"I built this business without gov't help. Obama can Kiss my ass," (Read 9622 times)

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"I built this business without gov't help. Obama can Kiss my ass,"
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2012, 02:35:00 PM »
I'd shop exclusively at businesses that put signs up like that!!
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Re: "I built this business without gov't help. Obama can Kiss my ass,"
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2012, 02:49:53 PM »
Never mind it was a slip. Obama was referring to the fact that the business owners didn't build the roads and bridges that he just mentioned. Which is correct. All it takes is a shift of punctuation in how the spoken phrase is written.

"Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges, if you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen."

But no one cares about that when there is such a juicy gaffe to capitalize on. Much more fun to isolate the "If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that." and rake him over the coals for it.

As I've mentioned elsewhere... truth and politics have very little to do with each other.

Cougar8045

Re: "I built this business without gov't help. Obama can Kiss my ass,"
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2012, 02:54:32 PM »
Never mind it was a slip. Obama was referring to the fact that the business owners didn't build the roads and bridges that he just mentioned. Which is correct. All it takes is a shift of punctuation in how the spoken phrase is written.

"Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges, if you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen."

But no one cares about that when there is such a juicy gaffe to capitalize on. Much more fun to isolate the "If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that." and rake him over the coals for it.

As I've mentioned elsewhere... truth and politics have very little to do with each other.
It doesn't need to be taken "out of context", nor was it a slip.  It was part of his prepared remarks, and it underscores his socialist bent that no individual can succeed without the good will of his collectivist comrades.  Most of the articles I've seen lambasting him have taken pains to quote his entire paragraph, because the full context of the remark is even more damning.  Taken on its own, the remark sounds like a gaffe.  Taken in full context, there is no wiggle room, no possible misinterpretation or spin that can make it sound better.  He said, and he meant, that without the benevolent hand of the government, no one can ever succeed at anything.  You didn't build that coffin nail, Obama did!
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clshade

Re: "I built this business without gov't help. Obama can Kiss my ass,"
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2012, 03:23:19 PM »
You mean that our roads and bridges are socialist?

Obama's comment, in the whole, is correct. Without some structure provided by the various levels of government there would be little to build a significant business on.

The left and right don't disagree on this principle. They disagree on how it should manifest and to what degree. In the grand scale between Anarchy and Totalitarianism (or whatever you want to put at that end of the scale) they don't really disagree all that much, either.

Romney has made nearly identical comments, as well. Somehow no one screamed "Socialist! Big Government Pig!" at him when he made them.

As I said, truth and politics are nearly incompatible these days. Hype is much more common.

Inspector

Re: "I built this business without gov't help. Obama can Kiss my ass,"
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2012, 04:17:40 PM »
While I did not post this to start a disagreement between whether Obama really meant what he said or not, I am in the camp that believes he meant what he said and is now back peddling because he realized what a huge gaff he started. It obviously is not good for re-election and I would bet that he would not have retracted on his statement if it were made during a second (and last) term. I have studied his words in their entirety at great length and I came up with how I feel on my own.

I posted this because I admire people who have moxie and are willing to express their feelings about how the president really feels about this country (And then back peddles) in such a large, grand way. I am not sure I would have the balls to put up a sign like that.

No matter how one feels about whether the president really meant his comments or not. I have one thing to say about it. When in my 20's I had a boss who made a huge impression on me during his time with the company we worked for. He didn't last long. About a year or two before leaving for greener pastures. He was a very logical and calm man who was Japanese. He was certainly one of the best bosses I ever had. He told me to always take a step back before I say and/or do anything and determine what the perception will be of what I was about to say and/or do. While I cannot predict the future I was always considering what perception of me was even after I said and/or did something. He always said, perception is everything. It really does not matter what the truth or reality is, the only thing that matters is ones perception. And over the next 30 or so years I found that he was quite right about this. So I say this to all of you no matter which side you are n and think you are right about Obama's words. It really makes no difference who is right on this subject. It only matters what the people's perception of what he said is. And I think he (and his people) are damn stupid for not determining what the perception of his words were going to be BEFORE he said them. He has a brain and his people have brains. They get paid to do this sort of thing. And to be honest with you, it doesn't matter what he truly meant. It only matters what people perceive his words mean. It's already too late. The damage is done. Proof? Read the article, read the sign.

Thank goodness for the first amendment. OK, you guys can start your bashing.  :shaka:
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clshade

Re: "I built this business without gov't help. Obama can Kiss my ass,"
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2012, 05:14:45 PM »
Great point, Inspector. Well said.

Supporting my (nebulous) point, actually: that we ~hear~ what we already believe. What is actually said doesn't have as much to do with "what people perceive his words mean" as what they expect to hear. What kills me is that politics seems less a discussion of... anything... as it is a fight to control what it is people ~expect~ to hear. The whole thing is just  a farce of a public process.

And I agree: kudos to the business owner for stepping up and expressing his views. We could use quite a bit more of that. No argument from me on that, for sure.

durkn

Re: "I built this business without gov't help. Obama can Kiss my ass,"
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2012, 11:24:30 PM »
I don't believe it was a slip.
Punctuation? Really??

The people that have built this America is the taxpayer.
The somebody who invested in the roads & bridges is the taxpayer.

The government used money it took from the taxpayer.
The government is not an income generating entity.

If you've got a business, the unreasonable tax burden you pay has paid for the roads & bridges.
You have paid for it.

If you've got a business, YOU built it, despite unreasonable tax burdens.
You have paid for it.

Somebody else made that happen?
What?
WTF?
The taxpayer made that happen.
And we are being told by this incompetent jackass that we are not paying enough.

Realize who this man really is.
Realize he campaigned as a centrist moderate & promised new levels of transparency.

He doesn't believe in the ideals our country was founded on.
Go see 2016 & it will enlighten you.

Inform yourself. Open your eyes to the lies right in front of you.
« Last Edit: August 28, 2012, 11:44:16 PM by durkn »
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Funtimes

Re: "I built this business without gov't help. Obama can Kiss my ass,"
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2012, 03:44:53 AM »
Those roads and bridges didn't build themselves - that small business owner made it happen. So no! The government didn't help us build it, we helped the government build it. And, yes, I believe this glass half full argument really does matter :).
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Re: "I built this business without gov't help. Obama can Kiss my ass,"
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2012, 11:24:43 AM »
Here's a full video of his remarks, in full context. 

link to video
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hnl.flyboy

Re: "I built this business without gov't help. Obama can Kiss my ass,"
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2012, 12:41:34 PM »
Here's a full video of his remarks, in full context. 



Fixed your link ^^^
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Re: "I built this business without gov't help. Obama can Kiss my ass,"
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2012, 01:27:32 PM »
I am not a lawyer.

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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2012, 01:38:01 PM »
Thanks for the fixup, gents!  I tried to get the video to be in the comment, but couldn't figure it out and gave up.  One thing is for certain:  I didn't build that comment, someone else built that!   :rofl:
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Re: "I built this business without gov't help. Obama can Kiss my ass,"
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2012, 01:51:15 PM »
Thanks for the fixup, gents!  I tried to get the video to be in the comment, but couldn't figure it out and gave up.  One thing is for certain:  I didn't build that comment, someone else built that!   :rofl:

No problem. Usually you can just copy the link to the page the video is on an voila, it's embedded :)
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« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2012, 04:09:34 PM »
No problem. Usually you can just copy the link to the page the video is on an voila, it's embedded :)
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« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2012, 10:41:40 PM »
Thanks for the fixup, gents!  I tried to get the video to be in the comment, but couldn't figure it out and gave up.  One thing is for certain:  I didn't build that comment, someone else built that!   :rofl:
YOU DIDN"T BUILD THAT FEATURE!!!

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Re: "I built this business without gov't help. Obama can Kiss my ass,"
« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2012, 11:33:02 PM »
You mean that our roads and bridges are socialist?

Obama's comment, in the whole, is correct. Without some structure provided by the various levels of government there would be little to build a significant business on.

The left and right don't disagree on this principle. They disagree on how it should manifest and to what degree. In the grand scale between Anarchy and Totalitarianism (or whatever you want to put at that end of the scale) they don't really disagree all that much, either.

Romney has made nearly identical comments, as well. Somehow no one screamed "Socialist! Big Government Pig!" at him when he made them.

As I said, truth and politics are nearly incompatible these days. Hype is much more common.

Obamas comment is NOT correct, in any way.
The "some structure provided by the various levels of government" was paid for by the hard working taxpayer.'
'We the people' paid for the infrastructure, that the government (who works for us) built.

"Little to build a significant business on"?
Really??
We don't need the incompetent building of roads (driven into Campbell Ind Park in the last two years?)
We don't need the rail (towers in Ewa that "can be moved"??)

They are incompetently pissing our taxpayer money away.
The  "little to build a business on" is bullshit.
If they cant do better than that, give us dirt roads & we'll all drive SUV's

The left and right DO disagree on this principle.
For the left is is "The government is here to help you & the people need to be led"
For the right it is " The government screws up everything it touches & they have forgotten they work for 'We the People'.

Please factually reiterate Romney's "nearly identical comments"
I'd like to hear them.

You stated truth and politics are nearly incompatible these days.
I'd say that is exemplified by the Democrat party.
Joe BIden recently stated that Repubilcans want to see Blacks in chains again.
What horseshit. How insulting to intelligence. Who believes his BS? He is the VP, for Christ's sake.
They are again resulting to racial division.
Wasn't he supposed to be the post-racial president?


« Last Edit: August 30, 2012, 06:02:45 AM by durkn »
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