Here's some food for thought:

Holocaust:

They didn't start the executions right of the bat. It began in stages:
1) Make people think there is a problem
2) Require Jews to register themselves
3) Confiscation of guns (not sure if b4 or after reg)
4) Make it illegal for Jews to do certain things (segregation) (WE ARE HERE)
5) Move Jews from their homes into certain parts of towns (no compensation for property like home or cars or other items.Only took what they can carry).
6) Move Jews into camps
7) Everyone knows what happened next.  This took years to happen. 

So can this happen now?  Who knows.  I would think it wouldn't happen in the US.  But read below:

Japanese during WWII

1) Make people think there is a problem
2) Japs forced out of their homes into camps. 
3) These were legal residents, not the enemy combatants. 
4) Also their neighbors who were always nice to them told homeowners to sign their home over to them and they will look after it when they're released.  Guess what, many homes were not returned once the imprisonment was over. Is this similar to neighbors calling 911 for covid gathering violations?  Or Germans ratting out their Jew neighbors to the Gestapo?

German POWs in the USA during WWII
1) Got to leave the POW camps and go to various towns nearby
2) They were treated better than the blacks due to segregation.  The enemy could sit in the front of a theater, and the blacks had to go in the colored section, in the rear.  Diners for whites only, etc...

Now remember, both countries are civilized. Not like some 3rd world country. Germany had doctors, dentist, lawyers, educators all willingly take part in the genocide of Jews. All in the name of the greater good.

COVID-19 in HI

1) Make people think there is a problem
2) Businesses forced to closed
3) 2A right on pause due to limited closure of HPD firearms division, then RSVP system
4) Whether you're positive or negative, incoming flights must mandatory 14 day quarantine
5) Neighbors ratting out their friends for gathering
6) People yelled at for not wearing a shitty cloth mask mask or social distancing
7) Only the vaxxed no longer have to quarantine.  The unsick must prove they're not sick in order to bypass quarantine.  If not, 10 day quarantine.
Segregation of vaxxed and unvaxxed
9) Vaxx requirements in both public and private sectors for not only employment, but to do activities

The mistake that people who don't learn from history make is that they expect everything to happen the same way.  They do not understand the concept of what is going on.

CMO is Jewish?  (WE ARE HERE. . . part) 

Here's some food for thought:

Holocaust:


1) Make people think there is a problem

There actually was a problem and people were very aware of it, the Weimar Republic and its hyper politicized brand of Uber liberalism nonsense was escalating it influence. The ordinary German people didn't want it taking over the rest of the country.

See if any of the WRs ideas sound familiar...

Corrupt Government.
Mass unemployment.
Faltering Economy.
Escalating crime.
Rampant over sexualization and extreme liberalism.
Flagrant homosexuality and gender bending and pedophilia.
Push for Socialism / Communism

______

Yeah normal folks didn't want their children corrupted and their country turned into a flaming dumpster by that political movement, so the backlash was to start following an 'Iron Man' to clean up the joint. He decided the common denominator that created all these problems was Jews, and you know the rest of the story.

CMO the big difference that you have to take into account is that in your example one could just choose not to be Jewish, Japanese or black.  Once that choice is made everything would be equal.  Also the fact that race doesn't endanger any one else.   Or is contagious.  Special care is taken to protect others health. That's why we have smoking laws and drunk driving etc. 

CMO the big difference that you have to take into account is that in your example one could just choose not to be a Jew, Japanese or black.  Once that choice is made everything would be equal.  Also the fact that race doesn't endanger any one else.   Or is contagious.  Special care is taken to protect others health. That's why we have smoking laws and drunk driving etc.

You wanna check that statement? 

If you truly believe that, then no hope for you. . .

CMO the big difference that you have to take into account is that in your example one could just choose not to be a Jew, Japanese or black.  Once that choice is made everything would be equal.  Also the fact that race doesn't endanger any one else.   Or is contagious.  Special care is taken to protect others health. That's why we have smoking laws and drunk driving etc.

The people who enforced the above choose to enforce it. So being a Jew is uncontrollable.  But being German and calling the Gestapo is a choice they made against their Jew friends.  Choosing to segregate your business is a choice made by the owner. Choosing to follow orders and round up Japs was a choice by the government.  And all the races at the time were controlled due to their danger. So to say "race doesn't endanger anyone else" is incorrect during that time period.  Now we know its wrong, but all in hindsight.

So like I stated, it won't happen the same, but the concept is there. 

You keep mentioning smoking and drunk driving and again missing the concept that I spelled out above. Also the amendments state how booze can be governed. There is 1 prohibiting all booze (prohibition), then another a few amendments down that state each state can make their own laws.  I told you this before and to look it up, guess you never took the time to. Cause if you did, you would not use the booze example anymore.  Because states can regulate booze.

We all know how bad smoking is, yet people choose to smoke.  They are not forced to smoke or  forced to smoke due to limiting their options to do daily task.  So to govern smokers is all due to the choice that they made to begin smoking.  Compare this to being forced to get an injection by an employer, state, or guilt trip by family.  The option was not of free choice.

If you don't want to risk getting sick, then YOU stay home or don't do activities.  But do not restrict others from enjoying life.  This is the concept that many are not understanding.  And again, I say "concept", which has a deeper meaning than what face value seems. 

Do not respond to this post.  I enjoyed the not as serious posting while you were gone and would like to remain doing so. So I will not reply to all your post, only a select few.

There actually was a problem and people were very aware of it, the Weimar Republic and its hyper politicized brand of Uber liberalism nonsense was escalating it influence. The ordinary German people didn't want it taking over the rest of the country.

See if any of the WRs ideas sound familiar...

Corrupt Government.
Mass unemployment.
Faltering Economy.
Escalating crime.
Rampant over sexualization and extreme liberalism.
Flagrant homosexuality and gender bending and pedophilia.
Push for Socialism / Communism

______

Yeah normal folks didn't want their children corrupted and their country turned into a flaming dumpster by that political movement, so the backlash was to start following an 'Iron Man' to clean up the joint. He decided the common denominator that created all these problems was Jews, and you know the rest of the story.

I did not take what you wrote as that you are supporting Hitler.   Instead you showed what he used to get the German people on board.

Here's some food for thought:
...
1) Make people think there is a problem

You almost have that post right, but you left out a very important step -- THE most important thing in every situation.

As Glasser said, the problem in the case of COVID is that the problem is real, just as the Weimar Republic  corruption and the Japanese attacking the US without a formal declaration of war were real problems.

The step you omitted is this:

-- Propose a government-led "solution" to the problem.

The solution will not necessarily be one that solves the perceived problem, but if sufficiently supported by the leadership and sold to the public by the media, it can be accepted by the public as the solution.

In Germany, most people did not believe or know about the "final solution" at the concentration camps.  They were content to know that the homes, businesses and wealth of the Jews had been confiscated, and that the "problem" had been controlled through relocation of the jews to the camps to work for the war effort.  The public's acceptance of the solution as they understood it enabled the government to implement the true solution -- genocide.  Of course, the "solution" solved none of the problems they were intended to solve.  Propaganda gave the perception that things were better without the Jews in society, but few saw any real improvement in their lives.

The same thing has been true of COVID.  The government pretends to have solutions, but with each new mandate or vaccination, the virus continues to see spikes in infections.  The vaccine is not the solution they promised, so now they must scapegoat the unvaccinated.  As stated many times, if they had EVIDENCE the vaccine works as advertised, there would not be new mask mandates nor pressure to get vaccinated.  People would be 100% willing to take the vaccine voluntarily.

I think shutting down and censoring any and all information that contradicts the government's push to vaccinate is hurting the vaccination effort, too.  We are smart enough to know that, if the information is being censored, it must be true enough to cause concern in govt.  Otherwise, they could just as easily counter the information with facts and the truth.

Just like the gun control debate -- when the facts are not on your side, argue statistics.  When the statistics are not on your side, argue the facts.

I did not take what you wrote as that you are supporting Hitler.   Instead you showed what he used to get the German people on board.

Neither did I.  How one came to that conclusion is 

Then again, I find WWII history, including Hitlers and others during that time fascinating.  I don't idolize the guy or anything, but what happened, how it happened, etc is definitely something to learn from. Hence it will happen again.  Not exactly the same, but concepts.  If one can't see those, they can't see beyond the tip of their own nose. . .   

Yblems.

The step you omitted is this:

-- Propose a government-led "solution" to the problem.

Yeah, this is a huge 1. It wasn't a too serious post so I'm sure I'm missing lots of stuff. But just to get the tin foil gerbil wheel spinning, and back to our regular programing before I had to be more precise with my most due to someone arguing everything.

Saw a vid of Ronald Regan saying the 8 most feared words are "I'm from the government and here to help".

Yeah, this is a huge 1. It wasn't a too serious post so I'm sure I'm missing lots of stuff. But just to get the tin foil gerbil wheel spinning, and back to our regular programing before I had to be more precise with my most due to someone arguing everything.

Saw a vid of Ronald Regan saying the 8 most feared words are "I'm from the government and here to help".

You wanna check that statement? 

If you truly believe that, then no hope for you. . .

The point is if you are being "penalized" for being unvaccinated you can just get vaccinated.  Its quite a simple fix.  Unlike race which you can't change.  Hence they are completely different.

Also I have edited that statement.  Though I didn't see any issues with the word "jew".  I realize some others may feel differently.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/10/05/jew-not-slur/

3 banks requiring vaxx. First hawaiian, bank of hi and territorial savings. At least they will pay for weekly test for non vaxxed.

1 day after iges announcement. Which means coordinated effort by those on top. Nothing to see here folks.

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CMO the big difference that you have to take into account is that in your example one could just choose not to be Jewish, Japanese or black.  Once that choice is made everything would be equal.  Also the fact that race doesn't endanger any one else.   Or is contagious.  Special care is taken to protect others health. That's why we have smoking laws and drunk driving etc.

How does being unvaccinated put other people’s health at risk? The vaccinated have just as much viral load as the unvaccinated.

How does being unvaccinated put other people’s health at risk? The vaccinated have just as much viral load as the unvaccinated.

The viral load is similar only if they are infected with the variant.  Because of the vaccine they have a less chance to be infected.  Thus they are a much lower risk to others. 

Strange,  I got a different sense. 


There actually was a problem and people were very aware of it, the Weimar Republic and its hyper politicized brand of Uber liberalism nonsense was escalating it influence. The ordinary German people didn't want it taking over the rest of the country.

See if any of the WRs ideas sound familiar...

Corrupt Government.
Mass unemployment.
Faltering Economy.
Escalating crime.
Rampant over sexualization and extreme liberalism.
Flagrant homosexuality and gender bending and pedophilia.
Push for Socialism / Communism

______

Yeah normal folks didn't want their children corrupted and their country turned into a flaming dumpster by that political movement, so the backlash was to start following an 'Iron Man' to clean up the joint. He decided the common denominator that created all these problems was Jews, and you know the rest of the story.

In this sense hitler would be the "better outcome".  If he was against all those things. 

That's how I understood it.  I commented on this because of the pointless demonizing of "liberals". 

I've decided to be less confrontational unless what a user writes is completely unacceptable.   There is nothing wrong with liberals, gays, sex and half the things he listed even in historical aspect were misleading.  But I realize this will just devolve to another negative argument so I won't be replying further on this topic

Read my 2 post i wrote to you last week again.

Me, drck and glassers response should be sufficient evidence that he does not support hitler. Yet here we are again because u misunderstood something.

Not even an apology to glasser for implying that if u took his post literally that he supports hitler. Its obvious he was very offended by your reference to hitler.

"Im sorry i misunderstood your post".

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lol

I've decided to re-evaluate this "relationship".  Its turned toxic and I will refrain best I can from adding or contributing to that.  Unless something I see is unacceptable to my standards I will focus on sharing my thoughts refrain from endlessly arguing with others on them.  Not sure what "lines" you are referring to but I have them too.  That being said I won't add to this flame war either,  call me whatever names or have opinions on me, that's up to you.  Don't really care about your opinion.   But I won't lower myself to your level anymore. 

 

Missing "i turned it toxic".everything was all G until you replied.

Many things u see is unacceptable to your standards. This is where the problem is. See 2 post last week again. And no one else commented the way that YOU did.



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Vaccinated people will not social distance nor wear masks like they did before -- false sense of security.  Any reduced risk from the vaccine is being mitigated by the increased risk of vaccinated people who get infected and are now more apt to spread it through decreased precautions.

Don't believe me?  I refer you to the planes full of "Woke" and vaccinated Texas Democrats who flew to DC with infected passengers.  They didn't mind sharing their arrogance (and COVID) with people they visited with in DC.  The whole group should have been quarantined, but they were not because "vaccinated".  The whole group should have been wearing masks, but they didn't because "vaccinated."  The whole group should have had 2 seats separating them on the plane, but they didn't because "vaccinated".

Now, the CDC is saying wear masks indoors EVEN IF vaccinated.

#CriticalThinking
#GovtCanNotBeTrusted
#NotSarcasm
#DidNotMissHim

The viral load is similar only if they are infected with the variant.  Because of the vaccine they have a less chance to be infected.  Thus they are a much lower risk to others.

Delta is 80% of positives in hawaii.

B,

Dont listen to this guy.

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i dont want anyone to die, but a 33% reduction in statist troll activity would not be so bad