Rocky, if you are attempting a Kuleana type quote - please correctly quote me.
I did not ask: The ogive is a point on the bullet ?

Rocky, if you are attempting a Kuleana type quote - please correctly quote me.
I did not ask: The ogive is a point on the bullet ?

Nah, nag, nag.
Poor copy and paste on my part trying to divide your statement/question into answerable form for all.
We both know the point on the bullet is the "head"  tip and has nothing to do with sovereignty. 

Is that the comparator and precision micrometer thingy?  A buddy let me borrow his.

Yes. Precision micrometer thingy a.k.a. caliper as in "What caliper is your HD firearm ? ''   

Nah, nag, nag.
Poor copy and paste on my part trying to divide your statement/question into answerable form for all.
We both know the point on the bullet is the "head"  tip and has nothing to do with sovereignty. 

Hey slick, I don't know you nor you know me. I'm not nagging you. When you take things out of context and insert what you said into my quote that isn't accurate.
There is a difference between a micrometer and a caliper. What you have pictured above is a fucking caliper.
http://machinistguides.com/micrometers-vs-calipers/

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Alright fellas...

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 So if you're going down a river at 2 mph
and your canoe loses a wheel,
how much pancake mix do you need
to re-shingle your roof ?

 

 So if you're going down a river at 2 mph
and your canoe loses a wheel,
how much pancake mix do you need
to re-shingle your roof ?

How many square feet is the roof? Use your caliper.

  THIS IS ?

If your Hornady manual has the load data for the ELD Match 168 gr heads, that would be awesome!

The ELD 168 grainers I imagine must shoot great. I shoot the Hornady match 168 gn bthp version. And it gets first round hits from 500 to 800 plus easy with my rifle. Though, can’t seem to get it to 1k. Ranged one at 1029 to be exact, couldn’t get it. Gonna experiment with 175 gn for that. Anyways here’s some photos I took of my wind meter after ranging before taking the shots. You can see the the range stamp on the meter. And all shots hit with the hornadys after ranging.

How many square feet is the roof? Use your caliper.

  THIS IS ?

What are some of your fave powder and head combinations? 

The ELD 168 grainers I imagine must shoot great. I shoot the Hornady match 168 gn bthp version. And it gets first round hits from 500 to 800 plus easy with my rifle. Though, can’t seem to get it to 1k. Ranged one at 1029 to be exact, couldn’t get it. Gonna experiment with 175 gn for that. Anyways here’s some photos I took of my wind meter after ranging before taking the shots. You can see the the range stamp on the meter. And all shots hit with the hornadys after ranging.

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Def looking forward to trying the Hornady ELDs.  I've shot a bunch of Hornady .223 Rem over the years and they definitely get good reviews online.  On one of the ranges we shoot at, I think the 1000 yard target is something like 1050-1100, but the last time we went out, my buddy's range finder was the 800 yard max model and wasn't picking it up.  I didn't shoot much that day, but I was "scaring" it with my Rem 168 gr factory ammo.  My buddy hit it with his .308, but very different loads than mine. 

I'm eyeing that same Kestrel.  Definitely on my buy list.  I also spy some other nice gear.   

Thank you for sharing your load recipes fellas!

Can you add what barrel length and twists that go along with your preferences?

I currently have a 20" 1:10 "heavier" contour.  I thought it was pretty heavy profile, but looking at what's currently popular these days, the MTU and M24 contours are heavier than what I have.  Not by much though. 

My gun is going to be heavy.  Not planning on hunting with this particular Rem 700 setup though. 

Def looking forward to trying the Hornady ELDs.  I've shot a bunch of Hornady .223 Rem over the years and they definitely get good reviews online.  On one of the ranges we shoot at, I think the 1000 yard target is something like 1050-1100, but the last time we went out, my buddy's range finder was the 800 yard max model and wasn't picking it up.  I didn't shoot much that day, but I was "scaring" it with my Rem 168 gr factory ammo.  My buddy hit it with his .308, but very different loads than mine. 

I'm eyeing that same Kestrel.  Definitely on my buy list.  I also spy some other nice gear.   

Leica 2800.com range finder link via bt to the Kestrel 5700 elite with AB. Real easy and accurate. After taking environmentals with the Kestrel, link the range finder, range target, and the Kestrel will give the firing solution. Just make sure you have the latest firmware on both tools. And input all your bullet data  in the Kestrel for each of your rifles before use. Then should be gtg.

Leica 2800.com range finder link via bt to the Kestrel 5700 elite with AB. Real easy and accurate. After taking environmentals with the Kestrel, link the range finder, range target, and the Kestrel will give the firing solution. Just make sure you have the latest firmware on both tools. And input all your bullet data  in the Kestrel for each of your rifles before use. Then should be gtg.

Yeah, we totally weren't prepare that day.  We actually was out for just a weekend camping with "da boys" and just so happened we got to shoot.  But that is what reenergized my interest in the Rem 700. 

That Leica is what I spied!  Damn, you folks are going to cost me $$$    Great information of course and I've already gone way down this rabbit hole.  There are times when I am super close to being like "eff it, I'm gonna start getting parts for a new rifle".   

Appreciated the feedback!  I'll hopefully start "rolling my own" in about 1-2 weeks, and then range testing in about a month or so.  Can't wait. . . 

What are some of your fave powder and head combinations?

I have only used Varget and IMR4064 and only at 100 yards. Will there be that much difference between loads at 100 yards? My rifle is a Remington 5R 22" barrel, 11.25 twist with factory HS stock. You haven't touched on it yet but one of my biggest improvements was after switching out the factory trigger for a Triggertech Special.

This is with factory trigger.

Thank you for sharing your load recipes fellas!

Can you add what barrel length and twists that go along with your preferences?

I currently have a 20" 1:10 "heavier" contour.  I thought it was pretty heavy profile, but looking at what's currently popular these days, the MTU and M24 contours are heavier than what I have.  Not by much though. 

My gun is going to be heavy.  Not planning on hunting with this particular Rem 700 setup though.

That’s a fast twist. 1:10, I bet you’ll get great accuracy with 175 or 180 gn. Check with stability calculator for that twist rate. https://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmstab-5.1.cgi  or  https://bergerbullets.com/twist-rate-calculator/. For powder, well, whatever you can get your hands on these days. I like using Varget, RL15, TAC, and 8208 which for my reloads work well for 223 and 308. Mainly Varget for 308. But I collected these powders before sheet got crazy. Pretty much anything I could get. And I did do reloads and save data for each of the powders I have now. So if I run out of Varget, then move on to the next powder and check my past log for that powder. Primers, for my 308 I use fed 210.

I have only used Varget and IMR4064 and only at 100 yards. Will there be that much difference between loads at 100 yards? My rifle is a Remington 5R 22" barrel, 11.25 twist with factory HS stock. You haven't touched on it yet but one of my biggest improvements was after switching out the factory trigger for a Triggertech Special.

This is with factory trigger.

Very nice!  That second 45 group looks damn awesome.  The initial (left side) 43.5 looked promising too.   

That combo sounds similar to my buddy's setup.  I know his has the Remington HS stock, but I think 1:12.  His gun seems to like the 147-150 gr range heads.

I'll put details in a thread that I'll start on the 700 refresh, but I have a Geissele Super 700 that I bought in their 2019 Black Friday sale.  I was looking at the Triggertech Special and Diamond.  Which shoe profile did you go with?  I wish I could try the pro curved and flat.  I have both flat and curved AR triggers and I can't say that I notice a difference, but that's a much different context. 

That’s a fast twist. 1:10, I bet you’ll get great accuracy with 175 or 180 gn. Check with stability calculator for that twist rate. https://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmstab-5.1.cgi  or  https://bergerbullets.com/twist-rate-calculator/. For powder, well, whatever you can get your hands on these days. I like using Varget, RL15, TAC, and 8208 which for my reloads work well for 223 and 308. Mainly Varget for 308. But I collected these powders before sheet got crazy. Pretty much anything I could get. And I did do reloads and save data for each of the powders I have now. So if I run out of Varget, then move on to the next powder and check my past log for that powder. Primers, for my 308 I use fed 210.

I mostly have 168 gr factory ammo.  I was looking for 175 gr FGMM, but 168 was what was in stock.  At least back when I was shooting that gun more, which was like 7-8 years ago.  I heard that the 1:10 likes the heavier heads.  So far, I have 168 gr heads, but that's mostly because I have 168 gr factory ammo that I have on hand.  I have both FGMM and Remington Matchking, which I have had some pretty good results.  I'm def open to trying different weights. 

Interesting too because my buddy's gun with 1:12 twist, he likes the 150 gr range loads.  Now that I'm gearing up to get into it, will have more data points. 

Was looking at Berger boolits the other night.  I had been interested in them and also mentioned above.  They have LOTS of different heads and a lot of good reports online.  I was checking out the OTM and Hybrid, but also have read good things about folks shooting the hunter heads, and not just for hunters.  So many different stuff to try.  Haha

Primers, so far I have Winchester and CCi #200.  My buddy has Federal primers. 

If you’re looking for Hornady ELD load data, you should be able to use the AMAX data. The bullets are extremely similar in most specifications. I think the primary difference is that the ELD uses a new material for the polymer tip. Hornady realized that the polymer used in the older AMAX was melting and deforming during supersonic flight, which caused the BC to lower over distance. The Polymer used in the ELD supposedly addresses this problem.


Here’s some data I got from my Ruger Precision Rifle, which uses a 20” barrel:

Hornady 168gr A-Max Match
2580
2569
2552
2565
2580
Average 2569
SD 11
ES 28


I generally found that my best groups were in the 2500-2600 FPS range for 168gr loads. More specifically somewhere around 2550 or a tad above that. Of course your mileage may vary bc you’re using a different gun, but I did notice that a lot of the Remington guys with 20” barrels were also getting good results around that same velocity.