Your "Emotional Support" Pig is No Longer Allowed as "Carry-On" (Read 3628 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Your "Emotional Support" Pig is No Longer Allowed as "Carry-On"
« on: December 03, 2020, 02:03:51 PM »
U.S. Department of Transportation Announces Final Rule
on Traveling by Air with Service Animals


A few bullet points regarding the new ruling:

- Defines a service animal as a dog that is individually trained to do work or perform tasks for the benefit of a person with a disability;

- No longer considers an emotional support animal to be a service animal;

- Requires airlines to treat psychiatric service animals the same as other service animals;

- Allows airlines to require a service animal to fit within its handler’s foot space on the aircraft;

They have to publish the rule for 30 days before it becomes effective.

Personally, if they want ONLY trained dogs treated as "Service Animals", they should change the label to "Service Dogs," to avoid confusion.

Here's the actual FAQs for the new rule:

https://www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/2020-12/Service%20Animal%20Final%20Rule%20FAQs.pdf

A little expounding on the first two bullets above:

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The Department’s service animal final rule makes a number of significant changes to its
current Air Carrier Access Act service animal rule.

This includes:

(1) defining a service animal as a dog and no longer requiring airlines to
accommodate miniature horses, cats, rabbits, birds and all other service
animals that airlines are currently required to transport;

(2) permitting airlines to treat emotional support animals as a pet and not
requiring airlines to recognize emotional support animals as service animals;

(3) requiring airlines to treat psychiatric service animals the same as other
service animals that are trained to do work or perform tasks to assist a qualified
individual with a disability and no longer allowing airlines to impose additional
requirements on individuals traveling with psychiatric service animals as a
condition of transport; and

(4) allowing airlines to require service animal users to provide a form developed
by DOT attesting to the dog’s health, behavior, and training to assist the airline
in determining if the dog poses a direct threat to the health or safety of others
but prohibiting other forms.

https://www.transportation.gov/briefing-room/us-department-transportation-announces-final-rule-traveling-air-service-animals

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: Your "Emotional Support" Pig is No Longer Allowed as "Carry-On"
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2020, 02:05:13 PM »
Rip that's racist

Rocky

Re: Your "Emotional Support" Pig is No Longer Allowed as "Carry-On"
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2020, 02:08:57 PM »
 That's not my " Emotional Support" Pig  "  it's my "Psychiatric Service Animal".  :D
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Your "Emotional Support" Pig is No Longer Allowed as "Carry-On"
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2020, 02:11:11 PM »
That's not my " Emotional Support" Pig  "  it's my "Psychiatric Service Animal".  :D

Still has to be a dog.  No pigs allowed!   :wave:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Your "Emotional Support" Pig is No Longer Allowed as "Carry-On"
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2020, 02:19:54 PM »
More analysis of the new rule:

New Psychiatric Service Animal Loophole?

https://onemileatatime.com/psychiatric-service-animal/
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Rocky

Re: Your "Emotional Support" Pig is No Longer Allowed as "Carry-On"
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2020, 02:48:23 PM »
Still has to be a dog.  No pigs allowed!   :wave:
Retraction please.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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aletheuo137

Retraction please.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Oink oink

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Your "Emotional Support" Pig is No Longer Allowed as "Carry-On"
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2020, 03:00:04 PM »
Retraction please.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Nope.  I stand correct.

All service animals must be dogs ... no pigs, etc.

From the "Loophole" article:

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So, how do you get your dog trained as a psychiatric service animal? Well, you can do it yourself:

- All SERVICE ANIMALS are exclusively DOGS.

- All PSYCHIATRIC SERVICE ANIMALS follow the same rules as ALL SERVICE ANIMALS, i.e. must be DOGS, etc.

- EMOTIONAL SUPPORT ANIMALS can now be prohibited by airlines, implying non-canines will not be allowed -- i.e. "pets".
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

WTF?Shane

Re: Your "Emotional Support" Pig is No Longer Allowed as "Carry-On"
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2020, 03:05:03 PM »
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Solid Foods
Carry On Bags: Yes
Checked Bags: Yes
Solid food items (not liquids or gels) can be transported in either your carry-on or checked baggage.

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/items/solid-foods

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Your "Emotional Support" Pig is No Longer Allowed as "Carry-On"
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2020, 03:10:35 PM »
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/items/solid-foods

Live stock isn't food until it's no linger live stock ...

... emphasis on the word "live".   :shake: :thumbsup:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Rocky

Re: Your "Emotional Support" Pig is No Longer Allowed as "Carry-On"
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2020, 06:04:06 PM »
Nope.  I stand correct.

All service animals must be dogs ... no pigs, etc.


Originally posted as slight sarcasm but now that you mention it...

   No where does it say " i.e. must be DOGS, etc."  nor "All service animals must be dogs ... no pigs, etc." that is your opinion.
What it does say is
"While an emotional support animal calms its owner by its presence with no training, a psychiatric service animal is trained to provide psychiatric support to its owner."
"How will people prove that they need a psychiatric service animal? They don’t need to:"
"Psychiatric service animal users will no longer be required to provide a letter from a licensed mental health professional detailing the passenger’s need for the animal, nor will they be required to check in one hour before the check-in time for other passengers."
"To recap, psychiatric service animals can be trained by their owners, and there’s no documentation required that details a passenger’s need for this.
 Now, airlines can require travelers to fill out the DOT service animal form. This makes you agree to certain conditions, with the following warning:"
"The Department would monitor the experience of airlines in accommodating the use of psychiatric service animals, particularly given the concern that unscrupulous passengers may attempt to pass off their pets as psychiatric service animals. We indicated that we would “consider revisiting whether it is reasonable and appropriate to allow additional requirements for the use of such animals if there is a demonstrated need — for example, if there is a notable increase in instances of passengers falsely representing pets as mental-health-related service animals."

(Also) From the "Loophole" article:
"For all practical purposes, it sounds like people could use psychiatric service animals in the same way that some people previously used emotional support animals."

That's why their calling it a "loophole".  :crazy:

« Last Edit: December 03, 2020, 06:14:35 PM by Rocky »
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Your "Emotional Support" Pig is No Longer Allowed as "Carry-On"
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2020, 06:10:52 PM »
Originally posted as slight sarcasm but now that you mention it...

(Also) From the "Loophole" article:

For all practical purposes, it sounds like people could use psychiatric service animals in the same way that some people previously used emotional support animals.
That's why their calling it a "loophole".  :crazy:

The loophole is that the animal may be used for non-physical support (blindness, in a wheelchair, etc).  But, the animal still has to be a "Service Animal" and conform to all the same requirements, which by definition must be a dog.

That's the way I read all the rules and FAQs.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Rocky

Re: Your "Emotional Support" Pig is No Longer Allowed as "Carry-On"
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2020, 06:17:22 PM »
The loophole is that the animal may be used for non-physical support (blindness, in a wheelchair, etc).  But, the animal still has to be a "Service Animal" and conform to all the same requirements, which by definition must be a dog.

That's the way I read all the rules and FAQs.
JYO
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Your "Emotional Support" Pig is No Longer Allowed as "Carry-On"
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2020, 08:41:56 PM »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Your "Emotional Support" Pig is No Longer Allowed as "Carry-On"
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2020, 04:33:08 AM »
If its your ʻamakua would that mean automatic senior discount?
Stop blaming lazy people. We didn’t do anything.

aletheuo137

If its your ʻamakua would that mean automatic senior discount?
Probably have to fight it out in court the next couple of years

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mrgaf

Re: Your "Emotional Support" Pig is No Longer Allowed as "Carry-On"
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2020, 08:32:30 PM »
Still has to be a dog.  No pigs allowed!   :wave:

Guess crazy Mazie can’t fly....... >:D
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