Best thing Trump can do is cut all the waste in the spending bill and transfer it to increase the $600 checks.  Still a waste of money, but it spotlights the waste in government and no one can say anything to counter it.

Remember when Pelosi called $1,600 in tax cuts "crumbs?"

Suddenly, $600 is a bonanza -- the difference between life and death.

https://ussanews.com/News1/2020/12/22/nancy-pelosi-calls-600-stimulus-check-significant-remember-what-she-said-about-a-1600-tax-cut/

They hate you
They hate me
Let’s all dump the One Party
With a fresh mag
Tap and rack
Give a dog a bone
Freedom Train comes rolling home

Wow, even yahoo news feed which is very anti-Trump posted about he BS in the stim. 

So Trump wants $2,000 stimulus checks?  He's an idiot.  I'd support some targeted covid funding that makes sense like money to buy and administer vaccines, targeted increase in unemployment benefits, and targeted business loans and grants, but the $600 stimulus much less $2,000 is a waste.

So Trump wants $2,000 stimulus checks?  He's an idiot.  I'd support some targeted covid funding that makes sense like money to buy and administer vaccines, targeted increase in unemployment benefits, and targeted business loans and grants, but the $600 stimulus much less $2,000 is a waste.

So you’re for the other stuff in the bill? It wasn’t the “idiot Trump” that put all that other crap in there.

Too many Americans falling for what is just another distraction by Congress not doing what is needed for their constituents, and trying to pull fast ones for their agenda.

So you’re for the other stuff in the bill? It wasn’t the “idiot Trump” that put all that other crap in there.

Too many Americans falling for what is just another distraction by Congress not doing what is needed for their constituents, and trying to pull fast ones for their agenda.

Correct.  The COVID Stimulus Bill was attached to the Omnibus Spending bill that created a total package cost of $2.3T.  They were combined so all the pork and waste would pass.  On its own, the Omnibus spending bill was/is complete garbage.  $1.4T has nothing to do with COVID.  $900B is COVID Stimulus.

In addition to the pork and waste, the bill also required the President get Congress' approval to invoke the insurrection act.  Why was that also included in this bill?  Could it be a way to take the option away from Trump as a potential means for staying in office?  If not, then why now, and why in this particular bill?

In addition to the pork and waste, the bill also required the President get Congress' approval to invoke the insurrection act.  Why was that also included in this bill?  Could it be a way to take the option away from Trump as a potential means for staying in office?  If not, then why now, and why in this particular bill?

But if Biden takes over in a month, why add that?  They must know something.  Especially Harris who has yet to resign her seat.

Trump did say besides the $2000, there is lots of crap and wants the bill redone.  I thought he just mentioned the $2K and nothing else.

So you’re for the other stuff in the bill? It wasn’t the “idiot Trump” that put all that other crap in there.

Too many Americans falling for what is just another distraction by Congress not doing what is needed for their constituents, and trying to pull fast ones for their agenda.

I made no mention of the other stuff in the omnibus spending bill.  There is nothing special about the waste in this year's bill because it's in there every year.  The worst part about it is it's considered a "regular" part of the annual budget.

Most of the covid stimulus bill is not needed and it adds to the national debt which needs to be paid back by us at some point, through taxes , cut in earned benefits, or inflation.  The $2,000 check is a loan or welfare depending where your at on the income scale.  Same with the unemployment benefit increase, the business grants, etc.  Not everyone needs it and it incentivizes states to lockdown when not needed, adds to unemployment and less productivity, and need for big government.

This round is different from the stimulus at the beginning of covid.  Back then we didn't have time to prepare, had limited information, and had to make drastic measures quickly.  Today we've had 9 months to prepare.  We have a lot of data on covid, the economy, and society.  Therefore stimulus should be very limited for those that really need it and encourage the reopening as safely as it can be done

I made no mention of the other stuff in the omnibus spending bill.  There is nothing special about the waste in this year's bill because it's in there every year.  The worst part about it is it's considered a "regular" part of the annual budget.

Most of the covid stimulus bill is not needed and it adds to the national debt which needs to be paid back by us at some point, through taxes , cut in earned benefits, or inflation.  The $2,000 check is a loan or welfare depending where your at on the income scale.  Same with the unemployment benefit increase, the business grants, etc.  Not everyone needs it and it incentivizes states to lockdown when not needed, adds to unemployment and less productivity, and need for big government.

This round is different from the stimulus at the beginning of covid.  Back then we didn't have time to prepare, had limited information, and had to make drastic measures quickly.  Today we've had 9 months to prepare.  We have a lot of data on covid, the economy, and society.  Therefore stimulus should be very limited for those that really need it and encourage the reopening as safely as it can be done

Rational and logical.
However, this is not the time of rational and logical. The world politicized this situation.

In addition to the pork and waste, the bill also required the President get Congress' approval to invoke the insurrection act.  Why was that also included in this bill?  Could it be a way to take the option away from Trump as a potential means for staying in office?  If not, then why now, and why in this particular bill?

I haven't studied the insurrection act, but getting Congressional approval seems like a good thing as a check on Federal executive powers.  It sounds like something that can be easily abused like it's been done in other corrupt countries.  America is all about limited Federal power, checks on branches of government, and freedom within the US.

I haven't studied the insurrection act, but getting Congressional approval seems like a good thing as a check on Federal executive powers.  It sounds like something that can be easily abused like it's been done in other corrupt countries.  America is all about limited Federal power, checks on branches of government, and freedom within the US.

Please do some reading on the Act and why it was created.

It's not about separation of powers.  It's about giving the U.S. presidents the authority to deploy active duty military to maintain or restore peace in times of crisis. The Insurrection Act was invoked numerous times in the 20th century, most famously when Dwight D. Eisenhower sent the 101st Airborne Division to enforce the desegregation of public schools in Little Rock, Arkansas.

Historically, it was designed to prevent a rogue state leader (like a US Senator from that state) from raising a mob or army to interfere in matters involving the federal government.  By law, the Feds could not deploy military forces against a state's forces on US soil.  The Act gave the President the power to order such a deployment in certain rare and extreme circumstances.

Slavery would have likely persisted long after the 1800s had Lincoln not expanded the Act to make the Civil War legal when he sent Union forces into Southern states.  We might even have remained 2 countries - the United States and the Confederate States.

In 1861, Abraham Lincoln expanded the law to form the legal basis for waging the Civil War.
Without it, he wouldn’t have had the authority to send federal troops into a state without the
governor’s permission.

After the Civil War, the Insurrection Act was further amended to give the president authority to
enforce the 14th Amendment and the conditions of Reconstruction in the South. That authority
is now found in Section 253 of Title 10 of the U.S. Code, which gives the president the right to
take military action within a state when “any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege,
immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities
of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection.”

If Trump declares the voting rights of some states's voters were violated because the state ran an unconstitutional election, ....

Since the Act was specifically created to stop states from "acting up," giving state representatives (Congress) effective veto power over Presidential action to stop such  "acting up" would be unproductive.  Democrat states would band together to stop Trump regardless of the validity of the action.

https://www.history.com/news/insurrection-act-thomas-jefferson-aaron-burr

I made no mention of the other stuff in the omnibus spending bill.  There is nothing special about the waste in this year's bill because it's in there every year.  The worst part about it is it's considered a "regular" part of the annual budget.

Most of the covid stimulus bill is not needed and it adds to the national debt which needs to be paid back by us at some point, through taxes , cut in earned benefits, or inflation.  The $2,000 check is a loan or welfare depending where your at on the income scale.  Same with the unemployment benefit increase, the business grants, etc.  Not everyone needs it and it incentivizes states to lockdown when not needed, adds to unemployment and less productivity, and need for big government.

This round is different from the stimulus at the beginning of covid.  Back then we didn't have time to prepare, had limited information, and had to make drastic measures quickly.  Today we've had 9 months to prepare.  We have a lot of data on covid, the economy, and society.  Therefore stimulus should be very limited for those that really need it and encourage the reopening as safely as it can be done

Ok, so what drew such ire to be “idiot Trump”?  I’m  no fan of his, but his catching shit for that should be all in Congress. Should be “eff Congress”.

I’m not an insider or expert in the horse trading that goes on, but I’ve seen it and a lot more directly in the last few years. One of the programs I’ve been working on for almost two years now had significant appropriations in there. Should never have been, but understand that advocates have only so many magic bullets. But why is Congress allowed to essentially play games with these programs? Because they play BS games and blames everyone but them.

Why is it before 2016, every odd year there was CRs? And every even years magically Congress figures things out?

IMO, the stuff that you made no mention of is a big deal. At least it is to me. Personally, I think the $600 that Congress came up with is a slap to the face of many. Why don’t they get the ire from more? Because they are good at manipulating things and passing off the ire conveniently on “idiot Trump”.

Override in congress soon.tm

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enjoy your tax money
you paid for this:

Just heard on the news that congress is going to get together tomorrow to renegotiate this bill. They are going to give us the $2,000 that Trump suggested. While I heard earlier today that they may have had the votes to overturn Trump’s veto it didn’t sound like they were going to try based on what the news here said tonight.

I wrote this when the previous bill was passed. I don’t like these bills. Not only is the pork spending overwhelming but a lot of people who don’t need and don’t deserve the money are going to get it. People who have not lost their jobs don’t need the money because they are not out a cent. People on welfare have not lost a cent since their income has not changed either. People in my position while it would be nice because I am now on a fixed income, my retirement income has not been effected at all by the lockdowns. I would prefer they only give the money to those who lost their jobs and are having true financial difficulties.

I used our last check to pay off medical bills. I’ll probably use this check to pay down my mortgage or car note. It would be nice to buy myself something that is blued and wood but the sooner I can pay off my mortgage the better.