Geezus Ren, you are killing me with all those pics of Big Mike.

 

This is why bipartisan support is needed for the green infrastructure deal.  All those oil workers will get layed off then, can go work for green tech and infrastructure.  If not they are eligible for unemployment and those responsible for holding off the green bill will be responsible.

So, if YOU got laid off because Big Tech bought out your contract with the state and replaced you with their employee, and there was no other place hiring because Big Tech pretty much bought out ALL gov't contracts (kickback for helping Joe win), assuming there are no more IT jobs you're qualified for in the area, what job would you turn to?

These displaced pipeline workers in many cases spent decades learning and practicing the skills they needed to be productive and knowledgable in their CAREERS.  Not just jobs -- CAREERS.  Now you think they should start over at the bottom of a new industry in which they have no experience or training?

You Liberals are all alike in this one aspect -- you belive everyone is the same -- except for you personally.  You want everyone to get $15/hr because they are as important to the company as the managers and owners.  You want to shutdown industries and expect all the workers in that sector to magically find jobs WITH THE SAME PAY AND BENEFITS with a company in a different sector.

Maybe Liberals who only work in government can make lateral moves to jobs in other areas with little training or experience, but that's not true of every field.

What about the people who are in their 40s, 50s and 60s?  Are they supposed to start at the bottom in a new job?  Bottom jobs provide bottom pay.  These people have mortgages, families to support and retirement accounts to fund.

This all assumes there are going to be the same number of "green" jobs available in the areas where the pipeline workers live.

There's a recession coming that's going to be on par with the one Obama failed to deal with.  We don't see it now, because the economy is shut down for the most part.  When it reopens, people are going to be out of work, expecting gov't assistance, and looking for jobs with businesses that are shut down for good or not hiring until they dig out from under the pandemic costs.

So simple to say, "Learn to code," which Candidate Biden was telling people.  Unless you post that on Twitter -- they'll ban you for that.

BTW, coding really doesn't pay that well.

Geezus Ren, you are killing me with all those pics of Big Mike.

Does it concern anyone else that he's collected all these pics?

So, if YOU got laid off because Big Tech bought out your contract with the state and replaced you with their employee, and there was no other place hiring because Big Tech pretty much bought out ALL gov't contracts (kickback for helping Joe win), assuming there are no more IT jobs you're qualified for in the area, what job would you turn to?

These displaced pipeline workers in many cases spent decades learning and practicing the skills they needed to be productive and knowledgable in their CAREERS.  Not just jobs -- CAREERS.  Now you think they should start over at the bottom of a new industry in which they have no experience or training?

You Liberals are all alike in this one aspect -- you belive everyone is the same -- except for you personally.  You want everyone to get $15/hr because they are as important to the company as the managers and owners.  You want to shutdown industries and expect all the workers in that sector to magically find jobs WITH THE SAME PAY AND BENEFITS with a company in a different sector.

Maybe Liberals who only work in government can make lateral moves to jobs in other areas with little training or experience, but that's not true of every field.

What about the people who are in their 40s, 50s and 60s?  Are they supposed to start at the bottom in a new job?  Bottom jobs provide bottom pay.  These people have mortgages, families to support and retirement accounts to fund.

This all assumes there are going to be the same number of "green" jobs available in the areas where the pipeline workers live.

There's a recession coming that's going to be on par with the one Obama failed to deal with.  We don't see it now, because the economy is shut down for the most part.  When it reopens, people are going to be out of work, expecting gov't assistance, and looking for jobs with businesses that are shut down for good or not hiring until they dig out from under the pandemic costs.

So simple to say, "Learn to code," which Candidate Biden was telling people.  Unless you post that on Twitter -- they'll ban you for that.

BTW, coding really doesn't pay that well.

I will find another job in my field or get retrained.  You know they need pipe for green projects too right?  Many of those oil jobs can be easily cross trained.  So no most of those jobs are not going to disappear.  An electrician will be able to work on the oil pipeline or the green infrastructure.  Concreate guy, steel worker and hundreds of similar positions. Its mostly construction.  Unless maybe the literal oil drilling ones but this pipeline wasn't about those.  And even those they need to drill (less deep) for foundation/etc for green projects.

Does it concern anyone else that he's collected all these pics?

Don't collect. There;s this thing called the internetz and this company called Google.
but mainly because I was accused of being biased in First Lady coverage

Did anyone do that for Mrs. Obama or Mrs. Bush?

I will find another job in my field or get retrained.  You know they need pipe for green projects too right?  Many of those oil jobs can be easily cross trained.  So no most of those jobs are not going to disappear.  Unless maybe the literal oil drilling ones but this pipeline wasn't about those.  And even those the need to drill (less deep) for foundation of green projects.

Imagine not having income for the time it takes you to "retrain."  Companies do not hire people that have to be trained for more than the lowest paid positions -- laborers.  Do you think people with mortgages and other debt can survive on unemployment until they get a similar salary?  What about people with degrees and higher education?  How quickly can those diplomas be replaced with education in another career?

There are other pipeline jobs in the areas where these people now live?  Please, list them for us.

What Green projects need pipes the size of XL?  I didn't know we could pipe solar and wind energy to the places it's needed.  Good to know.

Don't collect. There;s this thing called the internetz and this company called Google.

So, you do a search and then have to go through pages of images of ..... yeah .... just to find one to post?

How is that better?   

Imagine not having income for the time it takes you to "retrain."  Companies do not hire people that have to be trained for more than the lowest paid positions -- laborers.  Do you think people with mortgages and other debt can survive on unemployment until they get a similar salary?  What about people with degrees and higher education?  How quickly can those diplomas be replaced with education in another career?

There are other pipeline jobs in the areas where these people now live?  Please, list them for us.

What Green projects need pipes the size of XL?  I didn't know we could pipe solar and wind energy to the places it's needed.  Good to know.

Imagine a system where if one loses their job they get money to retrain and find another job...wonder what that could be called.  Maybe unemployment...

Like I said most of those jobs "lost" are construction.  The skills transfer right over.  No real retraining, no loss of income, new project that's all.  Just like normal.  Construction guys have different projects all the time, none are the same.  Just like in this case.  Instead of building a pipeline they build green tech,  like solar farms.  Battery charge stations, rail, and millions of other construction projects.   Its not like all they can do their entire life is work on XL pipes...

Imagine a system where if one loses their job they get money to retrain and find another job...wonder what that could be called.  Maybe unemployment...

Like I said most of those jobs "lost" are construction.  The skills transfer right over.  No real retraining, no loss of income, new project that's all.  Just like normal.  Construction guys have different projects all the time, none are the same.  Just like in this case.  Instead of building a pipeline they build green tech,  like solar farms.  Battery charge stations, rail, and millions of other construction projects.   Its not like all they can do their entire life is work on XL pipes...

Spoken like a child who never had to live in reality.

Do some research into how much you get from unemployment, then tell me it can pay all your bills, including rent or mortgage, while you spend 1, 2 or more years taking classes to start a new career.  And, if you take a low-paying job to supplement unemployment, you'll lose your gov't benefits.  Have you looked at the cost of education?  What about the student loan burdens people are screaming about?

If it was that  easy, everyone on unemployment would be enrolled in college.

Millions of other construction projects?


You listed 2, and only 1 has to do with construction.

Imagine a system where if one loses their job they get money to retrain and find another job...wonder what that could be called.  Maybe unemployment...

Like I said most of those jobs "lost" are construction.  The skills transfer right over.  No real retraining, no loss of income, new project that's all.  Just like normal.  Construction guys have different projects all the time, none are the same.  Just like in this case.  Instead of building a pipeline they build green tech,  like solar farms.  Battery charge stations, rail, and millions of other construction projects.   Its not like all they can do their entire life is work on XL pipes...

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I'll have to look up the details and see for myself, but it appears (from what I was told from HR folks today) is that one of Biden's EOs openings things way up for Unions to interject or impose their influence through opening up what constitutes open for negotiation/bargaining.  Seems like many of the HR folks are all up in arms about it.

Spoken like a child who never had to live in reality.
Do some research into how much you get from unemployment, then tell me it can pay all your bills, including rent or mortgage, while you spend 1, 2 or more years taking classes to start a new career.  And, if you take a low-paying job to supplement unemployment, you'll lose your gov't benefits.  Have you looked at the cost of education?  What about the student loan burdens people are screaming about?
If it was that  easy, everyone on unemployment would be enrolled in college.
Millions of other construction projects?
You listed 2, and only 1 has to do with construction.

You don't understand.
Just take the unemployed IT guy and transfer his skills right over to ... welding, transmission repair, concrete finisher or maybe even King Crab fisherman 

You don't understand.
Just take the unemployed IT guy and transfer his skills right over to ... welding, transmission repair, concrete finisher or maybe even King Crab fisherman 

And have the "training" be picked up, just like that. . . Of course, cost of which will be picked up, right? 

Then what if one's feelings is affected? 

You don't understand.
Just take the unemployed IT guy and transfer his skills right over to ... welding, transmission repair, concrete finisher or maybe even King Crab fisherman 

keyboard hands to welder?! Fail.

meanwhile

You don't understand.
Just take the unemployed IT guy and transfer his skills right over to ... welding, transmission repair, concrete finisher or maybe even King Crab fisherman 

S/He can shovel manure.  Years of experience.   

Maybe s/he can learn "construction", since there are going to be "MILLIONS OF OTHER CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS" to hire onto.  I'm sure s/he's got the physical qualifications needed and would welcome working outdoors in the Hawaii weather.   

If you weld, pipes you can weld other things for "green" tech. 
If you pour concreate, you can do the same for "green" tech.
If you run wires or electric work, you can do the same for "green" tech.
If you survey land for oil pipe, you can do the same for "green" tech.
If you work the desk job documenting things for the oil project you can do the same for "green" tech project.
If you lay foundation for oil pipes, you can do the same for "green" tech.
If you cut trees or move dirt for oil pipes, you can do the same for "green" tech.

Its not a hard concept to understand that skills and trades don't really change just the project does.  If you all can't get that there is no amount of explaining I can do to fix that.

If you weld, pipes you can weld other things for "green" tech. 
If you pour concreate, you can do the same for "green" tech.
If you run wires or electric work, you can do the same for "green" tech.
If you survey land for oil pipe, you can do the same for "green" tech.
If you work the desk job documenting things for the oil project you can do the same for "green" tech project.
If you lay foundation for oil pipes, you can do the same for "green" tech.
If you cut trees or move dirt for oil pipes, you can do the same for "green" tech.

Its not a hard concept to understand that skills and trades don't really change just the project does.  If you all can't get that there is no amount of explaining I can do to fix that.

If you understand reality, those jobs are not going to exist in the places the people being fired live.

Will these green jobs offer relocation costs, home selling guarantees and other benefits?  Where will these people be forced to move?  Why are they required to leave their homes near family, friends and businesses they have relationships with?

You really have no clue.  Creating jobs in Kentucky or Mississippi to replace jobs in North and South Dakota is not a replacement job.  It's a job someone living in that are will take instead of the fired person.

here's green tech

If you understand reality, those jobs are not going to exist in the places the people being fired live.

Will these green jobs offer relocation costs, home selling guarantees and other benefits?  Where will these people be forced to move?  Why are they required to leave their homes near family, friends and businesses they have relationships with?

You really have no clue.  Creating jobs in Kentucky or Mississippi to replace jobs in North and South Dakota is not a replacement job.  It's a job someone living in that are will take instead of the fired person.

Oil pipeline, this topic is about oil pipeline.  Not every gas or oil job.  All those jobs lost are 100% are involved in THIS PROJECT that was canceled.  This XO does not cancel oil jobs across America... I hope they do offer those benefits for those that need, but its not like those states will never be able to benefit from renewed infrastructure or green energy.  North Dakota needs solar as much as Kentucky.