Don't fistfight a man holding a knife (Read 16414 times)

RSN172

Re: Don't fistfight a man holding a knife
« Reply #40 on: December 17, 2020, 06:11:06 PM »
Ever get whacked in the nuts by them?   :o

 :rofl:
Nunchucks are too lightweight.  I prefer a 88 lb swinging log as in Iron Crotch kung fu.
Happily living in Puna

eyeeatingfish

Re: Don't fistfight a man holding a knife
« Reply #41 on: December 20, 2020, 06:16:49 PM »
There you go again, making it an argument about your or me and NOT the topic.

Just stop.  You STILL can't get me to do your research for you.   :stopjack:

Nothing I said made it about you or me, only the accuracy of your statement.

I posted videos, you didn't. Nuff said.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Don't fistfight a man holding a knife
« Reply #42 on: December 20, 2020, 06:20:12 PM »
It does, read the bottom of HRS134-51.  Also mentions cane swords.  Any martial arts weapon can be used just for that, martial arts.  So it's "sole purpose" isn't to cause death or serious injury.

So if you see a guy with a katana on his back or at the hip and it is not being brandished or used in a deadly manner, it's legal.  Leave him alone.  Also 1 could carry concealed or unconcealed a machete, which is also legal to do here.  Compared to NV which it is illegal to do so.  NV law specifically states machetes.  And they also have a concealed blade length law of 2.5 inches.  But yet constitutional open carry. So the blade length law makes no sense.  My folding EDC in Vegas is 2.39 inches.  Had to hunt around many stores to find 1 for a cheap price.  Found it at Walmart.

I mentioned nunchucks because I do agree it isn't the best to use for self defense, but it is specifically listed at the bottom of our HRS and even in other states.

Gotcha, what I was getting at when I said it wasn't all clearly defined was about deadly weapons, there is room for interpretation there. You are correct though, certain items are specifically mentioned.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Don't fistfight a man holding a knife
« Reply #43 on: December 20, 2020, 06:26:44 PM »
Read carefully what you just posted.  Looking for a fight is not illegal.  I have also watched many vids, and almost all of them show that Antifa attacked first.  Of course there are exceptions, that's why I say "almost all" and not "all of them".

How often do you see PB attacking a husband and wife who are just trying to walk back to their car?  I've seen many antifa vids of that happening to Trump supporters.

*edit

Also even the media calls PB white supremacist (WS).  And even the local HI chapter who Nick Ochz is the president of was called a WS by many of FB.  He ran for a district seat for Kakaako against the shopping cart basher guy this year.

Nick is the worst WS I have ever seen.  His wife is black, half the Hawaii PB chapter is Asian.  I saw picks of their gatherings on FB before FB deleted their HI PB Chapter page.  Lots of filipinos in the chapter.


Agreed, ATIFA is definitely worse and more dangerous than the Proud Boys, I am not trying to equate them at all. I was only pointing out that there have been quite a number of times where the PBs resorted to violence.

But of course it is hard to make any blanket statements about groups like this since its hard to know associations just from these chaotic videos. Was the guy and girl who assaulted the man with the knife proud boys members or were they just Trump supporters? Can't tell and that's why its hard to truly measure how measure rates of who start fights.

I don't really agree with the Proud Boys in terms of their stances as an organization but you are totally correct that racism  is a trumped up charges. There are, I think, valid criticism of the PBs but racism just isn't one of them.

drck1000

Re: Don't fistfight a man holding a knife
« Reply #44 on: December 21, 2020, 09:08:28 AM »
Nunchucks are too lightweight.  I prefer a 88 lb swinging log as in Iron Crotch kung fu.

You should post a pic from your next training session.  "Iron balls RSN"  ;D

Is that something you had to pay for, or was it included with the "House Special?"   :geekdanc:
Was more close calls of the "Self serve" variety.  :facepalm:

 :rofl:

changemyoil66

Re: Don't fistfight a man holding a knife
« Reply #45 on: December 21, 2020, 10:24:14 AM »
Gotcha, what I was getting at when I said it wasn't all clearly defined was about deadly weapons, there is room for interpretation there. You are correct though, certain items are specifically mentioned.

You can google what the definition used by many states are.  Dangerous weapon-Any item diverted from it's intended use.  So if someone wacks someone else on the head with a stapler. It's intended usage is to apply metal to keep papers together.  Not bash someone on the head with.  And why a machete is legal to carry in HI, it's intended use is to chop green stuff.  But Nevada specifically names a machete as a no go.

Deadly Weapon-Sole purpose is to cause serious bodily injury or death. So a knife that has a manufacturers description as "great for slashing or for self defense" vs. a description of "great for camping".  This is why I cannot carry my TDI Kbar knife in HI, but can in Vegas.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Don't fistfight a man holding a knife
« Reply #46 on: December 26, 2020, 06:35:01 PM »
You can google what the definition used by many states are.  Dangerous weapon-Any item diverted from it's intended use.  So if someone wacks someone else on the head with a stapler. It's intended usage is to apply metal to keep papers together.  Not bash someone on the head with.  And why a machete is legal to carry in HI, it's intended use is to chop green stuff.  But Nevada specifically names a machete as a no go.

Deadly Weapon-Sole purpose is to cause serious bodily injury or death. So a knife that has a manufacturers description as "great for slashing or for self defense" vs. a description of "great for camping".  This is why I cannot carry my TDI Kbar knife in HI, but can in Vegas.

If you read into case law there are additional specific things that are deemed deadly weapons from certain cases. I believe cane swords are one of them.

changemyoil66

Re: Don't fistfight a man holding a knife
« Reply #47 on: December 26, 2020, 07:53:02 PM »
If you read into case law there are additional specific things that are deemed deadly weapons from certain cases. I believe cane swords are one of them.
Read the bottom, it list that, nunchucks, diving knives, etc...i mentioned this above.

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eyeeatingfish

Re: Don't fistfight a man holding a knife
« Reply #48 on: December 27, 2020, 01:15:29 PM »
Read the bottom, it list that, nunchucks, diving knives, etc...i mentioned this above.

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Gotcha, didn't realize you were referencing case notes.

changemyoil66

Re: Don't fistfight a man holding a knife
« Reply #49 on: December 27, 2020, 03:30:44 PM »
Gotcha, didn't realize you were referencing case notes.
Many of the hrs134 has notes on the bottom. It often helps clear up what the legaleeze is saying.

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eyeeatingfish

Re: Don't fistfight a man holding a knife
« Reply #50 on: December 27, 2020, 08:28:35 PM »
Many of the hrs134 has notes on the bottom. It often helps clear up what the legaleeze is saying.

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Yeah, that's why I don't have a sword cane... :(  >:(

changemyoil66

Re: Don't fistfight a man holding a knife
« Reply #51 on: December 28, 2020, 09:27:00 AM »
Yeah, that's why I don't have a sword cane... :(  >:(

That's cause international market place (OG one) was closed down.  Also they sold cool "paper weights".

eyeeatingfish

Re: Don't fistfight a man holding a knife
« Reply #52 on: December 30, 2020, 02:59:45 PM »
That's cause international market place (OG one) was closed down.  Also they sold cool "paper weights".

At this point in terms of my skill level, I would probably just make my own. Make it inconspicuous and carry it around when I am an old man.