on everyone -- especially you.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aletheuo137

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6305 on: July 26, 2021, 04:03:03 PM »
Deep State rabbit hole!

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macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6306 on: July 26, 2021, 04:05:59 PM »
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

free·dom of speech
/ˌfrēdəm əv ˈspēCH/
noun
the right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint.
"the move would further harm freedom of speech in the region"


TLDR the 1st while concerning the government is still all about freedom of speech.  And with said freedom applies to citizens and might rights to think you are a doofus.

FOCUS- first amendment does not apply on a private website
THE END

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6307 on: July 26, 2021, 04:06:46 PM »
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

free·dom of speech
/ˌfrēdəm əv ˈspēCH/
noun
the right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint.
"the move would further harm freedom of speech in the region"


TLDR the 1st while concerning the government is still all about freedom of speech.  And with said freedom applies to citizens and might rights to think you are a doofus.

is that sentence in English?

Glasser

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6308 on: July 26, 2021, 04:19:56 PM »
Nice, more ways to fraud and not work. Also, why isn't China paying for this?

People with long-term COVID symptoms will be eligible for disability, Biden says


https://breaking911.com/people-with-long-term-covid-symptoms-will-be-eligible-for-disability-biden-says/

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6309 on: July 26, 2021, 04:22:16 PM »
UK "cases"
7/17 +54,674 (peak of wave) 
7/18 +48,161
7/20 +46,558
7/21 +44,104
7/22 +39,906
7/23 +36,389
7/24 +31,795
7/25 +29,173
7/26 +24,950

the DELTA!!!

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6310 on: July 26, 2021, 04:30:38 PM »
UK "cases"
7/17 +54,674 (peak of wave) 
7/18 +48,161
7/20 +46,558
7/21 +44,104
7/22 +39,906
7/23 +36,389
7/24 +31,795
7/25 +29,173
7/26 +24,950

the DELTA!!!
July 19th they opened more.

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Glasser

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6311 on: July 26, 2021, 06:39:35 PM »
July 19th they opened more.

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Leaked data suggest vast numbers are being classed as hospitalized by #COVID19 when they were admitted with other ailments, with the virus picked up by routine testing. - Telegraph UK

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1419786985699426305

Glasser

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6312 on: July 26, 2021, 07:01:34 PM »
https://vivabarneslaw.locals.com/upost/889925/vaccine-mandate-protest-letter

An Actual civil rights lawyer who has tried cases in front of the supreme court.

No authorship claim or copyright asserted...this letter just came to me in a bottle, and I have no idea who might have penned it, nor can I possibly vouch for it, and what you fine folks do with it is entirely in your own hands, as the Gentlemen of the Bar remind me I can proffer no general legal advice in the matter, and must officially disclaim proffering any such advice here...edit and excise as you see fit, amend and append as you desire, and claim authorship or anonymity as may best befit you...as always, as you wish...

Vaccine Mandate Protest Letter

Dear Boss,

Compelling any employee to take any current Covid-19 vaccine violates federal and state law, and subjects the employer to substantial liability risk, including liability for any injury the employee may suffer from the vaccine. Many employers have reconsidered issuing such a mandate after more fruitful review with legal counsel, insurance providers, and public opinion advisors of the desires of employees and the consuming public. Even the Kaiser Foundation warned of the legal risk in this respect. (https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/key-questions-about-covid-19-vaccine-mandates/)

Three key concerns: first, while the vaccine remains unapproved by the FDA and authorized only for emergency use, federal law forbids mandating it, in accordance with the Nuremberg Code of 1947; second, the Americans with Disabilities Act proscribes, punishes and penalizes employers who invasively inquire into their employees' medical status and then treat those employees differently based on their medical status, as the many AIDS related cases of decades ago fully attest; and third, international law, Constitutional law, specific statutes and the common law of torts all forbid conditioning access to employment upon coerced, invasive medical examinations and treatment, unless the employer can fully provide objective, scientifically validated evidence of the threat from the employee and how no practicable alternative could possible suffice to mitigate such supposed public health threat and still perform the necessary essentials of employment.

At the outset, consider the "problem" being "solved" by vaccination mandates. The previously infected are better protected than the vaccinated, so why aren't they exempted? Equally, the symptomatic can be self-isolated. Hence, requiring vaccinations only addresses one risk: dangerous or deadly transmission, by the asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic employee, in the employment setting. Yet even government official Mr. Fauci admits, as scientific studies affirm, asymptomatic transmission is exceedingly and "very rare." Indeed, initial data suggests the vaccinated are just as, or even much more, likely to transmit the virus as the asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic. Hence, the vaccine solves nothing. This evidentiary limitation on any employer's decision making, aside from the legal and insurance risks of forcing vaccinations as a term of employment without any accommodation or even exception for the previously infected (and thus better protected), is the reason most employers wisely refuse to mandate the vaccine. This doesn't even address the arbitrary self-limitation of the pool of talent for the employer: why reduce your own talent pool, when many who refuse invasive inquiries or risky treatment may be amongst your most effective, efficient and profitable employees?

First, federal law prohibits any mandate of the Covid-19 vaccines as unlicensed, emergency-use-authorization-only vaccines. Subsection bbb-3(e)(1)(A)(ii)(III) of section 360 of Title 21 of the United States Code, otherwise known as the Emergency Use Authorization section of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, demands that everyone give employees the "option to accept or refuse administration" of the Covid-19 vaccine. (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/21/360bbb-3 ) This right to refuse emergency, experimental vaccines, such as the Covid-19 vaccine, implements the internationally agreed legal requirement of Informed Consent established in the Nuremberg Code of 1947. (http://www.cirp.org/library/ethics/nuremberg/ ). As the Nuremberg Code established, every person must "be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision" for any medical experimental drug, as the Covid-19 vaccine currently is. The Nuremberg Code prohibited even the military from requiring such experimental vaccines. (Doe #1 v. Rumsfeld, 297 F.Supp.2d 119 (D.D.C. 2003).

Second, demanding employees divulge their personal medical information invades their protected right to privacy, and discriminates against them based on their perceived medical status, in contravention of the Americans with Disabilities Act. (42 USC §12112(a).) Indeed, the ADA prohibits employers from invasive inquiries about their medical status, and that includes questions about diseases and treatments for those diseases, such as vaccines. As the EEOC makes clear, an employer can only ask medical information if the employer can prove the medical information is both job-related and necessary for the business. (https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/questions-and-answers-enforcement-guidance-disability-related-inquiries-and-medical). An employer that treats an individual employee differently based on that employer’s belief the employee’s medical condition impairs the employee is discriminating against that employee based on perceived medical status disability, in contravention of the ADA. The employer must have proof that the employer cannot keep the employee, even with reasonable accommodations, before any adverse action can be taken against the employee. If the employer asserts the employee’s medical status (such as being unvaccinated against a particular disease) precludes employment, then the employer must prove that the employee poses a “safety hazard” that cannot be reduced with a reasonable accommodation. The employer must prove, with objective, scientifically validated evidence, that the employee poses a materially enhanced risk of serious harm that no reasonable accommodation could mitigate. This requires the employee's medical status cause a substantial risk of serious harm, a risk that cannot be reduced by any another means. This is a high, and difficult burden, for employers to meet. Just look at the all prior cases concerning HIV and AIDS, when employers discriminated against employees based on their perceived dangerousness, and ended up paying millions in legal fees, damages and fines.

Third, conditioning continued employment upon participating in a medical experiment and demanding disclosure of private, personal medical information, may also create employer liability under other federal and state laws, including HIPAA, FMLA, and applicable state tort law principles, including torts prohibiting and proscribing invasions of privacy and battery. Indeed, any employer mandating a vaccine is liable to their employee for any adverse event suffered by that employee. The CDC records reports of the adverse events already reported to date concerning the current Covid-19 vaccine.(https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/vaers.html )

Finally, forced vaccines constitute a form of battery, and the Supreme Court long made clear "no right is more sacred than the right of every individual to the control of their own person, free from all restraint or interference of others." (https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/141/250)

With Regards,
Employee of the Year

XXX


macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6313 on: July 26, 2021, 07:27:31 PM »

ren

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6314 on: July 26, 2021, 07:44:01 PM »
https://www.kitv.com/story/44372016/hawaii-governor-urges-residents-to-help-stop-covid19-spread-to-avoid-return-of-restrictions

"We all know what works in reducing the spread of the virus, it is to limit social gathering. So it may be a good idea to not attend church services in person for, you know, a week or two until we can get the surge under control. I certainly would choose not to go to a gathering, even informal, sometimes when you think you're in a friend's home, that it's okay to not wear your mask," Gov. Ige said. "But if they're not in your family bubble, and you don't know whether people are vaccinated or not, then you really are putting yourself at risk of getting infected. So I want to encourage everyone to just know that we know what we can do, personally and individually to reduce the spread of the virus, wash our hands, wear eye mask, maintain distance, don't go to social gatherings, because that's an opportunity to get sick, avoid large crowds, for the next two weeks, three weeks until we can get the case counts under control. We know what it takes to stop the spread of the virus. And I just encourage everyone to do their part."



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Glasser

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6315 on: July 26, 2021, 07:59:44 PM »
https://babylonbee.com/news/to-defeat-delta-variant-experts-recommend-doing-all-the-things-that-didnt-work-the-first-time

To Defeat Delta Variant, Experts Recommend Doing All The Things That Didn't Work The First Time

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6316 on: July 26, 2021, 08:02:44 PM »

hvybarrels

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6317 on: July 26, 2021, 08:39:34 PM »
Gov Ige be like

I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6318 on: July 27, 2021, 07:48:19 AM »
"science is a process, not person or an institution"

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #6319 on: July 27, 2021, 07:58:58 AM »