Gun Control and Racism (Read 10162 times)

hvybarrels

Gun Control and Racism
« on: July 24, 2012, 09:49:20 AM »
Great article someone forwarded to me about how the original reason people started gun control was to disarm freed slaves, and then more interestingly how the Clinton-era ban was in response to the inner-city violence of the crack epidemic. Basically it's about how liberals are showing how out of touch they are with regular people.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100172070/traditionally-racists-and-reactionaries-demanded-gun-control-in-america-why-have-leftists-now-joined-in/
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robtmc

Re: Gun Control and Racism
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2012, 10:25:25 AM »
Very telling about the nature of the liberal MSM in the US that you have to read a UK source to find this.  Happens again and again how things happen and are written in our country you would never know about if not for foreign media sources. 

Almost like they get their direction and approval from the White House or nearby.

Cougar8045

Re: Gun Control and Racism
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2012, 10:35:01 AM »
He's full of sh*t with his claim that gun control was traditionally a right-wing stance.  Based on the fact that the Democrats wrote Jim Crow laws, established the KKK, and generally acted like complete and total pricks to blacks, including disarming them, gun control has always been strictly the bailiwick of the left.  Unless you subscribe to the preposterous idea that the Republicans and Democrats switched sides fifty years ago, of course.
I'm just a fluffy white bunny rabbit who lost his way. 

"If a thief be found breaking in, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him. ..."  -Exodus 22:2

Colt808

Re: Gun Control and Racism
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2012, 12:35:39 PM »
It's not just liberals...

Washington corrupts...Anyone who enters politics loses touch with the "common man" after the 1st or 2nd term. This is why I believe there should be term limits for every public official. Electing fresh minds into office every 4-6 years is the only way to ensure that people are properly represented.
Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it. ~Thomas Paine


And I still see stupid people.

hvybarrels

Re: Gun Control and Racism
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2012, 09:09:04 PM »
He's full of sh*t with his claim that gun control was traditionally a right-wing stance.  Based on the fact that the Democrats wrote Jim Crow laws, established the KKK, and generally acted like complete and total pricks to blacks, including disarming them, gun control has always been strictly the bailiwick of the left.  Unless you subscribe to the preposterous idea that the Republicans and Democrats switched sides fifty years ago, of course.

Keep our guns and take away the guns from the slaves is a right-wing stance vs. take away guns from everyone to keep us safe as the new left wing stance. Right wing is inherently racist but at lest most of them admit in, in private conversation of course. Liberals are cool with blacks and mexicans as long as they don't move next door.
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Inspector

Re: Gun Control and Racism
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2012, 05:58:50 AM »
It's not just liberals...

Washington corrupts...Anyone who enters politics loses touch with the "common man" after the 1st or 2nd term. This is why I believe there should be term limits for every public official. Electing fresh minds into office every 4-6 years is the only way to ensure that people are properly represented.
+1 on this. I am happy to see someone agrees with my views as well!
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Heavies

Re: Gun Control and Racism
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2012, 08:06:28 AM »
Keep our guns and take away the guns from the slaves is a right-wing stance vs. take away guns from everyone to keep us safe as the new left wing stance. Right wing is inherently racist but at lest most of them admit in, in private conversation of course. Liberals are cool with blacks and mexicans as long as they don't move next door.

I don't agree with your statement at all. :wtf:

Cougar8045

Re: Gun Control and Racism
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2012, 10:07:19 AM »
Keep our guns and take away the guns from the slaves is a right-wing stance vs. take away guns from everyone to keep us safe as the new left wing stance. Right wing is inherently racist but at lest most of them admit in, in private conversation of course. Liberals are cool with blacks and mexicans as long as they don't move next door.
Why don't you provide an example or two, instead of saying, "Nuh-uh!  Right wing r teh rasicits!"
I'm just a fluffy white bunny rabbit who lost his way. 

"If a thief be found breaking in, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him. ..."  -Exodus 22:2

robtmc

Re: Gun Control and Racism
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2012, 10:34:49 AM »
Right wing is inherently racist
Speaking of racist, making comments like this and those that you made in the Trayvon Martin thread might cause you to do some introspection. 

Of course, you could provide some factual evidence for smearing so many as racists............

Cougar8045

Re: Gun Control and Racism
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2012, 10:41:52 AM »
Speaking of racist, making comments like this and those that you made in the Trayvon Martin thread might cause you to do some introspection. 

Of course, you could provide some factual evidence for smearing so many as racists............
lol, see also: my tagline.  :rofl:
I'm just a fluffy white bunny rabbit who lost his way. 

"If a thief be found breaking in, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him. ..."  -Exodus 22:2

hvybarrels

Re: Gun Control and Racism
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2012, 12:30:48 PM »
Anti-immigration civil rights violations, gerrymandering, prison industrial complex, war on drugs, jim crow 2.0 voter id, attacking welfare mothers, militarizing police forces, invading lots of countries with brown people live to take their natural resources...about the only non-racist position right wingers hold is being anti gun control.
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hvybarrels

Re: Gun Control and Racism
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2012, 12:32:14 PM »
lol, see also: my tagline.  :rofl:


I love that tag line, btw.
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Inspector

Re: Gun Control and Racism
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2012, 01:38:02 PM »
Keep our guns and take away the guns from the slaves is a right-wing stance vs. take away guns from everyone to keep us safe as the new left wing stance. Right wing is inherently racist but at lest most of them admit in, in private conversation of course. Liberals are cool with blacks and mexicans as long as they don't move next door.
I don't agree with this at all. It was the democrats who vote for slavery and the republicans who vote to abolish it. Gun control is inherently racist and that is what democrats support. I know and have known literally hundreds of republicans over my lifetime and have known only two racists. And out of the hundreds of democrats I have known most were racist just by their political stance of wanting to give more rights to minorities in the name of equality. Giving more rights to one race over another is racist in itself. The difference I found is that the democrats I have known would not admit to being racist through their beliefs and he republicans admitted it.
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hvybarrels

Re: Gun Control and Racism
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2012, 02:43:26 PM »
I'm a bit racist. These people who are looking forward to a globalized multicultural megacities where everybody ends up blending to the point of homogenization are out of their minds. Sometimes I need a 'white people' night or at least hang out with people who act white just so I can relax and not worry about misunderstandings or offending anyone. Maybe it's a cultural thing instead of a race thing. I'm fairly confident that most people feel the same way, and even if they think other people's cultures are stupid most people aren't going to go out of their way to make their lives more difficult. That is until government gets involved.
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Cougar8045

Re: Gun Control and Racism
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2012, 02:51:05 PM »
Anti-immigration civil rights violations, gerrymandering, prison industrial complex, war on drugs, jim crow 2.0 voter id, attacking welfare mothers, militarizing police forces, invading lots of countries with brown people live to take their natural resources...about the only non-racist position right wingers hold is being anti gun control.
Immigration: the right doesn't oppose it, we just want it to be done legally.  We'd also like something done about the fact that 57% of immigrant families receive some sort of government assistance.
Gerrymandering: Practiced by both sides, zero sum game.
Prison Industrial Complex: mmmmkay
War on Drugs: Been going on through a number of Demcratic Presidencies and Congresses. 
Voter ID: Not racist.  (Unless you're one of those people who think only white people are smart enough to obtain a state ID, which I imagine you most likely are.)
Attacking welfare mothers: What?  How? 
Militarizing police:  Chicago, LA, NYC, Detroit, and their ilk certainly are bastions of conservatism, aren't they? 
Waging War to Kill Brown People: Jesus Christ, really?
I'm just a fluffy white bunny rabbit who lost his way. 

"If a thief be found breaking in, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him. ..."  -Exodus 22:2

hvybarrels

Re: Gun Control and Racism
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2012, 03:25:57 PM »
Sheriff Arapaio is on trail for the first.

Second one you got me.

Prison industrial complex: percentage of prisoners by color vs percentage of population is WAY off

war on drugs; most liberals want to legalize it despite what politicians say

voter fraud is almost a non-existent problem. it's voter suppression.

welfare queen comments by people who live off dividends

militarized police force- you got me there too

wars to TAKE RESOURCES from brown people. we don't really want to kill them but they are sitting on our oil.
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Cougar8045

Re: Gun Control and Racism
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2012, 04:38:56 PM »
Sheriff Arapaio is on trail for the first.
Arpaio may be a conservative, but he is not "conservatives".
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Second one you got me.

Prison industrial complex: percentage of prisoners by color vs percentage of population is WAY off
And that's a sign of specifically conservative racism?  I didn't know that all police officers, DAs, judges, and defense attorneys shouldered the conservative mantle.  Did you know that if you control for persons raised in single-mother homes, the difference between the black and white incarceration rates disappears?  Perhaps 70% of black children today being born to unwed mothers is a symptom of dirty conservative racism...
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war on drugs; most liberals want to legalize it despite what politicians say

So what?  Not wanting to legalize drug use isn't a sign of not liking minorities, it's a sign of not liking drugs.
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voter fraud is almost a non-existent problem. it's voter suppression.
It may be almost non-existent, but it does exist.  Wanting to solve a problem is not racist.  Again, do you honestly believe only us white folk possess the mental agility required to navigate the DMV?
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welfare queen comments by people who live off dividends

militarized police force- you got me there too

wars to TAKE RESOURCES from brown people. we don't really want to kill them but they are sitting on our oil.
Let's just pretend that the US really does go around stealing peoples' resources.  (Which we don't, but let's pretend.) Is it racist that the inhabitants of the Afghan oil fields (Yes, I know.  Pretend there are oil fields in Afghanistan.  We're still pretending, remember??) happen to be brown?
I'm just a fluffy white bunny rabbit who lost his way. 

"If a thief be found breaking in, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him. ..."  -Exodus 22:2

Inspector

Re: Gun Control and Racism
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2012, 06:22:21 PM »
I'm a bit racist.
No, really? I couldn't tell. At least you are honest about it.

These people who are looking forward to a globalized multicultural megacities where everybody ends up blending to the point of homogenization are out of their minds.
I don't have to tell you that this is only a matter of opinion. I know plenty people think it is possible. And some people have a dream. I say it is almost impossible due to human nature. But out of their minds? Let people have their dreams and don't try and burst their bubble. Show some respect and consideration.

Sometimes I need a 'white people' night or at least hang out with people who act white just so I can relax and not worry about misunderstandings or offending anyone.

I found in my short life that if you show someone (or numerous people) respect, consideration and patience you will more than likely receive it in return. In that way you won't have to "worry" about misunderstandings or offending anyone. If you say something inappropriate they will be more than happy to let you know. A quick acknowledgement and a humble apology and everyone moves on without anger/hatred. This works for me 99% of the time. The other 1% have a problem and I move on. Now, let me ask you how do people "act white"???? This is one of the most ignorant things I have ever read. People act the way they do because of their culture and up bringing. Not because of their color.

Maybe it's a cultural thing instead of a race thing.
BINGO!!!! Give hvybarrels a prize. It is your decision if you feel the need to hang out with other whites. But then that is a racial thing of your making. I prefer to hang out all the time with my friends, acquaintances and those with similar interests and I could give a crap what color they are.

I'm fairly confident that most people feel the same way, and even if they think other people's cultures are stupid most people aren't going to go out of their way to make their lives more difficult. That is until government gets involved.
I'm VERY confident most people DON'T feel the same way. If someone feels another person's culture is stupid and they don't want to go out of their way to make their lives more difficult then those people have a problem. While they are entitled to their feelings and opinions they really don't know what they are missing. Closed minded people don't have any culture except ignorance and hate.

Thanks for sharing your inner most feelings here.
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hvybarrels

Re: Gun Control and Racism
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2012, 07:35:13 PM »
Let's just pretend that the US really does go around stealing peoples' resources.  (Which we don't, but let's pretend.) Is it racist that the inhabitants of the Afghan oil fields (Yes, I know.  Pretend there are oil fields in Afghanistan.  We're still pretending, remember??) happen to be brown?

I can tell you never studied strategy.
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hvybarrels

Re: Gun Control and Racism
« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2012, 07:37:02 PM »
No, really? I couldn't tell. At least you are honest about it.


And that's pretty much the only difference between us.
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