This is how I roll. 

I have always wanted to EDC carry a fixed blade but haven't found a comfortable way to carry it. Maybe haven't found the right knife either.

I could make one specifically to fit my needs but I haven't gotten around to it.

If the action had been in actual self-defense and he felt he was at risk of death or severe injury, then of course.

But, the Proud Boys are nearly always the ones on defense.  I've never seen a fight reported that they started.

You can't attack another party and then claim self defense because you lost the fight.  This, however, is often ANTIFA's M.O  They do just enough violence to provoke a response, and then cry victim.  Of course, only the part of the video that shows the provoked response gets released to the media and SM right away.

The proud boys literally go to these protests expecting and looking forward to the brawl. I have watched numerous incidents of proud boys fighting antifa and they are frequently not on defense as you suggest. They taunt ANTIFA and ANTIFA taunts them. It seems like ANTIFA throws the first blow more often but the proud boys are far from having their hands clean.

If you look at the video in the article it shows the group surround him and push him first. Then he pulls out a knife and they escalate their violence on him. Unless he started a fight right before the video started, it looks to have the beginnings of a justified self defense.

Nunchucks are not deadly nor dangerous, its on the bottom of the hrs law as case notes. I would think because martial arts is a sport/art. So a katana would fall into that  until an aggressor uses it in a non-art manner.

Same with a diving knife which is often sharp on both sides. Which is also the definition of a dagger (illegal). Diving knife is g2g.

In many states, if you've had training with "not deadly nor dangerous" weapons like nunchucks, you are required to register in your state of residence at the time you took classes. 

This might have changed, because the info I have was from the 80s.  A friend of my mom was leaving a concert at the Charlotte Coliseum which is not a very nice area to be in after dark.  She stood outside the entrance afterward to talk to friends.  Once she started toward her car, she realized almost all the other cars had left.  She could see her car, and she could also hear footsteps behind her.  She glanced back, and there were two men following her (not another car near hers).  She started running, and they in turn started running.  When she got to the car, she opened the door and grabbed a pair of nunchucks.  She held it up in one hand and yelled, "I'm armed!  Don't come any closer!"

One guy said, "That's a gun!" and ran away.  The other guy kept walking, then saw she didn't have a gun.  She warned him again, and he laughed, "What are you gonna do with that?"  When he was close enough to grab her, she flicked the nunchucks, and nailed him between the eyes.

She got in her car (no cell phones yet), and drove to the local police station.  The police followed her back to the parking lot, where they found the guy still lying unconscious.

The defense attorney tried to have the charges against the guy dismissed saying she used an illegal deadly weapon.  He'd done some investigating, and he didn't find a NC registration for her martial arts training. 

The prosecutor then produced a NY State registration -- where she took the classes.

The judge looked at the defendant and said, "Son, you're lucky she didn't kill you!"

So, while the nunchucks themselves are not considered deadly or dangerous, they may be when in the hands of a skilled user.  Would be a good exercise to see if Hawaii has any laws regarding martial arts training and such weapons when used by trained individuals.

The proud boys literally go to these protests expecting and looking forward to the brawl. I have watched numerous incidents of proud boys fighting antifa and they are frequently not on defense as you suggest. They taunt ANTIFA and ANTIFA taunts them. It seems like ANTIFA throws the first blow more often but the proud boys are far from having their hands clean.

If you look at the video in the article it shows the group surround him and push him first. Then he pulls out a knife and they escalate their violence on him. Unless he started a fight right before the video started, it looks to have the beginnings of a justified self defense.

Proof?

The videos are usually one-sided, excluding who actually started the "taunting" and harassing.

Look up who the Proud Boys are.  I'm not sure you know.

Proof?

The videos are usually one-sided, excluding who actually started the "taunting" and harassing.

Look up who the Proud Boys are.  I'm not sure you know.

The taunting is irrelevant. Violence is never legally justified based on how mean someone's joke or insult was.


The founder, Gavin Mcinnes was quoted as saying violent was a really effective way at solving problems.
https://www.vox.com/2018/10/15/17978358/proud-boys-trump-biden-debate-violence
The proud boys is a rowdy men's group, they enjoy the fight, they expect to get into fights, and they taunt too. Getting punched repeatedly is part of their initiation.

I have seen a number of videos of protesters burning the US flag and someone from a right leaning group runs in and starts a fight to save the flag.

It doesn't take long to find videos on youtube which appear to show instances where the proud boys were aggressive and not just defending themselves. But I will post a few.



Note that I am not saying ANTIFA never starts fight, they clearly do, but the Proud Boys have also started their fair share. Also note that I say this with the caveat that in these protest brawls it is difficult to prove whether the participants are official Proud Boys or ANTIFA members, so if you really want to nitpick then we rarely ever know anything. It's not like they wear a uniform and flash an ID before fighting. ANTIFA is by far worse but if you think I am trying to compare one against the other you are missing the point.

But bottom line, if you think the Proud Boys are always just innocent victims, then you are mistaken. Let me ask you this, if there was a Proud Boys rally, would you feel completely safe to stand at the edge with a sign that said something against Trump?

Nunchucks are not deadly nor dangerous, its on the bottom of the hrs law as case notes. I would think because martial arts is a sport/art. So a katana would fall into that  until an aggressor uses it in a non-art manner.

Same with a diving knife which is often sharp on both sides. Which is also the definition of a dagger (illegal). Diving knife is g2g.

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Not sure how you are saying they are not deadly or dangerous. I don't think they are ideal weapons given the physics but I sure as heck wouldn't want to be hit in the face by it.

Hawaii state law doesn't exactly define dangerous weapons really precisely and there is room for interpretation. Something like a katana would pretty easily be defined as a dangerous weapon while a large machete wouldn't be due to its intended use as a tool. Of course nothing inherently more dangerous about one than another, generally speaking, but one you would have a harder time justifying to a judge than the other.

The taunting is irrelevant. Violence is never legally justified based on how mean someone's joke or insult was.


The founder, Gavin Mcinnes was quoted as saying violent was a really effective way at solving problems.
https://www.vox.com/2018/10/15/17978358/proud-boys-trump-biden-debate-violence
The proud boys is a rowdy men's group, they enjoy the fight, they expect to get into fights, and they taunt too. Getting punched repeatedly is part of their initiation.

I have seen a number of videos of protesters burning the US flag and someone from a right leaning group runs in and starts a fight to save the flag.

It doesn't take long to find videos on youtube which appear to show instances where the proud boys were aggressive and not just defending themselves. But I will post a few.

Note that I am not saying ANTIFA never starts fight, they clearly do, but the Proud Boys have also started their fair share. Also note that I say this with the caveat that in these protest brawls it is difficult to prove whether the participants are official Proud Boys or ANTIFA members, so if you really want to nitpick then we rarely ever know anything. It's not like they wear a uniform and flash an ID before fighting. ANTIFA is by far worse but if you think I am trying to compare one against the other you are missing the point.

But bottom line, if you think the Proud Boys are always just innocent victims, then you are mistaken. Let me ask you this, if there was a Proud Boys rally, would you feel completely safe to stand at the edge with a sign that said something against Trump?

You're the one who sounded like taunting was "on both sides", making it a provocation started by both groups.

As for your "bottom line," think again.  The bottom line is that the Proud Boys schedule their marches, apply for permits, and have a legal right to be there.  The ANTIFA thugs show up with no pre-approval, have never been arrested for assembling in public places WITHOUT following local laws requiring permits, etc.  They show up uninvited and usually unannounced to cause trouble.

Name one occasion where the Proud Boys just "showed up" to start a fight.

You're the one who sounded like taunting was "on both sides", making it a provocation started by both groups.

From everything I have seen and read about these incidences I see and hear taunting coming from both sides. Again, taunts and saying provocative things never justify violence.

As for your "bottom line," think again.  The bottom line is that the Proud Boys schedule their marches, apply for permits, and have a legal right to be there.  The ANTIFA thugs show up with no pre-approval, have never been arrested for assembling in public places WITHOUT following local laws requiring permits, etc.  They show up uninvited and usually unannounced to cause trouble.

You again seem to have the false impression that I am defending ANTIFA or attacking the Proud Boys. My post is aimed at doing neither, I was only correcting an inaccuracy about the proud boys in your post.

You stated that the Proud Boys were nearly always on the defense, with no proof, but now you request proof of me when I said there were times where they started the altercations. I posted a few videos for you, feel free to provide some proof of your position as well.

By the way, who showed up to which side's rally is not a legal justification for violence. You can't legally justify punching an ANTIFA member just because he showed up with a sign to a pro-Trump rally.

From everything I have seen and read about these incidences I see and hear taunting coming from both sides. Again, taunts and saying provocative things never justify violence.

You again seem to have the false impression that I am defending ANTIFA or attacking the Proud Boys. My post is aimed at doing neither, I was only correcting an inaccuracy about the proud boys in your post.

You stated that the Proud Boys were nearly always on the defense, with no proof, but now you request proof of me when I said there were times where they started the altercations. I posted a few videos for you, feel free to provide some proof of your position as well.

By the way, who showed up to which side's rally is not a legal justification for violence. You can't legally justify punching an ANTIFA member just because he showed up with a sign to a pro-Trump rally.

There you go again, making it an argument about your or me and NOT the topic.

Just stop.  You STILL can't get me to do your research for you.   

The Proud Boys would not exist if the cops did their job and mopped up the violent murderous anarchists destroying peoples lives, but instead the police sit back and watch their cities burn and then set up sting operations on restaurant owners for violating unconstitutional lockdowns.

We’re being played and being set up for divide and conquer.  It’s easier to control a population that is distracted, divided and fighting each other.

One side is too dumb to realize they are being used.

There you go again, making it an argument about your or me and NOT the topic.

Just stop.  You STILL can't get me to do your research for you.   

Classic flapp. If he is losing the argument he'll just scream off topic. Even if the dude is the OP.


Both antifa and proudboys are in the wrong many times.  It's not a either or.  It's a both. 

We’re being played and being set up for divide and conquer.  It’s easier to control a population that is distracted, divided and fighting each other.

One side is too dumb to realize they are being used.

The truth of the matter is both elements of the right and left are being used, by those who really control the US.  Party affiliations have been infiltrated, by the power elite, for a long time now, by placating domestic issues and foreign policy, to control and distract both the left and right.

In the end, their goals were always the same, with the empires in the past; to subjugate the populace and posses all the wealth as well as allow the masses, to live just to serve their labor needs, for their agriculture fields, farms, factories, bureaucracy, and war machine.  If there is a "middle class", it is a temporary phase, in the capitalist economic system, that they now know, they need not squash, but painfully tolerate, knowing it will not last forever.

Most of the people, in the US, are forgetting the basics, of the early American psyche: "to live free, not bother, and not be bothered, by others, foreign or domestic".  Unfortunately, that is not what many, in the US, is all about now.

I have always wanted to EDC carry a fixed blade but haven't found a comfortable way to carry it. Maybe haven't found the right knife either.

I could make one specifically to fit my needs but I haven't gotten around to it.

I have a 3.25 inch China knock off Schrade from Amazon.  It was $13.99.  Made a custom Kydex sheath and carry IWB at the 8 oclock.

Hawaii state law doesn't exactly define dangerous weapons really precisely and there is room for interpretation. Something like a katana would pretty easily be defined as a dangerous weapon while a large machete wouldn't be due to its intended use as a tool. Of course nothing inherently more dangerous about one than another, generally speaking, but one you would have a harder time justifying to a judge than the other.

It does, read the bottom of HRS134-51.  Also mentions cane swords.  Any martial arts weapon can be used just for that, martial arts.  So it's "sole purpose" isn't to cause death or serious injury.

So if you see a guy with a katana on his back or at the hip and it is not being brandished or used in a deadly manner, it's legal.  Leave him alone.  Also 1 could carry concealed or unconcealed a machete, which is also legal to do here.  Compared to NV which it is illegal to do so.  NV law specifically states machetes.  And they also have a concealed blade length law of 2.5 inches.  But yet constitutional open carry. So the blade length law makes no sense.  My folding EDC in Vegas is 2.39 inches.  Had to hunt around many stores to find 1 for a cheap price.  Found it at Walmart.

I mentioned nunchucks because I do agree it isn't the best to use for self defense, but it is specifically listed at the bottom of our HRS and even in other states. 

The Proud Boys would not exist if the cops did their job and mopped up the violent murderous anarchists destroying peoples lives, but instead the police sit back and watch their cities burn and then set up sting operations on restaurant owners for violating unconstitutional lockdowns.

They were "just following orders" to not intervene.

The proud boys literally go to these protests expecting and looking forward to the brawl. I have watched numerous incidents of proud boys fighting antifa and they are frequently not on defense as you suggest. They taunt ANTIFA and ANTIFA taunts them. It seems like ANTIFA throws the first blow more often but the proud boys are far from having their hands clean.

Read carefully what you just posted.  Looking for a fight is not illegal.  I have also watched many vids, and almost all of them show that Antifa attacked first.  Of course there are exceptions, that's why I say "almost all" and not "all of them".

How often do you see PB attacking a husband and wife who are just trying to walk back to their car?  I've seen many antifa vids of that happening to Trump supporters.

*edit

Also even the media calls PB white supremacist (WS).  And even the local HI chapter who Nick Ochz is the president of was called a WS by many of FB.  He ran for a district seat for Kakaako against the shopping cart basher guy this year.

Nick is the worst WS I have ever seen.  His wife is black, half the Hawaii PB chapter is Asian.  I saw picks of their gatherings on FB before FB deleted their HI PB Chapter page.  Lots of filipinos in the chapter.

I mentioned nunchucks because I do agree it isn't the best to use for self defense, but it is specifically listed at the bottom of our HRS and even in other states.

Lawmakers probably watched Bruce Lee movies and determined nunchucks were deadly weapons.

Lawmakers probably watched Bruce Lee movies and determined nunchucks were deadly weapons.

Ever get whacked in the nuts by them?   

 

Ever get whacked in the nuts by them?   

 

Is that something you had to pay for, or was it included with the "House Special?"