Biki costing us hundreds of thousands (Read 3228 times)

ren

Biki costing us hundreds of thousands
« on: December 06, 2020, 12:22:02 PM »
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macsak

Re: Biki costing us hundreds of thousands
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2020, 01:02:28 PM »

hvybarrels

Re: Biki costing us hundreds of thousands
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2020, 05:47:59 PM »
settled science
think of the children

I see what you did there
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omnigun

Re: Biki costing us hundreds of thousands
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2020, 06:19:58 PM »
Still worth it in my book.   It's convenient and less cars is a good thing.  Oh the poor state can't tax parking stalls, I shed no tears. Though I don't have an account to fully read the article.

ren

Re: Biki costing us hundreds of thousands
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2020, 06:28:53 PM »
Still worth it in my book.   It's convenient and less cars is a good thing.  Oh the poor state can't tax parking stalls, I shed no tears. Though I don't have an account to fully read the article.

you ride a bicycle to work?
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robtmc

Re: Biki costing us hundreds of thousands
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2020, 07:34:50 PM »
you ride a bicycle to work?
Well, from quotes, it seems he has an iFag phone and Gargle.   What else is there for millennials?

omnigun

Re: Biki costing us hundreds of thousands
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2020, 07:51:18 PM »
you ride a bicycle to work?

Live too far, I would have to bike something like 40 miles a day

ren

Re: Biki costing us hundreds of thousands
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2020, 07:54:16 PM »
Live too far, I would have to bike something like 40 miles a day

Another excuse. So you expect others to ride a bike while you drive your car? I've been biking to work since 2017 without stupid rip off Biki
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omnigun

Re: Biki costing us hundreds of thousands
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2020, 07:55:45 PM »
Another excuse. So you expect others to ride a bike while you drive your car? I've been biking to work since 2017 without stupid rip off Biki

No but it serves a purpose.  Biki allows those in metro areas and tourists to travel without vehicles. I don't personally have to use something for it to be good.

ren

Re: Biki costing us hundreds of thousands
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2020, 08:02:42 PM »
No but it serves a purpose.  Biki allows those in metro areas and tourists to travel without vehicles. I don't personally have to use something for it to be good.

Biki's purpose was not about convenience nor about getting cars off the road, it was structured to take advantage of the City. They pay no rent nor do they pay anything to make up for the revenue shortfall. Guess who will make up that shortfall? The city isn't a private organization - it is funded by US!

they not only take up street space but pedestrian space
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/12/06/honolulus-bikeshare-program-is-costing-city-hundreds-thousands-lost-revenue/

When the city launched its popular bikeshare program more than three years ago, City Councilmember Ann Kobayashi asked the city for documents showing how the non-profit was awarded $1 million in grant money for its start up.

“There was no RFP. I kept asking for it for about two years. And they kept saying ‘we’ll get it to you, we’ll get it to you.’ And the Department never did send me an RFP,” she said.

Under a request for proposal, or RFP, Bikeshare Hawaii would have had to compete with other potential operators. But a new audit said the city exempted the company from the process.

In the report, Honolulu’s Acting City Auditor Troy Shimasaki said a lack of transparency and accountability in the city’s bikeshare program is costing the city $460,000 a year in lost revenue while the nonprofit Biki is generating more than $2.7 million in annual sales.

Most of the lost revenue -- about $300,000 -- is due to the displacement of more than 40 parking meters to make way for the biki bikes, the audit said.

“It’s not just parking spaces they’re taking away but they’re using city property, the sidewalks. Other businesses have to pay property tax or pay something. Biki doesn’t pay anything,” Kobayashi said.
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omnigun

Re: Biki costing us hundreds of thousands
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2020, 09:54:43 PM »
Biki's purpose was not about convenience nor about getting cars off the road, it was structured to take advantage of the City. They pay no rent nor do they pay anything to make up for the revenue shortfall. Guess who will make up that shortfall? The city isn't a private organization - it is funded by US!

they not only take up street space but pedestrian space
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/12/06/honolulus-bikeshare-program-is-costing-city-hundreds-thousands-lost-revenue/

When the city launched its popular bikeshare program more than three years ago, City Councilmember Ann Kobayashi asked the city for documents showing how the non-profit was awarded $1 million in grant money for its start up.

“There was no RFP. I kept asking for it for about two years. And they kept saying ‘we’ll get it to you, we’ll get it to you.’ And the Department never did send me an RFP,” she said.

Under a request for proposal, or RFP, Bikeshare Hawaii would have had to compete with other potential operators. But a new audit said the city exempted the company from the process.

In the report, Honolulu’s Acting City Auditor Troy Shimasaki said a lack of transparency and accountability in the city’s bikeshare program is costing the city $460,000 a year in lost revenue while the nonprofit Biki is generating more than $2.7 million in annual sales.

Most of the lost revenue -- about $300,000 -- is due to the displacement of more than 40 parking meters to make way for the biki bikes, the audit said.

“It’s not just parking spaces they’re taking away but they’re using city property, the sidewalks. Other businesses have to pay property tax or pay something. Biki doesn’t pay anything,” Kobayashi said.


The governments job is to better the citizens lives.  I think this qualifies.  Not everything has to make the city money, the additional revenue from tourists and other uses is harder to measure but not something you can ignore.  Though I am not sure about the process of the company getting selected etc, the idea is a sound idea.

ren

Re: Biki costing us hundreds of thousands
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2020, 10:33:08 PM »
the City isn't getting revenue from Biki because it is a non profit.
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Biki costing us hundreds of thousands
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2020, 08:18:30 PM »
Biki's purpose was not about convenience nor about getting cars off the road, it was structured to take advantage of the City. They pay no rent nor do they pay anything to make up for the revenue shortfall. Guess who will make up that shortfall? The city isn't a private organization - it is funded by US!

they not only take up street space but pedestrian space
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/12/06/honolulus-bikeshare-program-is-costing-city-hundreds-thousands-lost-revenue/

When the city launched its popular bikeshare program more than three years ago, City Councilmember Ann Kobayashi asked the city for documents showing how the non-profit was awarded $1 million in grant money for its start up.

“There was no RFP. I kept asking for it for about two years. And they kept saying ‘we’ll get it to you, we’ll get it to you.’ And the Department never did send me an RFP,” she said.

Under a request for proposal, or RFP, Bikeshare Hawaii would have had to compete with other potential operators. But a new audit said the city exempted the company from the process.

In the report, Honolulu’s Acting City Auditor Troy Shimasaki said a lack of transparency and accountability in the city’s bikeshare program is costing the city $460,000 a year in lost revenue while the nonprofit Biki is generating more than $2.7 million in annual sales.

Most of the lost revenue -- about $300,000 -- is due to the displacement of more than 40 parking meters to make way for the biki bikes, the audit said.

“It’s not just parking spaces they’re taking away but they’re using city property, the sidewalks. Other businesses have to pay property tax or pay something. Biki doesn’t pay anything,” Kobayashi said.



I spoke to a Biki rep one time and asked them if they were making a profit yet and he said they said they haven't made any profit yet. The city may be losing money but if what they said is true, Biki may be losing as well.

ren

Re: Biki costing us hundreds of thousands
« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2020, 01:50:23 PM »

I spoke to a Biki rep one time and asked them if they were making a profit yet and he said they said they haven't made any profit yet. The city may be losing money but if what they said is true, Biki may be losing as well.

so you asked a non-profit if they are making a profit...
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Biki costing us hundreds of thousands
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2020, 07:56:17 PM »
so you asked a non-profit if they are making a profit...

Didn't know they were a non-profit at the time, but you would hole they wouldn't be in the red at least.