Annealing Rifle Brass - Do you do it? Why? (Read 9948 times)

macsak

Re: Annealing Rifle Brass - Do you do it? Why?
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2020, 05:30:10 PM »
All good.  At least we not boring like macsak. . .  :rofl:

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Dolomite

Annealing Rifle Brass - Do you do it? Why?
« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2020, 12:23:49 AM »
Let us know the results on effects of annealing. I think their backlogged a couples of weeks but so is the range.   :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

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zypherdex

Re: Annealing Rifle Brass - Do you do it? Why?
« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2020, 03:35:29 PM »
Many people often say you dont need to anneal that often to maintain an acceptable level of accuracy. This may be true depending on the cartridge. Every firing and sizing cycle will work harden the case creating a different material condition in the neck and shoulder junction. Over time you will lose consistency if the material hardness in the particular areas are not maintained. As far as what will happen? Hard to say exactly, but youll probably get fliers here and there and one day get to a point where your case necks wont be able to provide tension onto the projectiles. Consistency is king.

If youre using high quality brass such as lapua or alpha, annealing them will allow them to last a long time (assuming you annealed properly).

Will annealing shrink your groups? Honest answer is probably not, infact it might cause your groups to grow. You will probably need to change your bushing on your neck die to acheive the desired neck tension. You also need to clean the inside of your necks because an oxide layer will form on the inside of the neck. The oxide layer is rough and will cause massive problems. Groups at 100 yards will probably be negligible. Most group shooting isnt properly analyzed anyways, but thats another story for another time (go to precision rifle blog). The gains from annealing will be improved runout and shooting at distance.

Is this worth it? For most, no it makes no sense to anneal. Factory ammo has come a long way and "acceptable" accuracy can be achieved. The time and price of getting gas and tuning your annealer for the specific cartridge and brass type doesnt work out as you will consume a fair amount of time, gas, and ruin brass getting it done right. In most cases, youre better off scrapping the lot and buying new brass.


If you shoot alot, and consistency matter you, and have the cash, get the AMP annealer and be done with it. I use one and its the best annealing solution on the market. I grew up learning using a torch and holding the case with vise grips. You could also find someone who does have one and pay them to do it for you, services like this can be found on other forums.

TLDR

I do da amp ting every time fo make da kine last mo longa.

drck1000

Re: Annealing Rifle Brass - Do you do it? Why?
« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2020, 03:45:49 PM »
Many people often say you dont need to anneal that often to maintain an acceptable level of accuracy. This may be true depending on the cartridge. Every firing and sizing cycle will work harden the case creating a different material condition in the neck and shoulder junction. Over time you will lose consistency if the material hardness in the particular areas are not maintained. As far as what will happen? Hard to say exactly, but youll probably get fliers here and there and one day get to a point where your case necks wont be able to provide tension onto the projectiles. Consistency is king.

If youre using high quality brass such as lapua or alpha, annealing them will allow them to last a long time (assuming you annealed properly).

Will annealing shrink your groups? Honest answer is probably not, infact it might cause your groups to grow. You will probably need to change your bushing on your neck die to acheive the desired neck tension. You also need to clean the inside of your necks because an oxide layer will form on the inside of the neck. The oxide layer is rough and will cause massive problems. Groups at 100 yards will probably be negligible. Most group shooting isnt properly analyzed anyways, but thats another story for another time (go to precision rifle blog). The gains from annealing will be improved runout and shooting at distance.

Is this worth it? For most, no it makes no sense to anneal. Factory ammo has come a long way and "acceptable" accuracy can be achieved. The time and price of getting gas and tuning your annealer for the specific cartridge and brass type doesnt work out as you will consume a fair amount of time, gas, and ruin brass getting it done right. In most cases, youre better off scrapping the lot and buying new brass.


If you shoot alot, and consistency matter you, and have the cash, get the AMP annealer and be done with it. I use one and its the best annealing solution on the market. I grew up learning using a torch and holding the case with vise grips. You could also find someone who does have one and pay them to do it for you, services like this can be found on other forums.

TLDR

I do da amp ting every time fo make da kine last mo longa.
;D

Kinda long, read most.  Will have to go back and read closer later. 

Neck tension is one aspect I've been reading more about lately though.  Mainly for bolt guns, but also applications for semi-autos.  Semi-auto considerations for eventually I get to shooting the M1 Garand. 

Rhed

Re: Annealing Rifle Brass - Do you do it? Why?
« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2020, 11:54:40 PM »
Agree.. @zypherdex is right. Get one AMP, pau. Mo safe, no need hang in your garage late at night with one fire extinguisher watching the Bench Source spin as the torches anneal your brass. Friggin boring. Well. Kinda cool at first. But I like my AMP with Aztec. Just tonight, after light show at the stadium with my family. Got home and annealed 50 Lapua 308 case. And 50 Nosler 223. Maybe little over 10 mins. Getting ready for LR shooting this weekend.



wirecounter

Re: Annealing Rifle Brass - Do you do it? Why?
« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2020, 07:39:32 AM »
Agree.. @zypherdex is right. Get one AMP, pau. Mo safe, no need hang in your garage late at night with one fire extinguisher watching the Bench Source spin as the torches anneal your brass. Friggin boring. Well. Kinda cool at first. But I like my AMP with Aztec. Just tonight, after light show at the stadium with my family. Got home and annealed 50 Lapua 308 case. And 50 Nosler 223. Maybe little over 10 mins. Getting ready for LR shooting this weekend.



Dang!  You have TWO full powder scaling setups!!

drck1000

Re: Annealing Rifle Brass - Do you do it? Why?
« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2020, 10:52:14 AM »
Was looking into both Annealeze (sp?) and AMP.  The AMP system gets a LOT of good feedback.  They also have a lot of videos showing the benefits of their system and annealing in general.  There was this one video where the guys have a test range connected to their workshop that they reload.  Damn impressive.

Annealing, if/when we get into it is a bit further down the road.  Good to get feedback from folks on 2a.   :thumbsup:

ren

Re: Annealing Rifle Brass - Do you do it? Why?
« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2020, 10:55:42 AM »
Was looking into both Annealeze (sp?) and AMP.  The AMP system gets a LOT of good feedback.  They also have a lot of videos showing the benefits of their system and annealing in general.  There was this one video where the guys have a test range connected to their workshop that they reload.  Damn impressive.

Annealing, if/when we get into it is a bit further down the road.  Good to get feedback from folks on 2a.   :thumbsup:

the inductive annealing appears more precise as in the whole case doesn't get heated up. If I had to do it all over again I'd pursue that but with a cheaper inductive heater
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drck1000

Re: Annealing Rifle Brass - Do you do it? Why?
« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2020, 10:59:34 AM »
the inductive annealing appears more precise as in the whole case doesn't get heated up. If I had to do it all over again I'd pursue that but with a cheaper inductive heater
What are alternatives to the AMP system?  Looking at all options at this point.  Well, except for DIY setups. 

I mean I am "ok" with paying for quality.  Just other things on the "to buy" list. 

ren

Re: Annealing Rifle Brass - Do you do it? Why?
« Reply #29 on: December 15, 2020, 11:18:27 AM »
What are alternatives to the AMP system?  Looking at all options at this point.  Well, except for DIY setups. 

I mean I am "ok" with paying for quality.  Just other things on the "to buy" list.

I don't have experience with this ....yet... but it was mentioned in the Youtube vid I posted a thread or two ago
https://www.ebay.com/itm/110V-US-Induction-Ductor-Magnetic-Heater-Kit-Bolt-Remover-Flameless-Heat-Tool/283781561067?epid=8025912484&hash=item4212b2faeb:g:fukAAOSwEoNe7CYl
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macsak

Re: Annealing Rifle Brass - Do you do it? Why?
« Reply #30 on: December 15, 2020, 11:56:09 AM »
Was looking into both Annealeze (sp?) and AMP.  The AMP system gets a LOT of good feedback.  They also have a lot of videos showing the benefits of their system and annealing in general.  There was this one video where the guys have a test range connected to their workshop that they reload.  Damn impressive.

Annealing, if/when we get into it is a bit further down the road.  Good to get feedback from folks on 2a.   :thumbsup:

you can buy lots of stuff for how much the AMP costs...

drck1000

Re: Annealing Rifle Brass - Do you do it? Why?
« Reply #31 on: December 15, 2020, 11:59:34 AM »
you can buy lots of stuff for how much the AMP costs...
Annealing Made Perfect. . . not your usual hangout. . . ;D